[IsLNdbOi]

I am intrigued. Can anyone confirm that this phone has a camera? The info page says it does, but I don't see where it could be. Others claim that's a misprint on the info page. I'm so confused!

See post #18 in this thread.

Anyway, people on PDAPhoneHome forums and PocketPCThoughts forums are 100% sure that the 830W does not have a camera or a 256,000 color screen. Screen color is only 56,000 and bluetooth version is only 1.1.

[porcaccio]

Hopefully I will know tomorrow. I will report after I get it. If it sucks, 700wx here i come.

[IsLNdbOi]

Are there any WM apps. that can scan the device's hardware and tell you what bluetooth version it has and what the actual screen depth is? If it doesn't have a 256,000 colors screen (like Sprint's site says it does) and if it doesn't have a camera (again, like Sprint's site says it does) then I'm keeping my 700WX and returning the 830W.

[porcaccio]

I'm not sure that your needs are the same as mine. The main reason for me to get the IP-830w is so that when i travel in europe, i don't have to switch phones. I carry a T-Mobile Nokia E70 (import) just for those occasions.

The bigger screen is a plus for me. I had a PPC 6700 and miss the screen, compared to the 700wx that I am using now.

I moved from the 6700 because i didn't like two handed typing. I want to see if it will work one handed for me.

Finally, Palm invested in USABILITY, which Microsoft has NO clue about. The main reason most people still love their 700p is because WM5 is still too complex to do what people need. Maybe when apple releases the iphone they will get a taste of that good UI means.

In the meanwhile, there is a reason Nokia's Symbian is run on most handsets in the world. It's simple and powerful and stable.

Ok, enough complaining. I hope that the Samsung does the trick. I saw one last weekend and am at least intrigued. I have 30 days to decide if to keep it or send it back for another Treo.

I am also considering waiting for Rev A hardware, but there is no mention about new devices and I, for one, am putting up a huge middle finger to UT Starcom. Anyone trusting their money to one of their devices must either be rich or foolish, as they couldn't care about their customers at all.

[oalvarez]

I'm not sure that your needs are the same as mine. The main reason for me to get the IP-830w is so that when i travel in europe, i don't have to switch phones. I carry a T-Mobile Nokia E70 (import) just for those occasions.

I moved from the 6700 because i didn't like two handed typing. I want to see if it will work one handed for me.

Finally, Palm invested in USABILITY, which Microsoft has NO clue about. The main reason most people still love their 700p is because WM5 is still too complex to do what people need. .

if the 830 is anything like the 730, good luck using it one-handed while typing. if you use a pc or a mac at home, wm5 shouldn't be "too complex" for you or any other.

[Big Tone]

See post #18 in this thread.

Anyway, people on PDAPhoneHome forums and PocketPCThoughts forums are 100% sure that the 830W does not have a camera or a 256,000 color screen. Screen color is only 56,000 and bluetooth version is only 1.1.

I wonder where this info is coming from. I don't doubt that it doesn't have a camera, but to only have BT 1.1 doesn't sound right. I was on phonescoop last night and looked up the phone under Sprint and it just linked the Verizon version's info. Windows Mobile 2003 SE and all. I sincerely hope the only upgrade on this phone isn't just WM5. I'd still put some serious thought into buying it, though.

[IsLNdbOi]

Ok, Sprint removed it from their consumer / personal site. It's now on the business site. They also fixed some of their info.. Screen depth is now shown as 65000 colors instead of 256000 colors and it doesn't mention a camera anymore. If this thing doesn't have at least bluetooth 1.2 it's going right back to Sprint.

[Big Tone]

As soon as one of you fargin iceholes gets your i830 I want you to post the specs! Sounds like the wx might be the better buy. Somanomboch!

[IsLNdbOi]

Ok. Played with it for a couple of minutes so far. The screen is very nice. Depth is ~65000 colors just like the Treo. You can voice dial with bluetooth headsets. It comes with Pocket Internet Explorer AND Picsel Browser!

It has enhanced IR and comes with a built in TV Remote Control Program. No camera, but that's not that big of a deal with me. Not sure what version the bluetooth is, BUT it did take only half the time my 700WX takes to sync all my contacts.

[IsLNdbOi]

One handed use is much like the Treo except that the Windows button is on the main keyboard so you have to slide that up or re-assign one of the other keys as the Windows button (if you use the Windows button alot).

I think I'm gonna keep it and return my 700WX.

[IsLNdbOi]

Oh, if you open a program or something comes up that requires keyboard input and the keyboard isn't slid open, it automatically opens the soft keyboard or whatever you setup as the default on-screen input method.

[IsLNdbOi]

This may be a big thing for some of you, but the IP-830W does not have a hardware silencer. Doesn't bother me as the Treos were the first phones I had used that had a hardware silence switch.

[porcaccio]

sorry for the stupid question, but what does a hardware silencer do?

[IsLNdbOi]

It's a switch at the top of the Treo next to the SD card slot. Switch it off and it mutes your Treo. Switch it on and your Treo can make sounds again.

[Big Tone]

Ok, Sprint removed it from their consumer / personal site. It's now on the business site. They also fixed some of their info.. Screen depth is now shown as 65000 colors instead of 256000 colors and it doesn't mention a camera anymore. If this thing doesn't have at least bluetooth 1.2 it's going right back to Sprint.

I just checked and it's still on the consumer site with the same info. There is a page on the business site, too. How are you liking it after the first full day of use?

[IsLNdbOi]

I like it alot. The only thing I miss is holding down a button to bring up the memory management screen to kill individual running programs. I guess that was one of Palm's tweaks to WM5?

Oh and there don't seem to be very many nice cases for this device. This is probably gonna be my first device I haven't used some type of form fitting case on. But hey, I guess that's why I have that insurance from Sprint. ;)

[Ehsan#WP]

It says Worldphone with all GSM networks covered (international only). What this means appears to be is person cant use this in USA (IS that right?). How do they block if we want to use tmobile or cingular SIM card if above statement is true?

[IsLNdbOi]

You can't use it in the USA anyway. It has a GSM 900 / 1800. USA uses GSM 850 / 1900.

[Ehsan#WP]

You can't use it in the USA anyway. It has a GSM 900 / 1800. USA uses GSM 850 / 1900.

That answers my question :) . Clever sprint.

[Ehsan#WP]

With this fast processor, can u comment on battery life?? How is the overall experience? Is it fast?

[oalvarez]

I like it alot. The only thing I miss is holding down a button to bring up the memory management screen to kill individual running programs. I guess that was one of Palm's tweaks to WM5?

Oh and there don't seem to be very many nice cases for this device. This is probably gonna be my first device I haven't used some type of form fitting case on. But hey, I guess that's why I have that insurance from Sprint. ;)

does a case make a phone?

holy moly.......

[IsLNdbOi]

does a case make a phone?

holy moly.......

Huh? Seems like you're over reacting to what I said. Did I say something to make you think that, that's what I think? I was just simply saying to those that might be interested in this phone, that there aren't very many cases for it and that this is my first phone / pda I'll be carrying around without some kind of protective case.

[IsLNdbOi]

With this fast processor, can u comment on battery life?? How is the overall experience? Is it fast?

Yes, it's much faster than my 700WX. It doesn't lag a bit when I play music and do something else (play games, internet, etc.). Movies play very smoothly and processor intensive apps. don't lag.

I've gone a day and then some without having to charge the battery (I currently use the slim / standard battery). I haven't used the extended life battery yet, but I imagine that battery life with that will be excellent.

Moving from the 700WX (240x240) to this unit (240x320) was like moving from my old CLIE SJ33 (320x320) to the CLIE TH55 (320x480). I'm loving the extra real estate.

[oalvarez]

how's that slideout keyboard treating you? have you chosen a screen protector yet? that device sounds awesome with its 240x320 config....so cool! awesome device!

[IsLNdbOi]

The slide out keyboard is very nice. I have access to the keyboard when I need it and when I don't need it, I slide it away / back up behind the screen. The sliding mechanism is pretty sturdy and I don't see it getting loose anytime soon. If it does get loose, there's probably some screws or parts you can access to tighten the slider, just like any / most other Samsung sliders. I'm using BoxWave Cleartouch for the Samsung i730. The i730 is Verizon's earlier version of their i830 which is the equivalent to Sprint's IP-830W.

I just have to say it again, moving from the 700WX to the IP-830W was as dramatic as moving from my CLIE SJ33 to the CLIE TH55 regarding screen size and performance. Oh and available memory for running programs after hard resetting the IP-830W or on a fresh from the box IP-830W is equal to that of a hard resetted / fresh from the box 700WX.