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  1. Schwartz's Avatar
    I'm sorely tempted by the Mogul, esp since adding a SERO plan ($30) costs the same as adding T-Mobile's data plan. I haven't had time to make it down to the store, could someone please post a picture of a Mogul next to a Treo (650,700 series)?? i would greatly appreciate it. In my mind it seems large though the specs indicate its smaller than a Treo.

    thanks
    07-31-2007 11:14 AM
  2. bubbatex's Avatar
    I'm sorely tempted by the Mogul, esp since adding a SERO plan ($30) costs the same as adding T-Mobile's data plan. I haven't had time to make it down to the store, could someone please post a picture of a Mogul next to a Treo (650,700 series)?? i would greatly appreciate it. In my mind it seems large though the specs indicate its smaller than a Treo.

    thanks
    Picts here:

    http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/HTC-Mogul.htm
    07-31-2007 09:38 PM
  3. Schwartz's Avatar
    Thanks for the link. I went to the Sprint store to check it out today but it was chained and bolted to the display stand with a huge steel frame. When I asked to see it unencumbered he handed me a PPC-6700. I had to explain to him that the Mogul was a new model and different from the 6700. Then he said he couldn't take out the steel contraption. He also had no idea what EvDO or wireless data was. This was in a Sprint Corporate store. Yikes, I guess I've been spoiled by T-Mobile.

    Anyway, would anyone care to comment about the voice quality / volume? I have a Treo 650 and the volume is abysmal even with VolumeCare. I utterly despise it as a phone. I read some complaints on ppcgeeks about low earpiece volume on the Mogul. They also claimed the speakerphone was next to useless and that bluetooth was broken. Any truth to that?
    08-01-2007 07:46 PM
  4. aznmode's Avatar
    Coming for a 700p with Volumecare, it definitely doesnt compare. But the Mogul earpiece is adequate. Unless I'm in a club or bar then I have a harder time hearing people but everywhere else is great. No problem while driving even though my car produces alot of road noise. After about a month and a half of owning it my ear have adjusted. sometimes i think its too loud. The speaker is loud enough as well. It isn't as loud as the Treo and if you put too much bass when listening to music it crackles. My treo with volume care was very loud in this department. but rarely do i even need to use the speaker phone that loud unless im playing music.

    There have been reports of BT issue and I do experience it from time to time where callers would keep asking me to repeat. It doesnt happen all the time though. There is supposedly a minor fix if you paired your BT 20 to 40 feet away from the phone to get a better channel. I've never tried it.
    08-01-2007 08:04 PM
  5. nsxprime's Avatar
    Anyway, would anyone care to comment about the voice quality / volume? I have a Treo 650 and the volume is abysmal even with VolumeCare. I utterly despise it as a phone. I read some complaints on ppcgeeks about low earpiece volume on the Mogul. They also claimed the speakerphone was next to useless and that bluetooth was broken. Any truth to that?
    Stay away from the Mogul then. Everything that you read is true. The earpiece is soft, the speakerphone is weak and the BT doesn't work reliably. Sprint and HTC know about the BT problems but the other two you'll probably have to live with.
    08-02-2007 02:46 AM
  6. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    Anyway, would anyone care to comment about the voice quality / volume? I have a Treo 650 and the volume is abysmal even with VolumeCare. I utterly despise it as a phone. I read some complaints on ppcgeeks about low earpiece volume on the Mogul. They also claimed the speakerphone was next to useless and that bluetooth was broken. Any truth to that?
    Here is what said earlier in this thread:

    The phone itself.......I cannot honestly say the sound quality is the best, nor certainly is it the worst that I have experienced. The speaker phone is certainly more tinny sounding than my 6600 and not quite as loud. My 6600 certainly was louder in the earpiece as well. Just like my 6600, I can talk in a really noisy enviroment, but have to strain to hear and sometimes have to repeat to be understood. I think it is a matter of doing too good of a job picking up the background noise along with my voice.
    SPEAKER: My speaker is loud enough that I always keep my system sounds at around 50% or 60%. Besides not sounding as full range, the volume on my speakerphone is very adequate. I was training a fellow District Manager this last week and had to use my speakerphone for several conference calls. It may not have raised the bar above any other phone I have had, but it did everything I could want or expect.

    RINGING: As far as ring volume, I have had phones that have been louder and some that have not. I use my own personalized ringtones that I have made louder which certainly helps. Because the speaker on the Mogul is not as full range sounding as others, like my 6600, I had to reduce some the volumes of the ringer sound files to make sure it did not sound distorted on the Mogul. If you are interested in making louder ringtones this thread might help:


    EARPIECE: As far as volume while talking on the phone, again I have other phones that have been louder, but unless I am in a really noisy enviroment, I have never had an issue of being able to hear anyone. It does have "feature" that makes you hear a little bit of your voice in the earpiece as you use the actual phone to talk. This is suppose to help you not talk too loud during conversations. I found it very odd at first, but didn't even really notice after a few days. Truthfully I use my Jabra 8010 BT headset about 80% of the time without and concerns, so I only use the phone earpiece 10-20% of the time anyways.

    I hope this helps.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 08-02-2007 at 03:23 AM.
    08-02-2007 03:10 AM
  7. oalvarez's Avatar
    well, i broke down and purchased a Mogul for the purposes of giving it a try to see if i prefer it to carrying/using the Blackberry Pearl. will most likely have our IT department load Goodlink on it as well but for the time being i'll simply synch it with the desktop at home and work.

    regards
    08-02-2007 05:56 PM
  8. ScandaLeX's Avatar
    This concerns me. Can any other Mogul users comment on this? Thanks.
    I dont have anything negative to say about the Mogul's BT. Its not 100%, but I've used it to talk on the phone with people who only use basic cell phones w/ a BT headset, and more times than I can count, they are the ones sounding like thy're under water.

    My lineup consisted of the Treo 600 > 650 > 700p > 6700 > 6800. I used the 6700 for 5 months before buying the Mogul. I read someone say that the Mogul was cumbersome. IMO, the 6700 was bigger than my bed. There is a HUGE difference in size while holding the Mogul. If I had decided not to keep the Mogul, I dont think I could go back to the 6700 simply because the thing WITHOUT the big fat extended battery is just way too big.

    Yes, I had to do some minor tweaking to my Mogul. The performance is pretty fast. But the battery is horrible. It wont make it throughout an entire day without having to be charged. I plug it in every night, remove it from charger, go to work and by noon, Im down to 60% with only having made one call.

    I live in PhiLLy and couldnt find one Mogul for sale in any of the Sprint stores; but while on vacation in this little town in Kansas, I find TWO of them at one Sprint store. Paid for one of them right then and there, swapped ESN's and was up and running in no time flat.
    Last edited by scandalex; 08-02-2007 at 07:27 PM.
    08-02-2007 07:17 PM
  9. oalvarez's Avatar
    well, i broke down and purchased a Mogul for the purposes of giving it a try to see if i prefer it to carrying/using the Blackberry Pearl. will most likely have our IT department load Goodlink on it as well but for the time being i'll simply synch it with the desktop at home and work.

    regards
    dislikes so far:

    -no automatic screen orientation without opening the keyboard (is this right?)

    -resolution...could be better but it is acceptable (spoiled by the Pearl and iPhone)

    -browser experience (spoiled by the iPhone) but better than Blazer

    -the almost unaccessable scroll bars (i refuse to use a stylus) when wanting to quickly jump to the top/bottom of a page

    -navigating within the user interface and menus...a bit clumsy and busy, requires many button pushes to get to areas ("Settings" is just a button push away on the iPhone and everything is on a single page...i like that)

    -12.76mb ram remaining with only Internet Explorer and Email open in the background....and i still don't have Goodlink installed which eats a lot of memory (always on).....used the camera and had only 10mb left.....ok'd out of the programs and it became slightly hesitant going back to the Today/Home screen

    -lots of buttons, gadgety aspect of it

    -sliding out the keyboard to type....also feels like the sliding mechanism will become loose with time but only time will tell there.


    likes so far:

    -phone/earpiece volume is plenty loud

    -screen brightness is adequate

    -screen size.....much better than a Treo and my Pearl

    -EVDO is nice

    -wifi

    -spacious keyboard...i have no trouble typing on it, but then again, i don't have any real trouble typing on my Pearl (tiny, requires a bit more attention) or iPhone. the typing experience is a very positive one. i like the keyboard layout as well.

    -form factor.....small footprint, not too bulky....more pocketable than a Treo (in my estimation).

    -camera functionality and related options/settings

    -outlook email (attachments)

    -one handedness believe it or not

    -gadgety aspect of it (yep, a dislike as well)

    -bells and whistles...lots of stuff to fiddle with

    -much improved Sprint reception/coverage at my home and place of work



    will continue to add/subtract as i go along......one thing i am absolutely certain of; there is nothing like the user or internet browsing experience that the iPhone offers. the other thing you might note is that i didn't mention 3rd party applications or an open file system because those truly aren't needs/requirements of mine on a WM device (with the exception of Goodlink). again, these are just my opinions and thoughts.



    regards
    Last edited by oalvarez; 08-02-2007 at 09:10 PM.
    08-02-2007 08:51 PM
  10. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    There some easy fixes to some of the concerns you have that might help you out quite a bit.



    dislikes so far:

    -no automatic screen orientation without opening the keyboard (is this right?)
    You can assign any hardbutton to to this. For example if I was going to do this I would personally assign the Comm Manager button to switch orientation.

    -resolution...could be better but it is acceptable (spoiled by the Pearl and iPhone)
    Not much can be done about that.

    -browser experience (spoiled by the iPhone) but better than Blazer
    You need to check out Opra Mini browser. It is fast has a cool zoom feature and takes litterally only a miniscule of a fraction of memory when compared to IE viewing the same page. To get the scoop on it go here:

    opera mini 4 is AMAZINGLY FAST

    -the almost unaccessable scroll bars (i refuse to use a stylus) when wanting to quickly jump to the top/bottom of a page
    You can change the size of the scroll bars to any size you would like:

    Navigate to HKey_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\GWE\ and tweak the following values.
    cyHScr : Horizontal Scrollbars Height in pixels (default is 13)
    cxVScr : Vertical Scrollbars Width in pixels (default is 13)

    -navigating within the user interface and menus...a bit clumsy and busy, requires many button pushes to get to areas ("Settings" is just a button push away on the iPhone and everything is on a single page...i like that)
    The solution to is simply software. That is what makes the iPhone so cool. Over at XDA they are working an bringing over the HTC Touch to the Titan, which will give you a lot of the same navigational benefits of the iPhone. Until then....

    I keep mine looking simple with an overview at a glance and most used contacts and programs only 1 -2 clicks away with my finger (not a stylus). My set up is extremely one handed to call the top 10 people I call the most (which could easily be set up to be twice that). Since making calls and emails are my two vital functions I have picture dialing to make it easy with SBP Shell, easy access to contact search with SBP Contacts, and all my emails always displayed with PocketBreeze......with an overview of them all with SPB Phone Suite.

    With SBP Shell I have a tab with my most common links a finger touch away. I have settings there, fav games, and most used programs.

    I also used Resco File Explorer and manually created some organization to my Program Menu Folders. This is truly a necessity with me with the collection of programs and games I have acquired over the years.

    Here are some screen shots:





    -12.76mb ram remaining with only Internet Explorer and Email open in the background....and i still don't have Goodlink installed which eats a lot of memory (always on).....used the camera and had only 10mb left.....ok'd out of the programs and it became slightly hesitant going back to the Today/Home screen
    For memory hog IE see the Opra Mini link above.

    I agree there should have been no doubt HTC should have but 125 mb or RAM in there. But the only time I have found myself in any danger of running out of memory is with using IE. Memmaid can do a lot to free up mem and manage it. Here is also a good thread on mem management over XDA:

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319580

    -lots of buttons, gadgety aspect of it
    IMHO, I always view having buttons available to map to your most favorite apps as a pro. You can even reg had the soft keys to launch anything you want:

    Create the following keys and Strings in the registry:
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\112
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Today\Keys\113
    112 is the left key and 113 is the right.
    Set Default to what you want the key to read (ie. SMS)
    Now for each key create a new string named Open and set the target path.

    -sliding out the keyboard to type....also feels like the sliding mechanism will become loose with time but only time will tell there.
    So far the general feedback is overwhelmingly positive about the stability of the keyboard. But as you stated only time will tell.




    I hope this helps.
    08-02-2007 09:27 PM
  11. oalvarez's Avatar
    it does help, and i know many of us look to you as the authority on these ppc devices and especially the slideouts.

    thanks very much for taking the time to post the links and the like, much appreciated. i will try and make use out of them.

    as for the device, i can see how it would be just perfect for that someone with real "office" type needs/requirements, HTC did a good job in its design. i'd carry the Mogul (given my needs/wants/desires) over the current Treo lineup all day long.
    08-02-2007 09:57 PM
  12. oalvarez's Avatar
    ok, big time gripe....2+ mb of ram left which has basically rendered PIE useless. here is what is open:

    java
    comm manager
    internet explorer
    email
    camera

    that is what really truly bugs me about the WM operating system. symbian, apple, i'm sure they have their problems, but i yet to experience this type of issue on my own Pearl and iPhone. it's issues such as these that make me want to return the device, tomorrow. and all of this without even having Goodlink running in the background. not right.
    08-02-2007 10:51 PM
  13. nsxprime's Avatar
    ok, big time gripe....2+ mb of ram left which has basically rendered PIE useless. here is what is open:

    java
    comm manager
    internet explorer
    email
    camera

    that is what really truly bugs me about the WM operating system. symbian, apple, i'm sure they have their problems, but i yet to experience this type of issue on my own Pearl and iPhone. it's issues such as these that make me want to return the device, tomorrow. and all of this without even having Goodlink running in the background. not right.
    HTC went cheap on the memory and we're paying the price.
    08-03-2007 12:20 AM
  14. ScandaLeX's Avatar
    BT is terrible. RAM is pathetic. Screen is pretty. Overall a sluggish device.

    I returned it after 18 days. Have an iPhone now. Very happy. Not trolling, just stating my Mogul experience. WM6 seems to be a skin, not the OS overhaul we wanted. Issues still very apparent.
    If Sprint had the iPhone, I would have jumped on it. Im not considering any other carrier because I dont see them giving me all that I have now with my plan for the same price.
    08-03-2007 03:20 AM
  15. ScandaLeX's Avatar
    Excellent!!!

    I have tried several Motorola BT headsets - mostly with Treo 700p - found those to have more problems connecting with the phone and the earpiece volume for me was way too low. The last two I tried if I recall were the H300, H500 and the H700.

    The headset I currently use is the Jabra BT250v, does anyone has experience with the BT500?
    Im currently using the BT250V. I've noticed that I have to wear it on my left side. I had the thing in my right ear and couldnt hear over the static. I tried a coworkers BT500 and although I wasnt doing any moving around at the time, I can say that the sound (on both sides) was crystal.

    I've held off on buying the BT500 because I do prefer the vibrate of the 250V. The BT500V seems to only be available through online retailers. Its the only one that I've come across that has 12 hr talk time and 300 hrs standby. I would like to try the 500V, but I want to be able to walk into a store and buy it, and if I doesnt meet my needs, return it instead of going through the hassle of returning something that was purchased online.

    Its my understanding that the BT5020 is the 500V successor, but I havent come across any reviews of this headset used with the Mogul; then again, I havent really had a lot of time to look.
    08-03-2007 04:49 AM
  16. G-funkster's Avatar
    that is what really truly bugs me about the WM operating system.
    ahem, Treo 700wx, ram issue: virtually non-existent.

    Not saying it's a *huge* problem, you can certainly manage it better (why do you have Camera/java/IE open at once.. live within your means, man!) but don't generalize this to be a Windows Mobile issue. Had HTC delivered on the original 96MB spec, this wouldn't be a concern.
    08-03-2007 08:03 AM
  17. oalvarez's Avatar
    why does a consumer have those applications open? maybe because he/she may have wanted them open. does each owner of a WM device have to know to go back to the memory settings menu to "stop all" apps that are still running? doesn't work for me....

    "don't generalize this to be a WM issue?" i can see the hanging heads now...

    don't generalize anything is the lesson (ever read Surur's iphone thread?)

    enjoy what works for you.
    Last edited by oalvarez; 08-04-2007 at 08:05 AM.
    08-03-2007 11:54 PM
  18. Schwartz's Avatar
    I believe Microsoft removed the ability to close apps sometime in the PocketPC 2000 timeframe so as to be more like PalmOS - where you just switch to another app. They were getting smacked in the marketplace by Palm and took a page from Palm's book. Unfortunately, while it works fine for single-threaded PalmOS, in a multi-tasking OS like WinCE it creates other problems. Adding more RAM will decrease battery life since DRAM needs to be constantly refreshed. I think ultimately the solution will be to utilize NOR flash which has faster reads than standard NAND flash, and also has the ability to XIP (Execute in Place). NOR flash takes no power when idle either so it is as power efficient as NAND. Only problem is the price. Its several times as expensive as NAND right now. I believe an Intel subsidiary - Strataflash - is working on that.
    08-04-2007 06:23 AM
  19. Schwartz's Avatar
    Ok I did it. I ordered the Mogul. Can't wait for it to arrive. I can't believe how much software there is for WM. Way more up-to-date apps than PalmOS. Spent hours browsing www.freewareppc.com last night.
    08-04-2007 11:16 AM
  20. ScandaLeX's Avatar
    Ok I did it. I ordered the Mogul. Can't wait for it to arrive. I can't believe how much software there is for WM. Way more up-to-date apps than PalmOS. Spent hours browsing www.freewareppc.com last night.

    Hey Schwartz, was (www.freewareppc) the deciding factor for you taking the plunge?
    08-04-2007 11:41 AM
  21. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    ahem, Treo 700wx, ram issue: virtually non-existent.
    That is probably because it does not have WM6. Some over at XDA are speculating that WM6 caches some parts of a program after launching it so it will load faster the next time. At them moment they don't know how to turn this off, if this is even what is happening.
    08-04-2007 12:07 PM
  22. bubbatex's Avatar
    Ok I did it. I ordered the Mogul. Can't wait for it to arrive. I can't believe how much software there is for WM. Way more up-to-date apps than PalmOS. Spent hours browsing www.freewareppc.com last night.
    While I am certainly no expert (I only have a Q), be careful in getting excited about all of that freeware. It is just like the Palm stuff - half of it is probably crap that will crash your device. And the other half will conflict with something else! ;)

    As usual, stick with the tried and true programs - and go easy on the installs.
    08-04-2007 12:22 PM
  23. oalvarez's Avatar
    update: took the phone off of the charger at around 6am today. paired it with my Blackberry Pearl in hopes of trying to transfer my address book which ended up not working. anyhow, i left bluetooth on and the device is set to check for email every 1 hour i believe. at 2:45pm the battery had worked its way down to 40%.

    does that sound about right in terms of battery usage? i figure another 6 hours and it's down to zero, so lets say 14 hours of battery life without being charged. i'm afraid though that if Goodlink were running (during a normal work day) that the battery life wouldn't last past 12pm given that i really haven't even used the Mogul today.......hmmmmm
    08-04-2007 04:46 PM
  24. nsxprime's Avatar
    Yes, the battery bites the big one.
    08-05-2007 12:54 AM
  25. HobbesIsReal#WP's Avatar
    does that sound about right in terms of battery usage?
    I can cause a huge battery life difference in my own personal usage. For example if turn off the push email, keep my screen lower than 100% bright, turn off BT, don't have apps always updating themselves creating data calls, talk about 30 minutes a day.....I can go at least nearly 2 days without much challenge.

    But when I do all those things listed above plus send a ton of emails, SMS, along with BT stereo MP3 listening, talk an extra 2 hours, a little Wifi, etc...I could be down to only 5 hours or so.

    The battery life may not be break any world records, but it is within expectations for what I do with it. Since I use immediate push email all day with BT on nearly the whole time, it will make it through the whole day without an problem (maybe a little topping off during the car drive to lunch and back doesn't hurt with that either). The thing I have noticed is that the stock battery seems to charge slower than most of my other PDA phones.

    As with any of my PDA phones that I have ever owned, I always get an extended battery (hoping for an OEM sized one...I may try the Seidio one), usually get an extra reg battery, make sure I have a travel charger with me when on the road, top it off while in the car and with a cradle at my office or home, ect....I have done this with every phone since my Treo 600...mainly because I tend to use mine more that the average user. In fact with my PPC-6600 I ended up with an extended battery and 3 OEMs.
    08-05-2007 01:57 AM
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