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12-09-2009 01:51 PM
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  1. Jeffp25's Avatar
    I've had my Tilt since the first week of release, and I was looking forward to an upgrade. I never use the physical keyboard on the Tilt, so a I thought a Diamond 2 would be perfect. Then I handled a Pure: the screen is so small that the virtual keyboard is virtually unusable. So that's out. I was waiting to see the Tilt 2, but then I heard that it won't have a 3.5mm jack - a major issue for me, as it means always carrying the adapter if I might want to listen to music/video.

    My wife suggested I try an iPhone while I'm waiting - if I don't like it, I can always return it for only $30. So, I'm on day 3 with the iPhone. First, the good:

    1. A 3.5mm jack.
    2. A great screen.
    3. It is a very good video and and music player.
    4. Good voice recognition for dialing.
    5. It has a very good browser.
    6. It is a lot of fun to play with.

    Now the bad:
    1. There's no way to snooze a calender alarm - you can't say remind me again in an hour, but must edit the event.
    2. Text editing is not easy, especially when the text is at the edge of the screen.
    3. Managing multiple e-mail accounts is hard - too many steps to switch from one to the other.
    4. No speed dial: You can't assign, for example, your home number to 5 and just press 5 on the dial pad.
    5. Lack of multitasking for 3rd party apps.
    I wasn't sure that the lack of multitasking would be an issue, but it means that no one but Apple can release, for example, a better keyboard, a better calender, a better e-mail manager, and have them function while anything else is running.

    So, I don't know what I'll do. I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of buttons on the main body of the Tilt 2, the extra size/weight, and I'm certainly bothered by the lack of headphone jack. But the iPhone certainly has problems too. One will certainly be the most fun, and the best for games, video, and music, but the other may be best for everything else!
    10-13-2009 09:59 PM
  2. kxs783kms#WP's Avatar
    As you are in the TP2 forum, you know what my answer to what phone you should get would be. I found the only way to make the iphone better was to jailbreak it and install apps from Cydia. (*Don't know if you thought about this or tried it yet.*) But everything you mentioned in your post, can be found in there. Custom keyboards, backgrounder...which allows multiple apps to run in the background, custom calendars, email managers, etc. Now with that being said, there is a down side. Once you jailbreak your phone, it's been said or maybe proven (*don't know*) that it slows the phone down. If you're willing to take the chance, you can do that and keep the iphone. But here's the catch.....all of the goods that you mentioned for the iphone are equal to or better on the TP2. And the bads that you mentioned about the iphone would be goods for the TP2. For example....multitasking,etc. So why the confusion? TP2 is the way to go!!!
    Last edited by kxs783kms; 10-14-2009 at 09:42 AM.
    10-14-2009 12:00 AM
  3. Jeffp25's Avatar
    I know that I have to give the TP2 a chance - I just wish I could find one at the AT&T store (the last rumor I heard was that they should be available on Monday 10/19, but nothing certain). I could look at the ones at Sprint, etc., but there are enough differences between versions that it might to show me what I'd get.

    When I travel, I end up taking my Tilt, an small MP3 player (Sansa Fuze), and a video player (Archos 705). It would be great to just take one device (which is why I bought the 32 GB iPod).
    10-14-2009 06:22 AM
  4. Jeffp25's Avatar
    One more thing, in favor of the iPhone - all the third-party hardware. For example, I've found a remote for playing music in the car: it attaches to the iPhone and connects to the aux in and power, and works with a wireless remote that attaches to the steering wheel.
    10-14-2009 06:25 AM
  5. myriad46's Avatar
    Concerning the lack of a 3.5mm jack and the need for an adapter. When I got my tilt, it came with a 2" long adapter with a mini usb connector on one end and a 3.5mm plug on the other. It's very tiny. If you are bringing your headphones anyway, why can't you leave the adapter attached to the headphones?

    I was very tempted by the iphone until I thought about typing. And, you can modify the TP2 quite a bit without "jailbreaking" it with themes and shells. And, as i am sure you are noticing, AT&T is starting to suck with their contracts. They are going to start requiring an unlimited data plan on all smart phones. Prices are going up. Not sure where you live (service in your area), butit may be a good time to look into another company. Also AT&T's TP2 doesn't use the number row, it's got the same silly keypad shape as the Tilt, one of my personal problems with the Tilt.
    10-14-2009 09:58 AM
  6. Jeffp25's Avatar
    AT&T phones get the best signal where I work, so I'm pretty much stuck with AT&T - I already have the unlimited data plan anyway.

    I have more than one set of headphones. I keep a small set in the car, that I can grab if I'm going to be sitting in a waiting room somewhere, a big pair that I keep in the house, and a folding set with noise reduction for trips. I'd have to buy two more jack adapters if I wanted to keep one with my headphones. Make that three more as I'd need one in my car for the auxillary jack. Nope, four more, as I'd need one in my wife's car for when we want to listen to music on my phone when we're in her car!
    10-14-2009 09:10 PM
  7. Dave Blake's Avatar
    If all you care about is music go with the iPhone. If you want to be able to surf the internet, run Sprint navigation while listening to music or Slingbox then answer a call go back navigation it auto updates your location even with the data connect interrupted by the call. End the call and the music starts playing without me even toughing the phone. I have been married for 18 years I love my wife but hers is the only face I want to have to see every day of my life. That is why I re skin my TP2 at least once a week. Did I mention that I wrote this post using my TP2 with this great qwerty I don't even need my laptop anymore. But like I said if all you need is music keep the iPhone.
    10-15-2009 05:58 AM
  8. Jeffp25's Avatar
    If all you care about is music go with the iPhone.
    Nope, I want it all! BUT, I don't need it for navigation as I prefer the much bigger screen and features of my Tomtom 920T for that.

    As for your comments about the browser, I'm finding it far easier/quicker/more reliable to access the Internet with the iPhone than I ever could with my Tilt, even with Opera Mini on my Tilt. But maybe that will be better with WM 6.5 on the Tilt 2.

    For fun things, I still think that the iPhone is better. But for things that matter, the Tilt 2 might be better - we'll see.

    I went into this as a firm WM user, having always avoided Apple products. My wife convinced me to try the iPhone, and I've tried to do so with an open mind. I've used it enough to see the advantages and problems, and it will be tough to choose. Maybe what I really need is an HTC HD2 running WM7, but that won't be out for a year.
    10-15-2009 06:18 AM
  9. Dave Blake's Avatar
    So what's your real question here? It seams you already have all the real data you need to make an intelligent decision. You came in the the TP2 forum to post so I assume you are looking for a bunch of iPhone bashers to beat up on the iPhone and convince you to switch back to WinMo. Now it seams like you are trying to defend the fruit phone. You remember you are posting at WMExperts in the Touch Pro 2 forum where the PRO'S hang out. I'm just saying....
    10-15-2009 11:22 AM
  10. wagadesa#WN's Avatar
    So what's your real question here? It seams you already have all the real data you need to make an intelligent decision. You came in the the TP2 forum to post so I assume you are looking for a bunch of iPhone bashers to beat up on the iPhone and convince you to switch back to WinMo. Now it seams like you are trying to defend the fruit phone. You remember you are posting at WMExperts in the Touch Pro 2 forum where the PRO'S hang out. I'm just saying....
    I concur...:hmm:
    10-15-2009 06:05 PM
  11. Jeffp25's Avatar
    So what's your real question here? It seams you already have all the real data you need to make an intelligent decision...
    But I don't have all the data I need, as I haven't used a WM phone newer than Tilt.

    Here's an example. In my car, I can hook up the iPhone to the power outlet and to the auxiliary in jack, then have it play music through my car. If I want to make a call, I can press a button on my third-party Bluetooth earpiece, to make a call: - the music will pause, I'll hear a beep in my ear, I can say, for example, "Call Sam Mobile" and the phone will search through my contacts, find the mobile/cell phone number for Sam, and make the call. Once I press the button to hang up, the music resumes. It all integrates well together. Can I do this easily with the Tilt 2? My experience with older WM phones is that I couldn't do the whole thing without touching the phone, but maybe it would all be just as easy with the Tilt 2.

    So, I've come here to find out IF I could get a new WM phone work as well as the things I like about the iPhone, trying to learn from the pros who've used the newer phones. I was also hoping to find responses from people who've used an iPhone extensively and decided to keep/switch to a WM phone.

    I'm still on the fence, as there are things I love about the iPhone and things that I hate, but I can't choose sides without more information the Tilt 2 than is shown in reviews.
    10-16-2009 06:31 AM
  12. Zookeeper's Avatar
    I think this phone will support the earpiece function you would like to have. I found the following from a review of the phone.

    This phone also provides Bluetooth wireless connectivity (version 2.0), and includes profiles for communication headset, hands-free car kits, and file transfer. With the A2DP Bluetooth profile, you can stream your music to a pair of compatible Bluetooth stereo headphones. Additionally, the Touch Pro 2 includes integrated Wi-Fi networking (802.11b/g), enabling you to connect to home and corporate wireless networks as well as hotspots in airports and coffee shops while on the go
    10-16-2009 11:26 AM
  13. Zookeeper's Avatar
    From the same web site.

    http://blog.royaltyuniverse.com/2009...2-phone-mocha/

    Voice dialing: Call someone with simple voice commands to keep your hands free for activities like driving.
    10-16-2009 11:28 AM
  14. Jeffp25's Avatar
    From the same web site.
    Thanks.
    10-16-2009 11:51 AM
  15. Dave Blake's Avatar
    But I don't have all the data I need, as I haven't used a WM phone newer than Tilt.

    Here's an example. In my car, I can hook up the iPhone to the power outlet and to the auxiliary in jack, then have it play music through my car. If I want to make a call, I can press a button on my third-party Bluetooth earpiece, to make a call: - the music will pause, I'll hear a beep in my ear, I can say, for example, "Call Sam Mobile" and the phone will search through my contacts, find the mobile/cell phone number for Sam, and make the call. Once I press the button to hang up, the music resumes. It all integrates well together. Can I do this easily with the Tilt 2? My experience with older WM phones is that I couldn't do the whole thing without touching the phone, but maybe it would all be just as easy with the Tilt 2.

    So, I've come here to find out IF I could get a new WM phone work as well as the things I like about the iPhone, trying to learn from the pros who've used the newer phones. I was also hoping to find responses from people who've used an iPhone extensively and decided to keep/switch to a WM phone.

    I'm still on the fence, as there are things I love about the iPhone and things that I hate, but I can't choose sides without more information the Tilt 2 than is shown in reviews.
    Now that's a question I can wrap my brain around.

    OK here is how it works for me I don't use any devices that plug in so maybe someone else can tell us if it works the same way I have all Bluetooth devices.

    The scene I am driving down the road I have my TP2 connected to my Motorola T505 using the stereo audio profile only with the FM transmitter broadcast to my Truck stereo playing music from my 800+ songs stored on my SD Card. I have my Blueant Z9i connected to my TP2 using the hands free connection I tap the button on my Z9i Microsoft Voice command takes over stopping the music I hear in my ear "say command" I say "Call name here" I hear "Call name here" I say "yes" the call is dialed. After the call is completed the music starts playing and after a few seconds the call dial screen goes away and touch flow is displayed on the screen again. If a call comes in the music stops playing the PPC begins to ring with the sound coming through my truck speakers I tap the answer button on my Z9i the call is routed through my Z9i when the call is complete again the music starts playing the cycle continues. I believe this is how it would work with your TP2 connected through the plug in connection it would taking the place of my T505. I hope that answers your question.

    What else you got?

    Dave
    10-17-2009 08:22 AM
  16. Jeffp25's Avatar
    Great, thanks.

    I can buy a remote for the iPhone so that I can change tracks while driving without touching the phone (it attaches to the steering wheel), or I can press the Voice Command button on my Blue Ant and say "next track". Are either options workable with the TP2?

    By the way, I sat in my car in the cold for over an hour today waiting for my daughter, watching recorded video on my iPhone. By the end, the iPhone became very unresponsive to my dry hands because of the capacitive screen!

    (Typed on my iPhone.)
    10-17-2009 07:30 PM
  17. Jeffp25's Avatar
    I see that there is a workable remote option; HTC make a remote control headphone set where the headphones can be replaced with any standard set. That would allow me to connect the output of the remote to Aux In on my car - not as good as the iPhone wireless remote, but workable.
    10-17-2009 08:45 PM
  18. Jeffp25's Avatar
    Here's another big one for me against the iPhone.

    I have it set up to sync my e-mail, contacts, and calender with Exchange, as I need that for work. I also set up iTunes on my home PC to sync the contacts and calender. However, none of the calender events I enter on my iPhone sync with my home PC! I've checked the settings, and it says that they will sync, but they don't.

    I really hope I can get my hands on a Tilt 2 soon and check it out!
    10-17-2009 09:19 PM
  19. Dave Blake's Avatar
    I have been bowling all night and I am to drunk to comment . I will do some testing tomorrow and get back to you :)
    10-17-2009 10:26 PM
  20. nrfitchett4's Avatar
    If all you care about is music go with the iPhone. If you want to be able to surf the internet, run Sprint navigation while listening to music or Slingbox then answer a call go back navigation it auto updates your location even with the data connect interrupted by the call. End the call and the music starts playing without me even toughing the phone. I have been married for 18 years I love my wife but hers is the only face I want to have to see every day of my life. That is why I re skin my TP2 at least once a week. Did I mention that I wrote this post using my TP2 with this great qwerty I don't even need my laptop anymore. But like I said if all you need is music keep the iPhone.
    I noticed that on sprint nav. It is nice to answer the phone and then have the nav automatically get back going. (though it didn't the first time and I yelled at my wife for calling me). all other times it worked perfectly.
    10-18-2009 10:44 AM
  21. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Great, thanks.

    I can buy a remote for the iPhone so that I can change tracks while driving without touching the phone (it attaches to the steering wheel), or I can press the Voice Command button on my Blue Ant and say "next track". Are either options workable with the TP2?

    By the way, I sat in my car in the cold for over an hour today waiting for my daughter, watching recorded video on my iPhone. By the end, the iPhone became very unresponsive to my dry hands because of the capacitive screen!

    (Typed on my iPhone.)
    Wow that sounds dangerous, you have to attach something to the steering wheel?! With my TP2 I just tap the call button on my Z9i the music stops and in my ear I hear a beep sound I say "Next" I hear "Next tract" windows media advances to the next tract. I can say previous and it will go back one tract or I can say Play artist it will list all the artist for me then I can chose one. Works for Artist, Album, Genre or anything. This doesn't work with the Touch Flow player so you have to be using Windows Media player.

    I drove for 8 hours Friday watching Slingbox recorded TV shows from my DVR the shows took up ZERO memory on my PPC
    10-18-2009 01:12 PM
  22. Jeffp25's Avatar
    I went searching today. I went to two closer stores and neither had one: at one place, the rep didn't know what I was talking about, and at the second they had a dummy one and said they expect to get their's on the 28th. I was running out of time (I had to be somewhere), but I headed out to a big store in a local mall. They had one on display, and had sold the two that they had for sale. I finally got to plan with one, but briefly because I was out of time. I was impressed with the speed of the screen scrolling when I brushed it with my finger - this has typically been a weekness of resistance touch screens, but the Tilt2 screen felt as responsive as the iPhone.

    I'll keep looking. Maybe when I find one, I can talk them into selling me on a new phone number and then rolling it to my main account if I return the iPhone.
    10-18-2009 02:54 PM
  23. Jeffp25's Avatar
    >I drove for 8 hours Friday watching Slingbox recorded TV shows <

    Wow, that sounds dangerous.
    10-18-2009 06:17 PM
  24. Dave Blake's Avatar
    >I drove for 8 hours Friday watching Slingbox recorded TV shows <

    Wow, that sounds dangerous.
    Now thats hillarious lol funny ROFL :D:D
    10-18-2009 06:53 PM
  25. Jeffp25's Avatar
    Hmm, what happened to my post? Let's try again.

    While waiting for the Tilt 2 to become available, I've continued to play with the iPhone. Some more positives/negatives.

    It was nice to be able to get in my car, hook up the iPhone to the Aux in jack on my radio, press the button on my Bluetooth and say "play music" and have it start playing MP3 files. Later on, I switched to the next track by pressing the button and saying "next song", and then selected an different album by saying "play album Across the Universe", and finally "play artist Pink Floyd". And then I pressed the button and said "call home home" and it dialed the entry on my phone for home, paused the music until I was done, and the went back to playing. I don't know if a Windows Mobile phone can do this so effortlessly.

    On my Windows Mobile phone, I sync with my work contacts and calender automatically with Exchange. When I get home, I can connect to my home PC with a cable and sync with the contacts and calender at home. Because the phone keeps everything integrated, the contacts and calender on my home PC and work PC are essentially the same. With the iPhone, the two PCs are handled independently, and I can have the phone show just home stuff, just work stuff, or both - this is a plus if you want to keep home and work information segrated, but a minus if you want to keep everything synched (I do). In addition, if you want to add a contact from the "recent calls" list, you don't get a choice of where to put it: as far as I can tell, I can only add the contacts to my Exchange contact list, not to my personal contacts - which was a problem today when I wanted to add a personal contact. And once an item is in the Exchange contacts list, there's no easy way to move it. The Windows Mobile phones are definitely ahead here.
    10-20-2009 09:44 PM
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