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  1. selfcreation's Avatar
    And the implementation in the hospitals and other branches, lets say in schools for example. I know that in near future, tablets and slates will be primary in research and development, medicine, and other branches of daily life.
    unfortunately Apple Ipads have pretty much taken that market already :S , hopefully WP8 slate will stand out for them to possibly switch.

    if the slate does what we think it will , im sure MS wont have a problem :)
    11-23-2011 08:09 AM
  2. Curtieson's Avatar
    I could see the x86 slates that are over $500 being laptop replacements. Fully featured OS. Completely backward compatible.

    You could have a docking station at home complete with a keyboard and a USB 3.0 external hard drive. But when you want to just want to take it on the go, you can leave the keyboard and extra drive at home.

    In effect, it is two devices in one.
    Are you saying it is a desktop and slate or laptop and slate? I do not see them replacing a desktop...because desktops are just faster for cheaper...no way around that.

    If you are saying laptop and slate...that is just the Asus Transformer, so not a stretch in any form. (Snagged a tablet+keyboard = touch screen netbook replacement for $350)
    11-23-2011 08:16 AM
  3. Curtieson's Avatar
    And the implementation of the slates in near future will be huge, in the hospitals and other branches, lets say in schools for example. I know that in near future, tablets and slates will be primary in research and development, medicine, and other branches of daily life.
    We had window tablets in our warehouse back in 2007 (3 years before the iPad). They weren't popular because 1) they were nearly 3grand... 2) They were over an inch thick....3) AS400 didnt run well on them unless you had the one that looked like a blackberry on roids (meaning it had a built in keyboard)

    Basically...i am saying this isnt new...it is just cheaper now.
    11-23-2011 08:21 AM
  4. martin_strahilovski's Avatar
    We had window tablets in our warehouse back in 2007 (3 years before the iPad). They weren't popular because 1) they were nearly 3grand... 2) They were over an inch thick....3) AS400 didnt run well on them unless you had the one that looked like a blackberry on roids (meaning it had a built in keyboard)

    Basically...i am saying this isnt new...it is just cheaper now.
    Yes, you are right, slates were around before iPads, but iPads sell good because they are simple, thicker and fast. I think MS has done just that. The new OS with Metro UI is simple, fun for use, and don't need very big hardware for using. The right combination will be here!
    11-23-2011 08:44 AM
  5. selfcreation's Avatar
    its not really gona be the same,,,

    1. its basically gona be an Ipad/laptop on roids. imagine a SLATE running all your WP apps/games , Xbox Arcade games + run normal PC programs = nothing does that right now. note books dont do this Ipad dont do this. its gona be the best of both worlds.

    whatever slate we had before dint have the ecosystem of today . yes your right when you say its not new....

    but its like comparing WINDOWS 3.1 to WINDOWS 7 ... its gona be SOOOOO MUCH BETTER (hopefully)
    11-23-2011 08:48 AM
  6. Dr.Phil's Avatar
    yeah if the x86 vershion *replaces* my lap top , id be more then OK with it .. and would pay the 500$++

    as for the HP tx1000 being a slate , it really isnt , i was just a gimic rotating screen on a laptop with the first touch technologie.... doesnt compare to a Tablet/slate that are out or comming out in the market now a dayz.
    lrn2read please. I said

    . Microsoft defined a Tablet PC in 2001. There were several tablet PCs to come out before the iPad such as the HP tx1000. Why weren't they seen as revolutionary? Because they were just windows running on a screen that you could touch. There wasn't "apps" or anything that made them stand out. Doesn't mean there wasn't a tablet PC before the iPad. So, anyone who says there wasn't is just plain wrong. Now, the reason they call these new devices "slates" is because a tablet pc had a keyboard attached to it, while the slate will not have an attached keyboard.
    The argument was whether there was Tablet PCs before the iPad and there was. Microsoft is now defining "slate" as a keyboard-less tablet. So the iPad may have been the first "slate" device but not the first tablet.

    EDIT: Also, you said that a slate was going to be the first device to run FULL windows 8, well tablet PCs have been running FULL Windows XP and FULL Windows Vista and FULL Windows 7. Again the differentiation is that a Tablet PC has a keyboard attached, a slate does not have any keyboard attached.
    Last edited by wp7pwns; 11-23-2011 at 02:50 PM.
    11-23-2011 02:34 PM
  7. Dr.Phil's Avatar
    its not really gona be the same,,,

    1. its basically gona be an Ipad/laptop on roids. imagine a SLATE running all your WP apps/games , Xbox Arcade games + run normal PC programs = nothing does that right now. note books dont do this Ipad dont do this. its gona be the best of both worlds.

    whatever slate we had before dint have the ecosystem of today . yes your right when you say its not new....

    but its like comparing WINDOWS 3.1 to WINDOWS 7 ... its gona be SOOOOO MUCH BETTER (hopefully)
    Ok, first of all your desktop/notebook will be able to run FULL windows 8. What Microsoft wants in its ecosystem is Windows 8 to work across as many devices as possible. Therefore your notebook, desktop, and possibly netbook will be able to run all the windows apps and all of your games. And if for a second you think that gaming on a slate is going to be better than gaming on a desktop PC you will be wrong. But my point is that any notebook or desktop will be able to do the same thing you are saying. It isn't something that is going to be limited to your slate. You will be able to access your Xbox Live Arcade games from your notebook and desktop, you will be able to run PC programs (which you can even argue the iPad runs PC programs now with Office), and your WP apps. So, for everyone out there this ISN'T something LIMITED to the slate. It would be available on your laptop, desktop, and possibly netbook as well.
    11-23-2011 02:44 PM
  8. selfcreation's Avatar
    learn 2 read? lol all you did is prove me wrong by playing with words...

    you still called it a tablet.... it was CLEARLY a Laptop with a rotating screen...(HYBRID)

    using your logic i can say my Desktop PC is a slate because it uses a *flat touch screen*

    w/e ,if YOU would have read the post i posted after. you would relies I wasn’t arguing that slates where new or tablets where new or old.....

    im just saying its DIFFRENT from what we had and what we have now

    BTW: the Asus Transformer was a TABLET PC , not the HP tx1000 if you look up the description its actually described as a HYBRID between LAPTOP and a TABLET


    its not really gona be the same,,,

    1. its basically gona be an Ipad/laptop on roids. imagine a SLATE running all your WP apps/games , Xbox Arcade games + run normal PC programs = nothing does that right now. note books dont do this Ipad dont do this. its gona be the best of both worlds.

    whatever slate we had before dint have the ecosystem of today . yes your right when you say its not new....

    but its like comparing WINDOWS 3.1 to WINDOWS 7 ... its gona be SOOOOO MUCH BETTER (hopefully)
    11-23-2011 02:52 PM
  9. Dr.Phil's Avatar
    learn 2 read? lol all you did is prove me wrong by playing with words...

    you still called it a tablet.... it was CLEARLY a Laptop with a rotating screen...(HYBRID)

    using your logic i can say my Desktop PC is a slate because it uses a *flat touch screen*

    w/e ,if YOU would have read the post i posted after. you would relies I wasnt arguing that slates where new or tablets where new or old.....

    im just saying its DIFFRENT from what we had and what we have now

    BTW: the Asus Transformer was a TABLET PC , not the HP tx1000 if you look up the description its actually described as a HYBRID between LAPTOP and a TABLET

    PC World begs to differ.

    HP Pavilion tx1000 Laptop Computer Product Information | PCWorld

    "This easy-to-use tablet PC is graced with thoughtful design touches, but it had a short battery life in our tests."

    Keyword in there is tablet PC. And I'm not saying there aren't people that call Android and Apple products tablets, but what I'm saying is under Microsoft's definition a tablet PC runs a desktop version of their OS and has a touch screen input with an attached keyboard. That is why they are coming out with "slates" to differentiate from tablets in the attached keyboard department. Do you understand now? And nowhere did I say the definition of a tablet PC was a "flat touch screen", so I don't know why you brought up that under my definition a tablet PC would be your desktop. I didn't even fully define tablet PC but rather the difference between tablet PC and slate.

    This was the part I said:

    Now, the reason they call these new devices "slates" is because a tablet pc had a keyboard attached to it, while the slate will not have an attached keyboard.
    So nowhere did I say "Oh a tablet PC is anything with a flat screen." So thank you for putting out words such as "According to your definition" considering nowhere did I say the definition of a tablet is...

    And yes is the slate going to be different from what we had before, yes. But, you are making it sound like we never had mobile computers with touch screens running full windows OS and we did. Not to mention you are making it sound like ONLY the slate computers are going to have this special functionality that no other computer running Windows 8 will have and that's simply not true. The whole idea behind Microsoft's ecosystem is that you will be able to use your apps or watch your movies or play your games across many devices including desktops, notebooks, slates (tablet PCs), and your phone. That is what I am trying to clear up.
    11-23-2011 07:07 PM
  10. Reflexx's Avatar
    Are you saying it is a desktop and slate or laptop and slate? I do not see them replacing a desktop...because desktops are just faster for cheaper...no way around that.

    If you are saying laptop and slate...that is just the Asus Transformer, so not a stretch in any form. (Snagged a tablet+keyboard = touch screen netbook replacement for $350)
    Both scenarios would work for non-power users.

    A desktop may be cheap. But it's stuck at home. And a desktop plus an iPad is going to be more expensive than a Windows 8 slate.
    11-23-2011 11:26 PM
  11. Reflexx's Avatar
    We had window tablets in our warehouse back in 2007 (3 years before the iPad). They weren't popular because 1) they were nearly 3grand... 2) They were over an inch thick....3) AS400 didnt run well on them unless you had the one that looked like a blackberry on roids (meaning it had a built in keyboard)

    Basically...i am saying this isnt new...it is just cheaper now.
    You obviously haven't seen Windows 8.
    11-23-2011 11:28 PM
  12. Bacefabc's Avatar
    Me now:
    iPhone 4
    iPad
    Windows 7 laptop
    PS3

    Me in the future:
    Windows Phone 8
    Windows 8 Slate
    Same laptop but with Win 8
    XBOX 3/720

    Btw these Win 8 slates are going to cost $1000+ here in Denmark so stop the whining because of 200 bucks :-)
    Last edited by Bacefabc; 11-24-2011 at 08:51 AM.
    11-24-2011 08:40 AM
  13. selfcreation's Avatar
    i understand that the words tablet and slate are used lightly.

    i also understand that you don’t understand that all i was saying is * what we are going to have with the WP8 slates is different from what your showing me or what MS had out before. * (like the HP Pavilion tx1000 laptop or Asus Transformer tablet pc )

    PS. (HP Pavilion tx1000) If you go on the HP website they call it a NOTEBOOK , I trust HP`s OFFICIAL web site over your PC world Reporters ( no offence ) cause they normaly get the info from official sites and reps.

    HP Pavilion tx1000 CTO Notebook PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

    what I'm saying is under Microsoft's definition a tablet PC runs a desktop version of their OS and has a touch screen input with an attached keyboard.
    .. sooo any new laptops with touch screen is a Tablet PC ? your saying or MS is saying.. any touch screen with a keyboard...... so any high end laptops .....

    Yeah so the word tablet and slate are used lightly.

    How bout we just agree to disagree
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 11-24-2011 at 08:49 AM.
    11-24-2011 08:40 AM
  14. Reflexx's Avatar
    It doesn't matter if someone calls it a tablet ot slate really.

    I'm just going to call it awesome.
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    11-24-2011 10:14 AM
  15. martin_strahilovski's Avatar
    Me now:
    iPhone 4
    iPad
    Windows 7 laptop
    PS3

    Me in the future:
    Windows Phone 8
    Windows 8 Slate
    Same laptop but with Win 8
    XBOX 3/720

    Btw these Win 8 slates are going to cost $1000+ here in Denmark so stop the whining because of 200 bucks :-)
    Well i heard a rumor that the all Windows Ecosystem (WP8+Windows Slate+XBOX) can be both in packet in near future for good prize. That will be huge success for MS! I think that will be good deal to people who don't like spending much, but want to have it all :)
    11-24-2011 10:25 AM
  16. Dr.Phil's Avatar
    i understand that the words tablet and slate are used lightly.

    i also understand that you dont understand that all i was saying is * what we are going to have with the WP8 slates is different from what your showing me or what MS had out before. * (like the HP Pavilion tx1000 laptop or Asus Transformer tablet pc )

    PS. (HP Pavilion tx1000) If you go on the HP website they call it a NOTEBOOK , I trust HP`s OFFICIAL web site over your PC world Reporters ( no offence ) cause they normaly get the info from official sites and reps.

    HP Pavilion tx1000 CTO Notebook PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)



    .. sooo any new laptops with touch screen is a Tablet PC ? your saying or MS is saying.. any touch screen with a keyboard...... so any high end laptops .....

    Yeah so the word tablet and slate are used lightly.

    How bout we just agree to disagree
    Laptop Mag as well had the successor to the tx1000, the tx2000 defined as a Tablet PC. I think one of the reasons HP doesn't define it as such is because you could have gotten the device without the touchscreen. The Dell Latitude XT3 is considered by Dell to be a "Tablet PC". If you just look at the device you will see that it is identical in form factor the the tx1000. Tablet PC IS used loosely, HOWEVER it is defined by Microsoft which again is why they are going to define slate differently to distinguish from the two so that way when you go to the store you won't be confused by everything being under the umbrella of Tablet PC and there would be that differentiation.

    And of course it is going to be something different than what we had before because it will have Windows 8 and the ecosystem that comes with it. Again, I am not arguing that Windows 8 will not bring something revolutionary to our lives in the idea that it will work across a wide range of devices and you will have uniformity across devices. All I was trying to do was simply point out that there isn't anything that is unique to the slate in terms of what software wise it will offer. Any desktop or laptop will be able to run Windows 8 and run all of those types of Xbox Live games and Windows software. The reason I am pointing it out is so that those who don't like tablets (slates) should not have to feel that they are missing out on something by not purchasing one. And I don't think they are besides having a touchscreen interface.
    11-24-2011 03:23 PM
  17. based_graham's Avatar
    I would love to see a Nokia designed ultrabook with LTE support day 1 purchase i dont need a tablet if I have a phone
    11-24-2011 11:55 PM
  18. tissotti's Avatar
    I myself am actually waiting this even more than to pick up my Lumia 800 Cyan next month. I love the tablet W8 UI and i use ipad 2 a lot. Just want more from a tablet and W8 seems to offer that.
    Really waiting forward to see Nokia's take on ~10" tablet, slate, whatever you guys wanna call it. ;) Just hopefully it will be on sale around Q3 next year.

    Btw these Win 8 slates are going to cost $1000+ here in Denmark so stop the whining because of 200 bucks :-)
    Tell me about it. :D If Nokia was to release sexy looking 64GB or more memory 10inch screened high end tablet for 699€($926), i would consider that cheap.
    Last edited by tissotti; 11-26-2011 at 06:50 AM.
    11-26-2011 06:44 AM
  19. freedomx20a's Avatar
    I want a nice nokia w8 tablet or slate or ultrabook or transformer like asus. I would prefer a transformer type tablet because I like the keyboard dock but I like to surf the web laying down on the bed or couch. When I surf I like the tablet form.

    am i asking to much?? :P :P :P
    12-01-2011 05:13 AM
  20. Reflexx's Avatar
    I feel like I'd want an x86/x64 based slate because I am betting that there won't be too many WinRT apps yet available at launch. So it would be nice to have what is basically a full laptop computer that is backwards compatible with everything.

    The parts that make me somewhat hesitant are the price, battery, and heat.

    With an x86/x64 based processor, I'm guessing the prices will be around $200 more expensive than the ARM based slates.

    The x86 processors aren't as efficient as ARM based processors because x86/x64 never turn off. I believe that all cores will continue to run. ARM based processors can stop when not in use.

    x86/x64 based processors can get hot. So there will likely be a fan built in. And you won't want to just lay it on your pillow and use it for a few hours since there won't be good air circulation. Just like a laptop.

    The pros though...

    FAST and POWERFUL
    Full backward compatibility with other Windows programs
    With a docking station, it can replace a desktop/laptop for regular computer use.


    Intel is actually starting to do some nifty things with their processors. Hopefully they'll start to be able to get them to run cooler. Because the need of a fan is sort of a big issue.

    And some ARM processors are getting pretty powerful. Sure, they're not going to be used for anything hardcore. But it's not like I personally would be able to use any slate, even with a docking station, as a desktop replacement. Since I need more power than they can provide.
    12-01-2011 12:47 PM
  21. based_graham's Avatar
    All Windows + Nokia everything. So impressed with the Lumia Nokia is officially my go-to OEM
    12-07-2011 12:54 PM
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