If Apollo...

[iAdrian23]

...won't support current devices because of the hardware (not having 1GB Ram, dual-core or w/e) then please tell me how is going Microsoft to put Apollo on low-end devices if the requirment has changed o__o?

One more thing. Why they are keep saying current apps will run on Apollo? Do they mean Apollo apps won't run in Mango/Tango ._.?

I, for example I'm very confused and I might changing my mind of buying the Lumia once they will release the international version.

Please disccus, thanks!

 

[pikacz]

no, the rumor said that Apollo won't run on any current WP device. this would mean that the manufacturers would have to release new "better" phones until Q4 this year when Apollo is due to come out. to me this is simply absolutely impossible, the Titan II and Lumia 900 just came out for god's sake. as for the apps, MS is known for it's great backward app compatibility so i wouldn't worry about that

 

[HeyCori]

Please disccus, thanks!

Only if you promise to post in one of the numerous Apollo threads currently circulating this forum.










I swear, 'apollo' should go on the banned words list.

 

[1jaxstate1]

You're just going to open another bag of people stating opinion as fact. No one knows the plans for Apollo, besides MS. And they haven't let the cat out the bag yet.

What features in Apollo are you looking for that have you wanting it so bad? The Lumia is a great phone, go for it.

 

[iAdrian23]

You're just going to open another bag of people stating opinion as fact. No one knows the plans for Apollo, besides MS. And they haven't let the cat out the bag yet.

What features in Apollo are you looking for that have you wanting it so bad? The Lumia is a great phone, go for it.

Better multi-tasking, skype integration, more customization would be my main wish-features.

Multi-tasking - To be honest, 5 apps is not enough to me and the fact that I cannot close them without going in them sucks even more

Skype Integration - The current Skype application is not that great but I have big hopes for the upcoming updates, but I think Microsoft is going to merge Windows Messenger Live with Skype, and integrate it in WP8/Apollo.

Customization - More accents are always welcomes (well my friends are always saying "Why you want this phone? It doesn't have a home screen...")

Thanks for you all. And the reason I made another thread is because I wanted to discuss about something else.

Where will be the low-end devices with Apollo... :dry

 

[mparker]

...won't support current devices because of the hardware (not having 1GB Ram, dual-core or w/e) then please tell me how is going Microsoft to put Apollo on low-end devices if the requirment has changed o__o?

Well, we don't actually *know* that WP8 won't be supported on current devices. But if it isn't, there are multiple potential reasons why this could happen. Memory is one, lack of interest by manufacturers in rewriting the drivers for legacy devices is another. And finally there's simple economic interest of the carriers and manufacturers - even if they could write those drivers, would they bother since it won't get them any additional revenue?

If memory is where the real problem lies, then I'd expect WP7 to be sold concurrently with WP8, with WP7 Tango targeting the budget market and WP8 targeting the high-end market. If it's simply a matter of drivers and WP8 is perfectly capable of running on 128Mb and 256Mb devices, then it's possible that we may new see Lumia 400's, 500s, and 600's running WP8, with the 700,800, and 900 lines getting upgrades but legacy HTC and Samsung devices left behind. Samsung in particular has a history of this - the Galaxy S phones were being released until shortly before ICS came out (the Nexus S is a Galaxy S phone), and the Samsung-branded Galaxy S phones won't be getting ICS while the google-branded Nexus S has.

One more thing. Why they are keep saying current apps will run on Apollo? Do they mean Apollo apps won't run in Mango/Tango ._.?

It's possible that native Apollo apps will be based on the WinRT framework that they've announced for Windows 8, which is a cross-platform framework that allows the same app to run on both a mouse-based desktop and touch-based tablet, on x86 and ARM processors. Microsoft hasn't announced this, but since the other Win8 systems are using this it seems possible that a Win8-based WP8 would too. In which case sucn apps are very unlikely to ever run on Mango/Tango since these OSs lack WinRT support. But it appears that Microsoft has made sure that the WP8 phones do support the Silverlight-based framework that is used for current WP7 phones, and that it is compatible enough to run pretty much all of the WP7 apps. Microsoft is testing these in an automated environment so there may well be some glitchy apps when WP8 finally ships, but things should be generally solid.

 

[Gungzwei]

Multi-tasking - To be honest, 5 apps is not enough to me and the fact that I cannot close them without going in them sucks even more

If 5 apps isn't enough, why would you need to close them? And very few apps that I've seen have an option to close them from within the app. WP just manages it really well. It's rare that I have to reboot the phone.

Customization - More accents are always welcomes (well my friends are always saying "Why you want this phone? It doesn't have a home screen...")

That doesn't make any sense. The home screen is the one with the live tiles.

Where will be the low-end devices with Apollo... :dry

Windows Phone 8 will most likely have different compilations for different levels of hardware. Just like Windows 8 will have Windows RT for ARM processors.

 

[canesfan625]

we need to start a managed thread to clear up issues. Everyone rambling on about Apollo requiring this and that and then comparing it to windows 8.

At present there isn't much to indicate an increase in requirements. All the things people are trying to pass off as a requirement are just things Apollo brings support for. Its like saying Windows has higher requirements because they added support for more cores and larger amounts of ram but the reality is that windows has become more and more efficient across old hardware.

 

[iAdrian23]

Thanks for everyone answering my questions .

@Canesfan625, someone should make a new thread and update it with Q&A so people can know before posting over and over again the answer to their question.

 

[Exomondo]

...won't support current devices because of the hardware (not having 1GB Ram, dual-core or w/e) then please tell me how is going Microsoft to put Apollo on low-end devices if the requirment has changed o__o?

It's not necessarily that, it's probably more that the Windows 8 kernel (which will also be used for Windows Phone 8) would require ARM CPU extensions not available in current hardware. This is why Windows RT (or Windows on ARM or WoA or whatever) will only be sold on the device and not as a separate software package, because there is just no commodity hardware you can load it on to.
MS would love it if they could just sell you a license and you could install WinRT on your iPad or Xoom or Galaxy Tab, but it's hardware capabilities that run deeper than the PC-type ones (CPU speed, RAM, HDD space) that prevent this.

To add more confusion it is possible they will port the WinRT VM/runtime to Windows Phone 7 which would enable a certain level of functionality from WP8 apps to run on WP7 (think WP7.5 vs WP7), you just might miss out on integration with some of the new OS's niceties.

 

[N8ter]

no, the rumor said that Apollo won't run on any current WP device. this would mean that the manufacturers would have to release new "better" phones until Q4 this year when Apollo is due to come out. to me this is simply absolutely impossible, the Titan II and Lumia 900 just came out for god's sake. as for the apps, MS is known for it's great backward app compatibility so i wouldn't worry about that

Mango apps working on Apolo = Backward Compatibility. As in, being able to run apps developed for past OS releases.

Apollo Apps working on Mango = Forward Compatibility. As in, being able to run apps developed for a future OS release.

There's a difference. Apps designed for Apollo can't be expected to work on Mango even though Mango Apps can be expected to run in Apollo. You cannot expect Apollo to not add any new APIs that don't exist in mango. The only way to ensure forward compatibility it so backport these libraries/APIs to past OS releases. Microsoft sort of does that a bit for Windows and even Office Software (Office Compatibility Pack). I'm not sure if they're going to issue a major Mango update just to make sure Apollo apps all run on Mango. It's not that easy in the smartphone market where users don't decide for themselves when to update their OS/Software, but carriers and OEMs decide for them.


If all the Mango APIs move forward to Apollo then of course you can simply code for Mango SDK level and be ensured that all WP7/8 users will be able to run your app - at the expense of using some Apollo APIs/features added in that release (which may or may not affect you).

 

[mparker]

MS would love it if they could just sell you a license and you could install WinRT on your iPad or Xoom or Galaxy Tab, but it's hardware capabilities that run deeper than the PC-type ones (CPU speed, RAM, HDD space) that prevent this.

It's not just that - there's not much hardware on a cellphone or tablet that isn't also shipping on manufacturer's Windows 7 laptop.

The real problem is that the mobile market hasn't matured enough for this to standardization to happen. The mobile market is currently about where the PC market was in the late 70's, or the workstation market was in the late 80's. Each manufacturer had their own hardware and their own OS's and was busily trying to lock in their user base to Z80 TRS-DOS or MC68000 Xenix or 6502 ProDOS or CP/M or MP/M or DOS whatever. The mobile market could conceivably be in that situation in a decade, where Apple has their little niche with iOS and the rest of the world has standardized on Android or Windows. At some point the economies of scale and network effects just become too valuable to resist; at the moment these economies of scale are favoring Android and iOS, but with Windows 8 Microsoft is trying to erase the distinction between their desktop installed base and their mobile installed base in the hopes that this will give them the sort of massive scale needed to squash their competitors.

 

[eric12341]

Better multi-tasking, skype integration, more customization would be my main wish-features.

Multi-tasking - To be honest, 5 apps is not enough to me and the fact that I cannot close them without going in them sucks even more

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Why would you want to close apps? They aren't gobbling up resources or battery life like they do in android.

 

[mparker]

Why would you want to close apps? They aren't gobbling up resources or battery life like they do in android.

I've had several apps that became glitchier and glitchier the longer they ran, and the only way to fix them was to exit all the way back out to close the app and come back in. It would have been much simpler if there was a simple "X" option in the task manager. It would have been even nicer if the apps were simply more reliable, but the OS shouldn't assume the existence of only perfect apps.

 

[canesfan625]

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