1. Pronk's Avatar
    Interesting:

    Will Windows 8 for ARM tablets cut the cord on desktop mode? -- Engadget

    Can't say I'm hugely surprised by it if it comes to be true, but it does mean Windows 8 is getting a bit schizophrenic - ARM W8 tablets would basically be straight iPad competitors but not desktops in tablet form, and desktops/Intel tablets would have metro and the old-style desktop interface (and doubtless be more expensive, as you'd expect with the greater demand on hardware).
    12-02-2011 07:49 AM
  2. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    IMO, given all recent 10" ARM tablets launching are at 500usd.... and there are semi decent x86 tablets already avalible at that price.... unless if those 10" ARM tablets get cheap, fast, I don't see them outselling their full featured x86 counterparts (especially those with AMD's Z-01 APU onboard).

    Though AMD's recent decision to drop all of their GloFo projects and go straight for TSMC only might prevent their next gen APU from launching in time :(
    12-02-2011 11:07 AM
  3. Reflexx's Avatar
    I think it's a smart move. Because there are really two different kinds of customers.

    1. The ones that want it all
    2. The ones that just want quick on-the-go convenience

    Even if they were the same price, there are pros and cons to each.

    If you want it all:
    Pros
    Backwards compatible
    More power
    With a dock, can completely replace a laptop

    Cons
    Fans
    Heat
    Power consumption

    If you just want quick on-the-go convenience
    Pros
    A single interface
    A closed environment, so you don't have to worry about viruses
    Decreased complexity. Your grandma could learn to use it
    Increased battery life

    Cons
    No backward compatibility
    Less power (though may not matter with Metro Style Apps)

    I am also assuming that there will be minimum specs just like Windows Phone has. So any new slate running Windows 8 should be able to perform decently.
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    12-02-2011 03:19 PM
  4. starblade876's Avatar
    No. I had doubts it was true anyway from what they've said and shown.
    12-02-2011 04:04 PM
  5. threed61's Avatar
    I honestly don't think tablet users want desktop software, nor do I think those who need that software want to work on a tablet. It does make you wonder how MS will differentiate their tablets enough to entice people away from the iPad.
    12-02-2011 04:16 PM
  6. ninjaap's Avatar
    I honestly don't think tablet users want desktop software, nor do I think those who need that software want to work on a tablet. It does make you wonder how MS will differentiate their tablets enough to entice people away from the iPad.
    I do. I think current tablets (iPad and Android) are a waste of money, because they do the exact same things that their phone counter parts do, just a bigger screen. If I'm going to spend $500+ on a tablet I want it to do more than just give me a bigger screen to watch Netflix or play Angry Birds.
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    12-02-2011 04:23 PM
  7. theefman's Avatar
    I do. I think current tablets (iPad and Android) are a waste of money, because they do the exact same things that their phone counter parts do, just a bigger screen. If I'm going to spend $500+ on a tablet I want it to do more than just give me a bigger screen to watch Netflix or play Angry Birds.
    I think its up to Intel and AMD to get their processors efficient and powerful enough to negate the need for ARM chips. As stated above, current gen tablets are going for $500, roughly. A current Windows 7 tablet will basically be the same as a Windows 8 tablet apart from running on lower power but more efficient and powerful CPU/GPUS's (along with a few more sensors) so should work out to be the same price but compared to current Windows tablets will actually be usable by the consumer & power user alike.

    I'm not actually sure where ARM tablets are supposed to come in, unless its for the ultra cheap market, but if OEM's dont get greedy they should be able to price W8 tablets competitively next year.
    12-02-2011 04:56 PM
  8. threed61's Avatar
    I think its up to Intel and AMD to get their processors efficient and powerful enough to negate the need for ARM chips. As stated above, current gen tablets are going for $500, roughly. A current Windows 7 tablet will basically be the same as a Windows 8 tablet apart from running on lower power but more efficient and powerful CPU/GPUS's (along with a few more sensors) so should work out to be the same price but compared to current Windows tablets will actually be usable by the consumer & power user alike.

    I'm not actually sure where ARM tablets are supposed to come in, unless its for the ultra cheap market, but if OEM's dont get greedy they should be able to price W8 tablets competitively next year.
    I doubt anyone but Apple will be able to successfully be Able to charge $500+ for a tablet ever again.
    12-02-2011 06:26 PM
  9. Reflexx's Avatar
    I doubt anyone but Apple will be able to successfully be Able to charge $500+ for a tablet ever again.
    I disagree.

    I think a lot of people will pay twice that much for an x86/x64 based slate. Why? Because it's a full computer. Just like some people buy $1500 laptops.

    Though I do agree that it will be hard to sell an ARM based slate for over $500.
    12-02-2011 07:43 PM
  10. ninjaap's Avatar
    I doubt anyone but Apple will be able to successfully be Able to charge $500+ for a tablet ever again.
    I think W8 will be able to do this, no doubt. iPads are not needs, but wants (granted it is wanted by many). Not everyone who owns a PC or Mac has an iPad. But everyone has either a Windows or OSX.

    Give me a 10"-12", W8 tablet, and bundle it with a bluetooth KB. Now I got me a tablet (want) and full PC with keyboard (need) for work or travel. I'll gladly pay $500+ for that any day.
    12-02-2011 07:53 PM
  11. ninjaap's Avatar
    Though I do agree that it will be hard to sell an ARM based slate for over $500.
    I agree. I just don't see any use for ARM slates when you can currently buy W7 latops for under $500. I'm sure they will be selling W8s at the same price point ranges.
    12-02-2011 08:00 PM
  12. threed61's Avatar
    A huge chunk of people who have desktop/laptops, never use anything but the browser and media software. These are the folks Apple has very successfully marketed the iPad to. Those who want to do more, with portability, will buy laptops/ultralights/netbooks.
    I actually hope you're right, I'd love to see MS build a better tablet, but I don't think there's a market for it. Time will tell. The sooner we see windows 8 the better!
    12-02-2011 08:44 PM
  13. ninjaap's Avatar
    Maybe everyone is trying to look at W8 as an iPad killer. It will not be an iPad killer. People who buy an iPad will still buy a W8. But not the other way around. W8 will outsell the iPad, but will not kill it. I'll let the pic do talking:

    12-02-2011 09:29 PM
  14. manelscout4life's Avatar
    Maybe everyone is trying to look at W8 as an iPad killer. It will not be an iPad killer. People who buy an iPad will still buy a W8. But not the other way around. W8 will outsell the iPad, but will not kill it. I'll let the pic do talking:

    Click to view quoted image
    Is that one of the BUILD tablets or just the samsung series 7 retail one?
    12-02-2011 10:45 PM
  15. ninjaap's Avatar
    Is that one of the BUILD tablets or just the samsung series 7 retail one?
    I'm pretty sure that's the one MS handed out to people when they announced W8 earlier this year, because that is when that pic first surfaced. I just can't remember which blog I got it from. IIRC it was a Samsung.
    12-02-2011 11:15 PM
  16. manelscout4life's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure that's the one MS handed out to people when they announced W8 earlier this year, because that is when that pic first surfaced. I just can't remember which blog I got it from. IIRC it was a Samsung.
    O I thought it was yours, I've been looking to buy one. Samsung sells these now but I'm looking for the BUILD version.
    12-03-2011 01:40 AM
  17. ninjaap's Avatar
    O I thought it was yours, I've been looking to buy one. Samsung sells these now but I'm looking for the BUILD version.
    Oh no. Its not mine. Sorry if I led everyone think so. Im patiently waiting for the final version before I get one.
    12-03-2011 02:00 AM
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    12-03-2011 02:23 PM
  19. ninjaap's Avatar
    I'm thinking I want to wait till they release W8, because then there will be more OEMs releasing tablets. Therefore, more competition, which should lower prices a bit.
    12-03-2011 02:39 PM
  20. Reflexx's Avatar
    The current slates don't have all the sensors that the W8 slates will have. So it's a good idea to wait.

    The Samsung handed out at BUILD is a modified version of their W7 slate.
    12-03-2011 10:14 PM
  21. jfa1's Avatar
    I am looking to get a W8 tablet sop that I can put my bankruptcy filing program on(hopefully they will have a win8 compatible version) so I can file bankruptcy cases and put the case files in pdf form for the creditor meetings. I could put the case files on an ipad but I would also like to prepare and file the cases as well on it.
    12-04-2011 02:16 PM
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