12-09-2009 01:51 PM
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  1. Jeffp25's Avatar
    Hmm, one of my main reasons for switching from the iPhone to the Tilt2 was the lack of a snooze feature on the calender function - the only options on an alarm were to close it or to edit the event. I really missed the variable-time snooze on my Tilt. Now, I've discovered that the same functon on the Tilt2 is almost worse - there is a snooze function, but with a fixed time of onoy a few minutes, which is worthless. AND, there isn't the option of easily editing the appointment, so this is more limiting than the iPhone. On the other hand, I can ignore the alarm and move on (the benefit of true multitaking) and rely on seeing the alarm bell at teh top of the screen. So, in the end it is maybe a little better than the iPhone, but not as good as on the original Tilt!

    Hopefully someone can tell me how to change the snooze time.

    The calender on the Tilt 2 also has one more shortcoming compared to the Tilt 1 and the iPhone: the calender only gives a daily and monthly view, lacking a weekly view.

    As for first impressions: straight out of the box, the Tilt 2 is certainly harder to use than an iPhone, and the vertical virtual keyboard is a little smaller, making it tougher to use one-handed than the iPhone. The two included browsers are also vastly inferior to Safari on the iPhone. So, I'll be looking for replacement keyboards and browsers for the phone.
    10-24-2009 08:53 PM
  2. nrfitchett4's Avatar
    sounds like you are ready to go back to the iphone.
    If not. skyfire works great on my tp2 but I have no problem with the keyboard so I can't help you there.
    10-25-2009 04:03 AM
  3. Jeffp25's Avatar
    I'm getting better with the keyboard. For casual, one-handed typing, the iPhone is a little better. For serious writing, the real keyboard on the Tilt 2 is better.

    I've installed Skyfire. So far, I'm not impressed with it (or the two that came with the phone). The iPhone browser is MUCH better, both for ease of use and speed. But I didn't get this just for the browser, and I need more time with Skyfire.

    I'm coming to the conclusion that my phone isn't available yet. But I'm going to keep working with the Tilt 2 and see if I can be happy with it. If I can, I'm planning on keeping it and doing a 1-year upgrade next year when the flood of WM 7 devices arrives.
    10-25-2009 08:19 AM
  4. Jeffp25's Avatar
    Having spent two days with the Tilt 2, here's my observations/decision:

    1. If I didn't want to sync with Enterprise AND my home PC, I'd probably get the iPhone. It does everything well, and the lack of multitasking with third party apps isn't much of an issue in practice. In addition to being a good phone, it is great for e-mail, Web access, video playing, and music playing. The voice control works very well so I can do what I want while driving (placing phone calls, playing music of my choice) without even looking at the phone. But working with Enterprise and my home PC just doesn't do what I want - the segregation of the two causes too many problems.

    2. The Touch Pro 2/Tilt 2 is pretty good, has a very good screen and a great physical keyboard. But the user interface is tough to manage without the cursor control pad on earlier phones. The Tilts 2 has voice control, but it doesn't work well at all and is not reliable/simple enough to use while driving (I don't want to have to glance down to see if it is calling the number I requested, or remember a list of 50 artist names when selecting what music to play).

    3. The Original Tilt has a screen which isn't as good as either of the other two, and has a pretty worthless physical keyboard (to me). BUT, it has a much easier user interface overall (primarily because of the cursor control pad) than the Tilt 2.

    So, iPhone has a problem for my type of use, and the Tilt 2 doesn't offer enough compared to the Tilt 1 to be worth $200 and locking myself into a 2 year contract. I'm returning the Tilt 2 and going back to my original phone.

    I'm keeping my eyes out for the next generation: WM7 or even Android 2.0, which now supports Exchange.
    10-26-2009 08:32 PM
  5. Jeffp25's Avatar
    "It was nice to be able to get in my car, hook up the iPhone to the Aux in jack on my radio, press the button on my Bluetooth and say "play music" and have it start playing MP3 files. Later on, I switched to the next track by pressing the button and saying "next song", and then selected an different album by saying "play album Across the Universe", and finally "play artist Pink Floyd". And then I pressed the button and said "call home home" and it dialed the entry on my phone for home, paused the music until I was done, and the went back to playing. I don't know if a Windows Mobile phone can do this so effortlessly.

    YES IT CAN
    Not really. I tried this same scenario today with the Tilt 2. When I said "Play Artist Pink Floyd" it responded "Which artist?" and then started listing ALL the artists on my phone - with about 1 GB of music, that was over 50 artists. I tried saying Pink Floyd while it was giving the list, and it ignored it until it was done. Then I pressed the button and said "Call Home." It replied "Call Home?" I tried "Yes" and it gave a low toned beep and ended. I tried several times, and couldn't come up with anything that made it work. I then tried "Call . . ." giving the phone number. It repeated the phone number and then said "Correct?" I replied "Correct" and that worked.

    So, while it does have voice command capability, it works very poorly compared to that on the iPhone. I think the issue is that the MS one accepts a MUCH wider range of commands, and that adds to complexity that makes it hard to use.

    My Tilt also has the voice command tool, which I've enabled, but for some reason that doesn't work. But maybe I'm not missing much!
    10-26-2009 08:42 PM
  6. Dave Blake's Avatar
    I use MSVC all the time for everything it recognizes things fine for me. It might be your bluetooth device sound quality that's causing the problem. Try giving the commands directly to the Phone. I hate the play artist thing to 50+ artists takes for ever to announce so I don't do that.
    10-26-2009 08:57 PM
  7. Jeffp25's Avatar
    I've already moved the SIM back to my original Tilt and boxed up the Tilt 2. But I might give VM a try on my Tilt. Any idea why it doesn't respond on this phone?
    10-26-2009 09:32 PM
  8. Jeffp25's Avatar
    By the way, it feels like I'm loosing $100 by returning the Tilt 2 because of the $100 coupon from Microsoft that I won't be able to use again!

    I really wish the Tilt 2 had worked out for me, but maybe I'm looking for too much.
    10-26-2009 09:36 PM
  9. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Don't settle for a device your not happy with keep searching the rite device for you is out there. As far as MSVC there are tricks that can help with recognition like on short names like Tim for example use his first and last name when making his contact information. Companies that are just letters like GE put a "." between the letters like this G.E. There is a Wiki around somewhere but I haven't read it in a while cant remember where I found it.
    10-26-2009 10:03 PM
  10. badersk's Avatar
    Having spent two days with the Tilt 2, here's my observations/decision:

    1. If I didn't want to sync with Enterprise AND my home PC, I'd probably get the iPhone. It does everything well, and the lack of multitasking with third party apps isn't much of an issue in practice. In addition to being a good phone, it is great for e-mail, Web access, video playing, and music playing. The voice control works very well so I can do what I want while driving (placing phone calls, playing music of my choice) without even looking at the phone. But working with Enterprise and my home PC just doesn't do what I want - the segregation of the two causes too many problems.

    2. The Touch Pro 2/Tilt 2 is pretty good, has a very good screen and a great physical keyboard. But the user interface is tough to manage without the cursor control pad on earlier phones. The Tilts 2 has voice control, but it doesn't work well at all and is not reliable/simple enough to use while driving (I don't want to have to glance down to see if it is calling the number I requested, or remember a list of 50 artist names when selecting what music to play).

    3. The Original Tilt has a screen which isn't as good as either of the other two, and has a pretty worthless physical keyboard (to me). BUT, it has a much easier user interface overall (primarily because of the cursor control pad) than the Tilt 2.

    So, iPhone has a problem for my type of use, and the Tilt 2 doesn't offer enough compared to the Tilt 1 to be worth $200 and locking myself into a 2 year contract. I'm returning the Tilt 2 and going back to my original phone.

    I'm keeping my eyes out for the next generation: WM7 or even Android 2.0, which now supports Exchange.
    All of these issues are non issues after about a week with the phone it take a little time to get used to especially if you are using the TouchFlo interface. But the above poster is right don't settle for a phone you don't like. The original tilt is still a good device and will carry you for a long time if it doesn't get broke. I hope you find what you want.
    10-27-2009 07:02 AM
  11. nrfitchett4's Avatar
    I can't comment on the iphone browser since I've never used one. But At&t's CEO talking about limiting smart phone users data usage would give me reason for pause.
    10-28-2009 08:22 PM
  12. eros143's Avatar
    I'm probably late to the discussion subject here, but I've had the Tilt2 since October 16 (via premier account).. It is infact an upgrade from my old worned out 8525 w/ wm6.1 . However, I was contemplating between the iPhone 3Gs and the Tilt2 (also considered the Pure) before I went to purchase the T2. I have 2 weeks to decide if the Tilt2 is it, and i'm still trying to see if it is feasible to get the iPhone 3Gs. My betterhalf will soon
    be upgrading phone (from samsung flip phone ) and we are looking at the $49 upgrade for iPhone 3G 8gb as a starter. It maybe worthwhile for us to both get the iPhone (3Gs for me).. but I'm trying to justify.
    What I like about the Tilt2 (and based on experience from previous wm devices)- customizable, GPS, multitask, keyboard, and used to the pHone features (and I do like the new features on the Tilt2).
    What I like about iPHone: itunes (i have collections to play on ipod), i'll be "inline" w/ family who practically all have iphones, and faster/better browser...
    What I have so far in my Tilt2:
    Slingplayer mobile
    CorePlayer (although according to handango, not compatible w/ tilt2, but seem to be working fine- to play my converted movies)
    changeScreen config- from xda
    SPB BackUp
    SpaceReclaimer
    YouTube (from Google)
    Googlemaps- this and youtube i downloaded using the built in IE (not opera), before i discovered that there's a hidden app in the phone.
    and other apps from the market place.

    As for movie converter- I have been using PQDVD's DVD to PocketPc program for years now.. and no issues whatsoever.

    E.
    11-02-2009 04:03 PM
  13. wyrethewolf's Avatar
    As a mobile device... in hand using it every day for surfing the web, music, videos... the iPhone is actually quite good. One of the best.... however its short comings are pretty serious. It is a terrible phone (this is experience speaking) As a phone the iPhone falls flat on its face... I dont really need to go into the various reasons why... as cnet UK already has.


    http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39...0.htm?s_cid=96


    The phone part of the iPhone was bad enough that I left the iPhone in favor of the Touch diamond, and a bit ago for the Touch Pro 2.

    At least the phone works ;)




    You could always get the iPod touch and use that for video/music/internet ... using the TP2 (or :::enter WM device here:::) as a mobile hotspot.

    Then you would have the best of both worlds.
    11-08-2009 03:32 AM
  14. norrisppc's Avatar
    This is exactly what I've been doing, use TP2 for business (phone, Exchange emails, GPS, IT admin tool etc.), use iPod Touch for personal (video, music, game). If I need access internet from the Touch, simply turn on the WiFi hotspot on the TP2. Works great.;)
    12-09-2009 01:51 PM
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