Surface Pro 2 vs my Chromebook

Gino Guillermo

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Hiya.
Had my Acer C720 Chromebook and want to buy a new Windows PC as i'm slowly getting a bit fed up with its limitations.

I would like to know:
1. Just like the Surface....can i send files (.pdf, .doc, .jpeg, etc.) wirelessly via bluetooth to any bluetooth-enabled device? (e.g. Android, Nokia or Blackberry phones or tablets)

2. Having an SSD...how quick does it boot up? How long does a "typical" initial setting-up process takes? (I have heard an MS Surface Pro laptop is generally a lot faster than your typical Windows OEM laptop. Is this true?)

3. Saving Word documents - If i save documents on the offline Office suite will it also save automatically also on the online Office version? Is there an option to save the file as a .doc, .docx or .pdf format? If so, how?

4. Do i need to charge the Type Cover 2 keyboard in order for it to work?

Had a Lenovo Yoga 2 2 months ago and being a high-specced laptop it took me 4 hours (Yes..i counted it) IN TOTAL for the initial setup and updating the apps. Was greatly dissappointed with it hence i bought a cheap Chromebook. Never realised that i would be missing the productivity side of things like Office. Although i manage to find some workarounds i miss having a backlit keyboard, the high-res screen quality, the legacy apps, ability save & scan things easily and the abundance of apps.

What say you guys?
 
1) yes

2) within 20 seconds

3) yes, if you save to OneDrive folder and yes "save as" then the drop box gives you like 20 options including those you mentioned

4) no

The initial setup is worth the product you get! I say go for it, I have many friends with the Surface Pro 2 and they say nothing but awesome things!
 
If 20 second boot is too slow for you use the hibernate setting. It writes to disc instead of keeping memory on so no battery drain but quicker boot times.
 
The 20-second boot is just a tad slow but not deal breaker for me. How does one put the PC on hibernate mode? Did you mean changing the behaviour of how the "closing the lid" acts? How does setting it to hybernate mode makes it faster to boot up?

Also, i would like to know a typical, brand-new Surface Pro 2 and how long "in general terms" does it take for me to set it up and install updates? I'm still finding it hard to comprehend as to why my old Yoga 2 took 4 hours to set everything up.

Where does the type cover keyboard takes it energy source to make it work without a battery or charging it?

And also how do i make sure my battery is not draining when the lid is closed or whilst i'm working? Do i have to go to some hidden settings or type some weird word on Run to cancel everything or something? Making sure nothing is running in background unnecessarily?
 
Hibernate is under the settings with shut down, sleep ECT. Assuming windows 8 still has it...it should wp xp, vista, and 7 all had it. Sleep keeps the ram powered and drains the battery. Hibernate writes everything to disc and does not do a full shut down. Resuming is much quicker on hibernate. I would assume the keyboard is powered by contacts on the surface where it docks in.
 
The 20-second boot is just a tad slow but not deal breaker for me.
My SP2 takes less than half that to boot.
How does one put the PC on hibernate mode? Did you mean changing the behaviour of how the "closing the lid" acts? How does setting it to hybernate mode makes it faster to boot up?
I've not set that on mine. But it's in the standard Control Panel item for power.

Also, i would like to know a typical, brand-new Surface Pro 2 and how long "in general terms" does it take for me to set it up and install updates? I'm still finding it hard to comprehend as to why my old Yoga 2 took 4 hours to set everything up.
Depends on the version of firmware/software it ships with, how big the downloads are and how fat your internet connection is. But the Getting Started stuff is way better than it used to be - asks you stuff like computer name, user name, Microsoft account details and then just sits and does its thing. Modern apps you may have on other Windows PC's will install themselves if you choose to let it do so. I've a lot of programs to then install, but in preparation for my SP2 arriving I wrote a silent install script for them and just set them going while I did some other work. All in all, a couple of hours.
Where does the type cover keyboard takes it energy source to make it work without a battery or charging it?
The battery. It's just a keyboard, same as plugging any keyboard into any PC/laptop.
And also how do i make sure my battery is not draining when the lid is closed or whilst i'm working? Do i have to go to some hidden settings or type some weird word on Run to cancel everything or something? Making sure nothing is running in background unnecessarily?
The Control Panel power settings again.
 
May I ask, why/how is 20 second boot time [my SP2 boots in like 10 seconds] "slow".
slow is relative.
In my job there's little time to hook in to the invading scout spacecraft and upload a virus using a mutually compatible socket...10 vs 20 seconds is literally a world of difference.*





* if you're a nineties child that wont make sense. Bite me.
 
My Surface Pro 2 takes precisely 6 sec to start. That is from the "click" sound of the power button, to the desktop, fully loaded.
If your system takes longer than 6sec, then you have bloat that you installed, and may want to look into removing them.

And no, my system isn't empty. I have Office 2013, Visual Studio 2013, WebMatrix, and other large software, and games.

As for the initial setup, Microsoft treats the Surface Pro as their "halo" product. Their GeForce Titan of computers, if you like. Basically, the focus of the system, is to provide you and showcase the best of Windows. The system comes junk free, and super clean. As a computer should. Other manufactures dump a whole set of trial software and other software that are useless for most people, but act as ads, to subsidize the system to be able to sale the system at a lower price, or maximize profits.

So, The setup of the Surface Pro is the minimum time possible. Here is what will happen:
-> Windows will start asking you important basic questions, like your current time, country, and language
-> Windows will then ask you some important customization options to get started properly. You have a few question, and a express option, if you like to keep things as default
-> Windows will ask you a user name and password to create setup your account. A Microsoft account is needed to get started. The Microsoft account is actually optional, but Windows 8 is integrates numerous services, such as XBox Music, App Store, and OneDrive, among others. I would highly suggest to do so. In addition, your Windows settings are sync with other Windows 8 PCs. Changing the background on your Surface Pro 2, will change it on your desktop running Win8 under your account. (options to disable that are available, and customization too). It really makes you feel that your Surface Pro (or laptop running Win8) is an extension of your main system, if any.
-> Once done, Windows will generate your account, and measure GPU and system performance to adjust the settings to the best experience (expect full visual experience, as this is a Surface Pro, not Windows 8 that was installed on a system from 2001). This will take a small moment. After that, you are ready to go.

If you purchase a Surface Pro from Microsoft store online or in store, Microsoft offers you 30 days return period (U.S and Canada, contact Microsoft for full details in your region, as I don't know for sure)
 
and here I am thinking my laptops 30 second boot was respectable!
In your case it depends on the age of the system. Assuming it runs on Windows 8, It may have to do that you are using an HDD or slow SSD, and not a high speed SSD. In addition, the system might be using the old BIOS system, and not the new UEFI.

In a nut shell, here is the difference:
-> At startup, the BIOS will start detecting via a scan process every hardware you have and enabled components one at a time. Once done, it finds the boot process, and starts the OS boot process. Then Windows loads.. but Windows needs to know your system specs as the point of an operating system, is that it operates your system... else your computer is as useful as a door stop... which may beep sometimes, so it detects everything again.

-> With UEFI, it goes "Ok everyone, give me what you are, now! All together, come one!". Then it lunches the boot process, and goes to Windows, "Here is all the info I detected". So now Windows doesn't need to re-detect your system.

If you have a custom build computer and wonder how to make it boot in 6 sec:
-> You need a fully supported UEFI motherboard and set to be in UEFI mode.
-> If you have a dedicated GPU, the vBIOS (or graphics card firmware, which ever the manufacture wants to call it), is updated to the GOP (Graphics Output Protocol) ready firmware. (if you do this, the graphics card will no longer work on old BIOS based systems)
-> Use a high speed SSD
-> SATA controller is set to AHCI mode
-> Windows 8
-> Dual or more core decently fast CPU, and system follows Windows recommended specs or higher (higher is better, of course)
 
The 20-second boot up compared to an Android or iPhone or a Windows OEM laptop is quick. But in comparison with a Chromebook it's quite slow.

So would you say Hibernate mode is "better" than Sleep Mode (when the lid closes) as it drains less battery and loads quicker?

I have heard about bloatware (especially with the case of Android phones & tablets) but would installing a third-party app be considered bloat as well? How would i know it would not slodown my PC?

About this BIOS vs UEFI issue....do i even have to worry about it? Does it say on the package if its BIOS or UEFI? And can i set the PC as UEFI?

My other "worry" about a Windows PC is security. Which app or tool i need to have in order to keep my PC virus/malware/trojan/spam-free? And can i set updates to automatically as well?

I want to also ask about background processes. I have heard you have to always go to this setting somewhere to uncheck or stop some processes running in the background to speed up the OS. Bit confusing i think. As you have to find something then some more ticks to uncheck something.
How would i know what process to uncheck or stop? Will it help in speeding up loading up things and the general PC performance?
Can i set those the ones i unchecked kept unchecked?

Talking about the initial setup if i would get the Surface Pro 2 with 8.1 already and with a 30MB broadband speed plus installing the odd patches, security updates, 1st-party software updates surely this would not reach more 4 hours. And as with a Macbook does the initial setup ask you to create an alternative drive or something to make loading faster or to re-install Windows if something happens to your "other" drive?
 
hibernate is terrible!!! it's a relic that never really worked (meaning unreliable).

are you having issues with sleep? the SP2 takes about 2 seconds to fully wake from sleep. Unfortunately, the SP2 doesn't support Connected Standby but waking from sleep isn't that bad. In this day and age, there's not much reason to fully shut down a computer. That reminds me of the days of parking the hard drive. Sure, you save battery life but not so dramatically to make it worth shutting down.

As for Office Online versus Office 2013/Office 365... In Office Online, multiple people can work on the same document simultaneously. You can't do this with Office 2013/365. When one person opens the document, it locks it and prevents anyone else from editing it (though they can still read it). With Office Online, you don't "save" the document. It saves automatically as an edit is made. You can do a "save as" however. If you want to manually save, you need Office 2013/365. Office 2013/365 support saving as DOC, DOCX, and PDF. Office Online I think is restricted to DOCX but don't hold me to that. I know that when you print with Office Online, it creates a PDF first so maybe you can save as PDF.

You don't need to charge the Type Cover 2.

Setup is a pain to get all the initial downloads. But once those are done, updates are minimal and automatic.
 
The 20-second boot up compared to an Android or iPhone or a Windows OEM laptop is quick. But in comparison with a Chromebook it's quite slow.
Well the Surface Pro 1, 2, 3 has 6sec boot time. Meaning if your system is totally off, in 6 sec you see your desktop, and ready to go with a fully responsive experience.

So would you say Hibernate mode is "better" than Sleep Mode (when the lid closes) as it drains less battery and loads quicker?
In the case of the Surface Pro 1, 2 and 3 and similarly configured computers, Hibernation will or could take more a bit more time than powering up from shutdown to get started. However, you resume where you left off.

Sleep powers your RAM while the system is practical off, and the power efficiency when in sleep is not as good as normal tablet. Meaning if you plan to put the computer to sleep and take it several days later, and turn it on, don't expect that the battery level will remain close to where it was when you turned is off. It will rather be low.
It's best to turn off your system when you won't be using it soon after or want to resume your work later on. Keep in mind that despite looking like a tablet, the Surface Pro is still a laptop internal.


I have heard about bloatware (especially with the case of Android phones & tablets) but would installing a third-party app be considered bloat as well? How would i know it would not slodown my PC?
bloatware is a term used to describe a software that has no value, and no purpose for you, and takes system ressources, where it be memory (RAM), or processing power, or time (time to startup), or simply capacity on your system, or a combination of them. Example: search bars in a web browser. For many, this is a bloatware, as you can set your web browser of choice to the search engine of choice, and when you search something on the address bar or designated search box (if any), it will use it. However, for someone, that search bar might be useful, where for him or her in some fashion.

About this BIOS vs UEFI issue....do i even have to worry about it? Does it say on the package if its BIOS or UEFI? And can i set the PC as UEFI?
To stay competitive against other manufactures, and have good reviews as a goal. New systems of today, all uses UEFI. Well 'all' is used loosely here. I have no data to backup this claim, but I think if you get a newly manufactures system and not a cheapo one, it will most likely be using UEFI, and I'll be surprised if it wasn't.

My other "worry" about a Windows PC is security. Which app or tool i need to have in order to keep my PC virus/malware/trojan/spam-free? And can i set updates to automatically as well?
Nothing beats safe web surfing practices, and knowing exactly what you install on your system. You can run Windows without an anti-virus for multiple years, and truly use the computer as normal, and after 3-4 years you install one, and do a scan, and nothing was found. The great majority of the time, it is the user that downloads a virus or malware (virus term is used to encompass all bad software, and attacks, meaning trojans, spyware, spam, actual viruses, and so on). No anti-virus is full proof either. In addition, the better the anti-virus, the more resources it will take, and slow down your system from starting up (as it does a virus check on Windows startup file, while Windows loads), and start scanning every peace of data you encounter, continuously, and does multiple pass on everything with different algorithm, and anything it finds somewhat a potential harm will take no chance, and flag it as a false positive, meaning it will detect it as a virus of some kind, but really isn't, as the anti-virus takes 0 chance. However, you have anti-virus that aren't aggressive like that. They are not as good, the percentage of success in detection is good, but not great, but you'll feel like you have nothing installed.

Windows 8 comes with Windows Defender. Microsoft own anti-virus solution. It is called Microsoft Security Essentials in Windows 7, which was a download that you get (it was also available for XP, and Vista users). The anti-virus is ok. It gives you a base line protection system, and really doesn't affect performance. Being popular, and now built-in into Windows, virus maker can seek ways to by-pass the anti-virus. Keeping it updated (updated are delivered once or even sometimes twice daily via Windows Update automatically)

For many people, this anti-virus is sufficient. They prefer keeping the system responsive and quick like no anti-virus is installed, and be totally non intrusive, and act like if it doesn't exists, for a reduction in security check. To combat this, they use web surfing practices, and don't mind, at the worst, re-installing everything when infected.

Others, uses it, and every couple of months will install another anti-virus of their choice, do a scan, and if nothing is detected, removes it, and resumes.

So, as you can see, they are many options out there. and it depends on you and your experience, and your knowledge on surfing the web in a safe mater, and know exactly what goes in your system (download, USB key, disc (if you have a drive for it), etc).

I want to also ask about background processes. I have heard you have to always go to this setting somewhere to uncheck or stop some processes running in the background to speed up the OS. Bit confusing i think. As you have to find something then some more ticks to uncheck something.
How would i know what process to uncheck or stop? Will it help in speeding up loading up things and the general PC performance?
Can i set those the ones i unchecked kept unchecked?
Depending on which software you use to do this (Windows 8 task manager under the Startup tab, and programs like CCleaner (free) will tell you the name of the program and its publisher. If not, then you'll need to do a Google search on the program file name. You can uncheck the item which symbolizes that you want Windows to ignore it at startup, or remove it from the list of startup programs. There is mo difference between the two.

Startup programs appear by software you install or drivers which puts things in the startup list to have start with your system. Usually, they are drivers control panel pre-loaders usually you can remove (or better yet, if you don't know, disable them, to re-enable it if you see something stop working) them safely.), or driver software to provide additional features like keyboard hot keys for additional controls that Windows doesn't provide, for example on some laptop you have a keyboard key to turn off or on the wireless, or auto-updaters or other software which can be refer as bloatware by some, or stuff like your anti-virus, which you want to startup with your computer.

It is for you to decide what you care or don't care about. Power users tend to prefer to remove control panel pre-loaders, as they rarely access them, and can wait the extra 0.5sec more or whatever for the panel to open, as for updates, they'll check themselves every now and then. The rest, it is left as is, usually.

The Surface Pro comes clean in its startup. It is all about (as a goal) to porvide you the best Windows experience, so you have nothing of such. Windows defender is built-in Windows, so it doesn't show up listed, and well, no bloatware installed for you.

Talking about the initial setup if i would get the Surface Pro 2 with 8.1 already and with a 30MB broadband speed plus installing the odd patches, security updates, 1st-party software updates surely this would not reach more 4 hours. And as with a Macbook does the initial setup ask you to create an alternative drive or something to make loading faster or to re-install Windows if something happens to your "other" drive?

Ignoring installing your programs, ignoring the recommendation of having your device plugged in and fully charged before doing a firmware upgrade for the device, which varies from one person to another, depending on the number and programs to install, and where the battery life is at out of the box (battery is never fully charged when the device is new, but rather on purpose set to 40-50% depending on the battery used, to maximize store shelf life to not reduce the battery life at all as the device is in the box.
The device is ready to go out of the box (well after you do the Windows startup as I described in my previous post).

As for recovery, the Surface Pro 1, 2, 3 with Windows 8 has everything built-in the system. Nothing to prepare or do.
 
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I am still worried about my experience with the Yoga 2 wherein it took me 4 long hours just to do an initial setup, install and update. How can i be sure that if i get a top--of-the-line Surface Pro 2 will not take the same amount? I know you guys have explained the many variables and depends on the broadband speed, battery left, etc. With my "old" Macbook Air it took me the (less than) 60 minutes setting up. This was 2012. Early this year with the OS X Mavericks release it took again 60 minutes (even less) to download and install everything.

Is the Surface Pro 2 (or Macbook or Chromebook) UEFI-certified/compatible already? And how would i know?

Talking about bloatware would you say 1st-party or Microsoft-owned software (whether built-in or not) like Skype, Windows Defender, etc. does not use much resources or slows down your system at all rather than an equivalent third-party software?

Going back to the background processes....
I found myself Googling all these unheard-of processes that i come across in the Task Manager and in my opinion is a total waste of time. If i have 100 process does MS expect people to Google each one of them and find out what it is? And if i "accidentally" deleted one program will there be a warning to indicate that deleting such program may harm your computer. Does it still say that?

On a Mac it is just a few clicks away to see whether some program is running or not and you can "Force Close" it. No such thing as a "background process" per se. Very simple and very clear OS i must say.
 
I am still worried about my experience with the Yoga 2 wherein it took me 4 long hours just to do an initial setup, install and update. How can i be sure that if i get a top--of-the-line Surface Pro 2 will not take the same amount? I know you guys have explained the many variables and depends on the broadband speed, battery left, etc. With my "old" Macbook Air it took me the (less than) 60 minutes setting up. This was 2012. Early this year with the OS X Mavericks release it took again 60 minutes (even less) to download and install everything.
Every week, you have Windows update being released, practically. And if you install Office, expect it's set of updates as well. Older the OS is, the more updates you'll have.
I have a 20Mbps connection, using Wireless N single band (2.4GHz), but excellent reception (wireless router in the same room as the Surface Pro 2) and if it took 4h to setup, I can assume you, that it would be put back in the box, and returned the device. :)
I have never measured the time it takes to get started with my Surface Pro 2, but if I would guess, it was under 1h. That is just Windows, and having my Surface Pro 2 ready to go to install my other software, and that of course, depending on you, your version of Office (if you use that), as it has it's own updates being delivered via Windows Update. But I am most confident that under 1h, I could get the basics done (web surf with Firefox, use Office 2013 (but maybe not updated to the max).
I even want to say 30min, with taking the time to read the setup question of Windows. And if you are with a really good internet connection with dual band wireless N, and you come in in a moment where Windows Update servers aren't under heavy load, and you know a bit what you are doing, I think you can get away in ~15min. That's the problem. initial setup, you, are including Windows updates, and this is why it is hard for us to give you a straight number, beside the fact that this is something we have never measured, nor do often to know.


Is the Surface Pro 2 (or Macbook or Chromebook) UEFI-certified/compatible already? And how would i know?
I dont' know about chromebook, but MacBook and Surface Pro are both UEFI ready. Apple was the early adapters of UEFI, and that is why for many years, Windows was criticize to take time to start (these complaints included the time that the system startup befreo starting up Windows, and that is out of Microsoft hands), however, the reason for this, is that UEFI was not really established as a standard. Apple could do anything they want as they control the hardware inside, and they know the exact number of possible hardware combination. Windows sides they are billion of possibilities, and it has to work with everything.

Talking about bloatware would you say 1st-party or Microsoft-owned software (whether built-in or not) like Skype, Windows Defender, etc. does not use much resources or slows down your system at all rather than an equivalent third-party software?
It comes with Skype Windows 8 App, it's up to you if you like it or not. I use the desktop one as I use my Surface Pro 2 more as a laptop than tablet more often (but I don't get or want an ultrabook, as the pen is critical for me, I do use it often, but in mostly in short moment here and there (note taking, but need the pen for graph, math, diagram, etc))

And you have Office 2013 downloader, which is useful if you have Office 2013, as the device doesn't have an optical disk drive.
The rest comes with Windows. Everything is easy to uninstall, and leaves nothing behind. I remove Office 2013 downlaoder once downlaoded and installed.
 
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Going back to the background processes....
I found myself Googling all these unheard-of processes that i come across in the Task Manager and in my opinion is a total waste of time. If i have 100 process does MS expect people to Google each one of them and find out what it is? And if i "accidentally" deleted one program will there be a warning to indicate that deleting such program may harm your computer. Does it still say that?
Wrong tab, buddy. But if you want to learn about Windows, sure it's a great way to learn.
The tab you should be looking is "Startup". Not "Processes" nor "Details". Processes shows you currently running programs (running programs are called processes)

On a Mac it is just a few clicks away to see whether some program is running or not and you can "Force Close" it. No such thing as a "background process" per se. Very simple and very clear OS i must say.
Yes you have. It's called "End Task", which is the proper terminology.
 
End Task was the term i was looking for :=)

Just comparing....which one does best when it comes to such background processes and which one is good in ending such tasks? In my experience the Mac is best and very easy to find any task and stop that tasks. But how about Windows? (with the hundreds of tasks running in the background that one need to Google and find out, etc.)
 
correction on my previous post. I said it comes with Office 2013 downloaded, I meant downloader.
Sorry for the all the typos in my previous posts, I was typing in a hurry and didn't get a chance to re-read myself.
 

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