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  1. bsayegh's Avatar
    Who is abandoning their Band for the Apple watch or like me who tried for months to get a band and finally said the heck with them and ordered the Watch.
    My technology motto is that I will never, ever have more than 2 devices on me at any given time that do the same thing. I have a laptop and a phone. Some people have a tablet and a phone. You may have 3 different devices at your house that are capable of similar things. But nobody will EVER need or even benefit from having 3 devices on them at any given time that do the same thing.

    Having a watch that shows me my texts and lets me do the things that my phone does, but on a much smaller screen with an uglier UI will never benefit me. I get that some people just need to have the latest tech, but smart watches are something that tech companies are trying to force on people because they have so thoroughly milked the smartphone and tablet market. There isn't much else they can do that is practical other than cram better specs in to the devices. Watches are silly. They provide the user with the same "wow" novelty factor that Siri did the first time people used it. Now how many people actually use Siri for anything?

    Also I used your question to rant about watches. I apologize for that =)
    04-20-2015 10:55 AM
  2. Stiv X's Avatar
    Apple watch currently has no independent apps. It has to be tethered to an iPhone. Without an iPhone, the Apple Watch is useless currently. The Apple Watch it NOT compatible with Windows or Android. So, why are we talking about this here? This thread is an iMore topic.
    04-20-2015 11:06 AM
  3. gadgetrants's Avatar
    I joked earlier in this thread that the OP (the post, I mean) was a bit trollish. Certainly the thread title had a strong spin to it. But I'm really impressed that the conversation has been pretty civil (OK, mostly civil) and respect for diverse views has more or less been the tone.

    Anyway, my two cents on the issue of "smartwatches"...I kinda agree that having a device on your wrist that duplicates many of the things your phone does is not very efficient. I confess that I predicted that the Google Glass project (wearable computing) was the next logical step, so I'm puzzled that it has fallen flat. Then again, the original Android G1 was kind of an underground success. But it took the iPhone to transform the industry and make smartphones a household word. So maybe Google has it right, but the timing is not quite right yet for something like Glass.

    But I *do* think that the thing in your pocket and the thing on your wrist *will* converge into one device, say, in the next 5 years. I am also very much convinced that "smart" means two things. First, I think it means "delivers content" in the sense of images, video, text, phone calls, etc. But I also think that if you're wearing that smart device, it should also naturally be keeping track of things like heart rate, daily activity, sleep patterns, etc. In other words, it should not only integrate into your daily information-consumption and communication habits, but also keep an eye on you more holistically, that is, it should follow your daily pattern of activity and point you in the right direction health-wise.

    All that being said, both the Band and the Apple Watch are in an embryonic stage. I suspect that compared to whatever wearables look like 10 years from now, both of these babies will seem like final projects from first-year art and design students. They're just the first step. Equally interesting, and definitely not worth bickering over!

    -Matt
    Last edited by gadgetrants; 04-21-2015 at 08:40 AM.
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    04-20-2015 11:26 AM
  4. mkg3's Avatar
    First and foremost, disclosure that I have switched from Windows PC to Mac OS X 10 years ago and never looked back. I do have Win7 installed on my Mac to be compatible with some clients for work but its via virtualization.

    Additionally, after struggling with various vendors' wifi networking gear, including range extender at home (read: I don't have an IT personnel to make sure its working at my house, and I am not an IT person), I changed all network gear to Apple's. In all, we are all Apple house, including iPhone, iPad, Macs and AppleTV, not to mention fair amount of AAPL stocks.

    We are all Apple house because it requires no IT expertise and it simply works by plugging in. Reliability is near 100% and it all works together without any complications. Could I have gotten PC equivalents for less cost - yes. Would I have struggled and get frustrated by it- yes and have been there. We were all PC house 10 years ago (Dell, HP and then IBM desktop and laptops using XP, and countless networking gear from all the usual vendors). So its not all marketing and branding as some would suggest. Those who do, probably have not experienced Apple ecosystem or that they are proficient in IT and they are willing to work with it to make it operable.

    I do own and like Band and have no intent to change to Apple Watch - at least not now. My reason is simple. I just like regular watch better and not ready to replace it. So I wear watch on my left and Band on right.

    With that said...

    Who is abandoning their Band for the Apple watch or like me who tried for months to get a band and finally said the heck with them and ordered the Watch.
    Abandoning is probably the wrong word choice here. Who is changing to, for whatever reason...


    So you're willing to spend $200 more for a name? It's completely locked down (as is the entire Apple ecosystem), has a shorter battery life and early models are very glitchy? .......Either they have a very good advertising department or people are just that naive and stupid.
    I hope I'm not that naive or stupid but perhaps I am. I rather not spend the time working to connect and make all the other devices trying to work together. I rather pay more to have things work out of the box and stay working than having to make it work all the time, like I've done in the past.

    As for $200 more for AW, actually, I would get the large stainless steel version with Milanese bracelet so it would be about $750 or $550 more. But I'm not buying AW because its bit too ugly for my taste.


    If Apple products were really as good as their marketing we'd have a real problem ;)
    Why? Do you not like good things???


    ........Whilst both devices are wearable, the Apple watch is a fashion item, whose functionality includes a watch, amongst other things and cannot function without an iPhone. The Band is first and foremost a fitness product, designed to work cross-platform and connect to Microsoft's Health platform, with or without a Windows Phone or indeed, any phone.................and I'd most likely keep my watch on too.
    Apple would disagree with your statement. They have hired and is focused on medical experts to work on AW. Their iOS Healthkit app is far further along than MS Health. Take a look and come to your own conclusions.

    As for not being able to do anything without iPh, not true. ApplePay, music, health monitoring and so on all work without having iPh present. Yes it requires iPhone to be fully functional and use other features, as well as collect data but its not required that you carry your phone with you all the time.

    I'd looked into it for my wife (she actually likes it) but she uses her work-provided BB phone and does not want to carry 2 phones (I totally agree).

    As for being a fashion item, isn't everything we wear have some fashion aspect to it...

    Apple watch currently has no independent apps. It has to be tethered to an iPhone. Without an iPhone, the Apple Watch is useless currently. The Apple Watch it NOT compatible with Windows or Android. So, why are we talking about this here? This thread is an iMore topic.
    When it releases on 4/24, its been reported that there are over 1000 independent apps already. Again, it is not useless without out iPh as one would lead you to believe.

    Not intended to be compatible with Win or Android phones - its not their approach. So it probably is a deal breaker without an iPhone.
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    04-20-2015 12:31 PM
  5. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Who is abandoning their Band for the Apple watch
    someone report this heathen D:
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    04-20-2015 12:55 PM
  6. Stiv X's Avatar
    When it releases on 4/24, its been reported that there are over 1000 independent apps already. Again, it is not useless without out iPh as one would lead you to believe.

    Not intended to be compatible with Win or Android phones - its not their approach. So it probably is a deal breaker without an iPhone.
    I don't know about 1000s of apps ready, but I hear they are getting built. Kind of upsetting, too, considering the market share for Apple Watch will be less than WP. Yet, developers are tripping over themselves to make some apps.
    04-20-2015 01:08 PM
  7. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    I think the premise of your question is wrong. Whilst both devices are wearable, the Apple watch is a fashion item, whose functionality includes a watch, amongst other things and cannot function without an iPhone. The Band is first and foremost a fitness product, designed to work cross-platform and connect to Microsoft's Health platform, with or without a Windows Phone or indeed, any phone. Since I already have a watch that I'm happy with, even if I was an Apple aficionado, I couldn't afford to justify getting one to replace my existing watch. However, I'm sure there are plenty of healthy reasons to justify getting a (less expensive) Band and I'd most likely keep my watch on too.
    I don't care that the Apple watch needs to always be connected to my iPhone, I've always got my iPhone on me anyways.

    Though I don't own one, I like the Apple watch because of all the cool apps that it has, and Microsoft today just released One Note for it. I also like the fact that I can make and accept phone calls on the Apple watch, and it gives you notifications by tapping on your wrist. All of the other wearables vibrate.
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    04-20-2015 01:16 PM
  8. jleebiker's Avatar
    People are saying that it is aesthetically pleasing... I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me, it looks like they put the absolute LEAST amount of effort and wrapped it in a VERY plain casing. I mean, seriously, could it lack any MORE definition or character? Some will say it is sublime. I say BORING. That's just me though.
    Last edited by jleebiker; 04-20-2015 at 05:10 PM.
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    04-20-2015 01:26 PM
  9. Olander418's Avatar
    No way! I am never going to get an smart watch!
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    04-20-2015 01:31 PM
  10. bksalt's Avatar
    If you want to impress people [maybe] think it makes you look good and have an expensive toy get the apple watch. If your a person looking for a health tool that can actually do you some good at a reasonable price and your not a I got to impress ever one and look like a million dollars get the Microsoft Band it's as simple as that.
    04-20-2015 01:37 PM
  11. mkg3's Avatar
    Re/Code review - How Does Apple Watch Stack Up as a Health-and-Fitness Tracker?
    Review: Apple Watch for Health and Fitness | Re/code
    04-20-2015 01:38 PM
  12. Stiv X's Avatar
    Re/Code review - How Does Apple Watch Stack Up as a Health-and-Fitness Tracker?
    Review: Apple Watch for Health and Fitness | Re/code
    This ^ is more proof as a fitness watch it is not in the same league as MS Band.
    04-20-2015 02:42 PM
  13. nohra's Avatar
    the apple watch has two glaring problems that I just can't get over, so no I won't be getting one.
    1) you need an iPhone and I don't have one, nor want to spend the money to get that AND a watch
    2) the watch and said iphone are made by Apple
    04-20-2015 03:12 PM
  14. anon(5335899)'s Avatar
    Though I don't own one, I like the Apple watch because of all the cool apps that it has, and Microsoft today just released One Note for it. I also like the fact that I can make and accept phone calls on the Apple watch, and it gives you notifications by tapping on your wrist. All of the other wearables vibrate.
    You can't own an Apple Watch because it's not yet available and it seems it won't be for quite a while.

    What's all the cool apps you talk about, what apps will you be using on the minute screen which will not eat away at the already mediocre battery life (confirmed). And it does not even tell the time without you physically touching it first,

    Tapping on your wrist if just Apple's way of saying it vibrates.. don't you get it? A 'tap' is just a very short vibrate.. Apple just likes to make things sound as if they are unique to their products or special while they really are just like the features found on any other non-Apple device.

    Some ppl are just so gullible..
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    04-20-2015 04:41 PM
  15. badcat's Avatar
    No Crapple watch for me. I'm still wondering what to do with the Fitbit that came bundled with my 830.
    04-20-2015 04:48 PM
  16. Witness's Avatar
    I'm buying one, but hear me out!

    The company is giving me a $150 allowance to buy a "Fitness" monitoring device, so I've ordered the Sport. Tell me you wouldn't buy one for $200. I am still using my Band and the Pebble Steel is collecting dust (anyone wanna buy it off me?). My L920 won't read my SIM card (another thread) so I may as well try out something that better integrates with the iP6.

    Yes it's locked down because Apple's a punk like that and it's overpriced because people will still buy it, but the Watch is pretty usable. I'd love to see a MS Watch release shortly after WP10 comes out. Then I will likely sell my iP6 because it has great resale value and the Watch (if it doesn't get returned first) and finally be back on WP when they come out with some new g-damn flagship phones!
    04-20-2015 04:51 PM
  17. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    I have been one of the many who cut their teeth in computers with Microsoft, and have never moved off the product or felt the need to even look at anything else.
    However I do like a Watch, to have on my wrist for mainly the "What time is it?" freak in me.
    So a wearable Watch has my interest!!!! Mainly the Moto 360, The LG G Watch R, and now the Apple Watch.
    As nice as the Band is, it is first a Health and Fitness device with an ability to keep time. So right off the hop it sits with the Fitbits and others of it's kind. I don't think Watch when I look at the The Band.

    I have also been one of the more vocal people begging and pleading to Microsoft to bring a Watch to market, and to date all I ever hear is....."Have you looked at The Band?"......
    How I have wished and crossed my fingers Microsoft would wake up and just have cobbled something together that looked Watch like and worked with my Lumia 1020, I would have handed over cash to a Microsoft store.

    They have the basics of a design from the Spot watch days, as Microsoft has always been out ahead of the curve for years.

    I don't need to track my sleep, I don't need to count my steps ( as I know I walk miles in my job, just in a small space), so a Microsoft Watch does not need fancy sensors .

    Now what is the biggest disappointment from all of this is Microsoft had a Full year to notice there is a Market for a "Watch" like device. Yes keep working on The Band as it was a huge Hit, but they failed to follow it with a non Health focused device.

    Now before you try to stomp me on this.....Apple on day 1 of Pre Order for it's US market alone did 1 Million pre orders.
    Apple reportedly sold one million Apple Watches in its first day of pre-orders | MobileSyrup.com

    The Band has been a sell out with each release, and they even started to sell in the UK.....with no Ads, based on word of mouth alone it would seem.

    So you have to wonder what would a fully compatible Watch from Microsoft have done? At the very least they should have worked with a Watch maker like Swatch to bring something to market.

    Had they done this, the question the OP has would not even really be asked. However because there is no Microsoft Watch, and Apple is very very good at catching the interest of the masses, the question is valid !!!!!!

    So I am again taking a look at the chance I leave Windows Phone, to go to something I don't want in a Phone to have something I do want, information on my wrist with the ability to keep my phone in my pocket.

    I would like to stay with a full Windows ecosystem, but I am not given the option.....so what option do I have but to give my money to the people who will give me what I want.
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    04-20-2015 06:55 PM
  18. Mr G Reaper's Avatar
    I cant get an apple watch im all out of houses to mortgage lol

    I am (apparently) getting a microsoft fitbit band thing (i say apparently as i have had my phone over a month now and it hasnt arrived)
    04-20-2015 07:50 PM
  19. DroidUser42's Avatar
    Me? Well, let's start with the fact I don't have a iPhone and no real desire to get one. The whole "Jobs knows best" attitude of the line doesn't sit well with me. I also find Apple seems to over-simplify the number of buttons, so you end up with weird combinations to do certain functions. (Tell me, in what universe is a two-finger swipe intuitive? Or a Apple mouse click? At least MS had the good sense to install a second mouse button for you to explore.)

    First, I want a device that can last all day with me. From what I'm hearing, the iWatch sounds like it falls short there. Secondly, I want a device I can look at and know the time - without pushing a button. I'm not sure if the iWatch can do that. Third, the style doesn't speak to me. Frankly it looks like something I might find as a hand-me-down in my mother's jewelry case. And I'm middle aged. Which is to say, it looks dated, not classic.

    Even though I have a band, I'm having a hard time imagining what use I'd have for a bunch of apps on my wrist. Although I say that with some reservation since a lot of people have said that about cell phones, then smart phones and tablets. Sure, I can think of things I'd like to see the Band do, but I'm not seeing the Apple light.

    It's also not cheap.

    And lastly, let's not forget what happened to the first iPad. In a little over two years after it was introduced, it could no longer get OS upgrades. And I'm seeing complaints from users that they can't run newer apps. Such is life on the bleeding edge. I can afford $349, but I can't afford to be throwing it away.

    But the real question for me is how many will buy this? Sure, they blew up the tablet market and the smart phone market. Can they do it again? Will it move beyond the fan boys and catch on with the public? I'm waiting to see. Apple has a great track record, but they're not undefeated. We'll have to see how this turns out.
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    04-20-2015 08:26 PM
  20. hotphil's Avatar
    I can afford $349, but I can't afford to be throwing it away.
    But you wouldn't be throwing it away - you'd be owning the only true tech accessory of the year! I say "of the year" because next year it'll be outdated or the battery will have permanently given up. Or both.
    To be serious though, I think that point you make is indeed where a lot of purchasing decision lines will be drawn.
    In general, I'm sure muggers are going to love the "must have an iPhone in pocket" indicator too.
    I wish Apple well with it though. If they can get the wearables category rolling, that'll be good. But if I meet a Watch owner and they tell me "it's the first smartwatch", I'll probably shake my head and walk away.
    04-20-2015 09:17 PM
  21. DroidUser42's Avatar
    But if I meet a Watch owner and they tell me "it's the first smartwatch", I'll probably shake my head and walk away.
    Just like the iPad was the first tablet. Or the iPod was the first MP3 player.

    Apple may not invent, but they do seem to have a talent with the secret sauce that makes it catch on. The question is, can they do it again?
    04-20-2015 11:13 PM
  22. djeire84's Avatar
    Quick question why would you post in a Windows forum about an Apple product??
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    04-20-2015 11:40 PM
  23. djeire84's Avatar
    Just like the iPad was the first tablet. Or the iPod was the first MP3 player.







    Apple may not invent, but they do seem to have a talent with the secret sauce that makes it catch on. The question is, can they do it again?



    The iPod wasn't the first mp3 player. Creative and microsoft teamed up in the late 90s and made an mp3 player because of lack of marketing it faltered. Also usb (flash drive looking) mp3 players were sold at least two years before the iPod. The only thing the iPod gave was more storage capacity that's all. Creative Zen was an example of an mp3 player.

    Sony Walkman mp3 player.
    Last edited by djeire84; 04-21-2015 at 12:01 AM.
    04-20-2015 11:43 PM
  24. TLRtheory's Avatar
    The iPod wasn't the first mp3 player.
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was part of the joke... seems he was making fun of the people who just think Apple invented everything.
    04-21-2015 01:40 AM
  25. djeire84's Avatar
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was part of the joke... seems he was making fun of the people who just think Apple invented everything.

    Ah I see now lol. Oops haha 😆
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    04-21-2015 01:41 AM
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