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  1. taing's Avatar
    Does it drive other nuts that the keyboard layout for "alt" keys is retarded. The idea that when I alt-lock the backspace and the dot"." are redefined. Just try to quickly use the calculator or enter an IP address.
    07-10-2007 08:49 PM
  2. Scott R's Avatar
    Scott R.

    Maybe you want to look into the HTC Vogue that's rumored to be coming out Q4 for Sprint. Though there is no 3.5" screen, just 2.8".
    As I wrote in another thread, I installed "SPB Full Screen Keyboard" on my Mogul and, despite the too-small 2.8" screen, I think I really prefer it over the Mogul's hard keyboard. For those that may not know, I wrote a virtual thumbboard app for the Palm OS (originally optimized around the Tapwave Zodiac's 3.8" 480x320 screen), so the idea of using a virtual thumbboard isn't new (or distasteful) for me. I was worried that the 2.8" screen would be too small. Well, it's certainly not ideal for an app like that (typos will be more frequent), but I was pleasantly surprised by it (certainly compared to using the Mogul's hard keyboard). If I stick around with the Mogul (or return it and wait for the Vogue), my first order of coding business will be to develop a WM virtual thumbboard app (the SPB app is workable, but lacking in several areas).

    Does anyone have any updates on the ETA for the Vogue? I don't want to have to wait until Q4, but if I'm not going to use the Mogul's hard keyboard, I'd prefer not to have to "pay" for it with the added thickness. Plus, I'm trying to avoid using a stylus as much as possible, and pressing the hard buttons around the Mogul's D-Pad is a bit difficult due to the fact that there are several of them and they're close together. The Vogue seems to clean that up as well.
    07-11-2007 10:26 AM
  3. Godstyle#WP's Avatar
    If you can improve upon the SPB virtual thumbboard app, I'd certainly look at the Vogue myself. Although I am loathe to move away from my Treo.
    07-11-2007 10:52 AM
  4. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Does anyone have any updates on the ETA for the Vogue? I don't want to have to wait until Q4, but if I'm not going to use the Mogul's hard keyboard, I'd prefer not to have to "pay" for it with the added thickness.
    I've heard no Sprint for the Vogue :thumbsdn:. That could change obviously.

    Any reason not to go for the 800w on Sprint? 320x320 resolution should be quite spectacular...
    07-11-2007 04:09 PM
  5. TreoNewt's Avatar
    Here's a list of some apps I put on my Mogul:

    HTC Home (Today screen plug-in from the HTC Touch)
    Calendar+ (Almost a necessity. It's free and it really expands on the built in Calendar. I used this on my 700wx too.)
    Photo Speed Dial
    HTC black theme
    SMS Threaded App
    I have searched but can not find the photo dial touch screen plug-in you seem to be using, can you point me in the right direction?
    07-11-2007 06:07 PM
  6. aznmode's Avatar
    I don't recommend that plug in actually. If you tap to call one of the picture contact, it doesnt change to phone mode. You will still be at the Today screen. The only indication you're connected is on the bottom left of the screen, it would say "call status". If you press the left soft key then you will get the phone screen. I have accidentally called people not knowing I was calling them. You're better off using Contact-ing Pro. It will put the same picture icon on the Today screen but will change screen once you initiate the call. You will have to fork up $15 however but it will work better for you.
    07-12-2007 01:58 PM
  7. aznmode's Avatar
    Also with Contact-ing you can have separate tabs above the photo contacts if you categorize your contacts. ie. Personal, Business, etc. You can create new category also in your Contacts and that will show up as well.
    07-12-2007 02:05 PM
  8. TreoNewt's Avatar
    I found and downloaded the trial version of this application but was not able to make it work - installed three times with no luck.

    The application appears on the launch menu and when I open it, I am able to select my picture contacts (only five though - is this a limit on the "real" program as well?) just fine. My problem is there is no plug-in to select or activate in the Today applet. The program offers a menu that has an option to update the plug-in but can not make it show on the Today screen...am I missing something?

    BTW, thanks for your reply.
    07-12-2007 04:30 PM
  9. TreoNewt's Avatar
    Disregard the previous, seems I actaully downloaded some other stuff and not the one you are referring to. I will try Contact-ing today. Thanks.
    07-12-2007 04:36 PM
  10. bubbatex's Avatar
    I am thinking about a Mogul - I have about 7-8 numbers that I call alot, otherwise, I don't mind looking up someone in contacts with two hands. Does this Contact-ing program allow you to set up multiple contacts to choose with one touch or one D-pad push? If so, how many can you set up?
    07-12-2007 05:05 PM
  11. aznmode's Avatar
    I am thinking about a Mogul - I have about 7-8 numbers that I call alot, otherwise, I don't mind looking up someone in contacts with two hands. Does this Contact-ing program allow you to set up multiple contacts to choose with one touch or one D-pad push? If so, how many can you set up?
    Contact-ing lite and Contact-ing Pro allows you to have as many photo contact you want. You just press the right arrow advance to the right to view the rest of your contacts. You can set it up to view larger icon which allows you to view 5 icon or small icon and view up to 7.
    07-12-2007 05:58 PM
  12. TreoNewt's Avatar
    Installed Contact-ing Lite, is working well... thanks for the lead aznmode.
    07-12-2007 08:11 PM
  13. nsxprime's Avatar
    I am thinking about a Mogul - I have about 7-8 numbers that I call alot, otherwise, I don't mind looking up someone in contacts with two hands. Does this Contact-ing program allow you to set up multiple contacts to choose with one touch or one D-pad push? If so, how many can you set up?
    Why not just install smartskey and use the quick dial option? You can set each D-pad direction to do a certain function: call log, quick dial list, contacts and messaging
    07-12-2007 08:43 PM
  14. aznmode's Avatar
    Installed Contact-ing Lite, is working well... thanks for the lead aznmode.
    np. you might wanna try the pro version. you can categorize some of your contacts and it will separate them by tabs on top of the icons. quick access to your friends, family, etc.
    07-12-2007 10:06 PM
  15. bubbatex's Avatar
    Why not just install smartskey and use the quick dial option? You can set each D-pad direction to do a certain function: call log, quick dial list, contacts and messaging
    OK, that sounds like a plan. Smartskey?? Is that a program?
    07-12-2007 11:24 PM
  16. stroths's Avatar
    OK, that sounds like a plan. Smartskey?? Is that a program?
    It is an app

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=111107
    07-13-2007 05:46 AM
  17. Scott R's Avatar
    I think today is the day that I have to decide whether or not to keep the Mogul. My two weeks are up. Ugh. In terms of overall out-of-the-box and usability experience, I think my Palm OS Treo 700p is a better device for me. But I like the idea of playing around with .NET and creating some apps, and I've seen/used enough 3rd party / hobbyist apps for the Mogul to know that the experience could be improved. I don't like the keyboard and prefer the SPB virtual keyboard, so that means that the added thickness becomes even more irksome. Plus, I found when holding it for a while that it wasn't as comfortable to hold as the 700p due to the latter's more contoured back (the back of the Mogul has "sharper" edges where it meets the sides).

    Overall, I think what I really want (in terms of technology that's available today) is a Vogue. If there was definitive information that it would be coming to Sprint in the next couple of months I'd return the Mogul and wait for that. But there's no solid info, and even some suggestions that it won't be coming to Sprint at all, so where does that leave me? :(
    07-19-2007 11:06 AM
  18. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    If you bought your phone directly from Sprint, you should have 30 days instead of 2 weeks to decide. If you bought thru 3rd party dealer, then you might have 2 weeks with their sales contract.

    I can see how the Treo would be a better fit to many....but I personally would have a very hard time going back to Palm OS...at least until it gets an update. Just for the fact of not being able to truly MultiTask. This has become my daily life of using my phone. i.e. have GPS going, playing MP3 music, while forwarding on an email after I opened and edited the spreadsheet in ClearVue Spreadsheet, and all the while still know that my GPS is keeping track of where my fellow DM is driving. All along having multiple BT devices...my BT headset, BT mouse, BT Keyboard (great while someone else is driving with the phone in it's windshield holder and I need to type an email), BT GPS.

    As always concerns with keyboard form factor and layout is nothing more than personal preference (unless the keyboard actually falls off). I personally found the keyboard on my Mogul to be very comfortable. And this was a concern I was seriously wonder if I would have before I bought the phone. But I like the feel of it, the way it sits in my hands when extended, and the room that it offers (aka nice sized keys).

    I certainly would not automatically recommend the Mogul to any user, just like I would never automatically offer any phone to everyone. I would ask what they want to do with it. If all they want is web, phone, and MP3 and nothing more I would tell them to check out the iPhone. If they have business needs, then I would recommend either the windows based Treo or the Mogul depending on their personal preference on form factor.

    I myself after 4 days I am very happy with my Mogul. I wish they put in 128 mb of memory, but I do have 20+ mb of ram after all plugins and OS are loaded so it has not been an issue yet and I have tried to push it to test it. Other than that, there is little doubt I am destined to have a great relationship with my new found friend.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 07-19-2007 at 01:11 PM.
    07-19-2007 12:58 PM
  19. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    There has been some concerns expressed in this thread about WM not being user friendly or wanting it more one handed friendly. A lot of these concerns are there simply because many people who may have had limited experience with WM phones don't realize what is really available out of the box and what tools you can add to help a great deal. This thread is older now, but still has some great tips and tricks that might help:

    WM Easy of Use / One Hand Tips Thread
    07-19-2007 01:17 PM
  20. Scott R's Avatar
    I did buy it directly from Sprint. How can I confirm how much time I have to decide whether to keep it or return it? Do I need to call them or is there somewhere on the website that I can see it in writing? FWIW, I got an "upgrade" price ($399) by re-upping for 2 years, in case that has any impact on the length of my trial period.

    I'd love to have another week or two to play with it before deciding for sure.
    07-19-2007 02:06 PM
  21. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    Sprint is 30 days. Call Sprint to verify...either your local store or telesales. They will be able to confirm the exact date you have to return it on.
    07-19-2007 05:17 PM
  22. Scott R's Avatar
    Thanks Hobbes. After reading your post, I did some searches on the the SprintUsers forum and saw mention of 30 days there as well. I remember having 14 days to try out a phone with Verizon a while back and assumed it was about the same. Good news.

    PS - Please let us know if you hear any news about a Sprint release date for the Vogue or a 320x320 WM Treo.
    07-19-2007 06:45 PM
  23. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    I haven't heard anything but the rumors that have already been posted from the net.....if I get any inside scoop I will post it.
    07-19-2007 07:16 PM
  24. bubbatex's Avatar
    I haven't heard anything but the rumors that have already been posted from the net.....if I get any inside scoop I will post it.
    Like this?

    http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/0...-fcc-approval/
    07-19-2007 07:34 PM
  25. Scott R's Avatar
    bubbatex, FCC approval does not guarantee that a phone will be released by a US carrier. And if it was to be released, it's possible that it could be released on Verizon only. The Vogue is appealing to me, but it's not appealing enough for me to leave Sprint for.

    I've said it before, though (probably in this thread)...the Vogue is nice but I really want more than that in this day and age (and with the iPhone as competition). Specifically, I'd like to see a variation of the Vogue with a 3.5" or so screen and a resolution of 640x480 or higher. 320x240 is looking rather low-res these days, especially now that the iPhone is out.
    07-19-2007 08:49 PM
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