06-09-2012 10:02 PM
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  1. Premium1's Avatar
    I doubt it hurts Verizon not having a new WP. Down the road I'm sure Verizon will carry more WP, but they probably feel they don't have to rush to support a platform that has less than 5% marketshare. Regardless I'm not switching, so I'll make do with the phones they carry.
    I think what verizon is doing is smart. They let at&t do all the advertising and then if the phones take off they can get on board because people will already know about the phones and sell alot. They just aren't selling that great now and not to many people are interested in WP no matter how polished and nice of an OS it is.
    03-28-2012 07:22 PM
  2. scottcraft's Avatar
    I think what verizon is doing is smart. They let at&t do all the advertising and then if the phones take off they can get on board because people will already know about the phones and sell alot. They just aren't selling that great now and not to many people are interested in WP no matter how polished and nice of an OS it is.
    I agree. That's similar to how it worked out for them with the iPhone, which is their top selling phone by far.
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    03-28-2012 09:38 PM
  3. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    "Rumor: Lumia 900 coming to Verizon Wireless in Q4 2013"
    I don't want to wait an entire year for a new phone. -_- Might as well pick up the Trophy at this point. Worthless, Verzion... Worthless.
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    03-28-2012 09:58 PM
  4. thed's Avatar
    I don't want to wait an entire year for a new phone. -_- Might as well pick up the Trophy at this point. Worthless, Verzion... Worthless.
    That was actually a joke, just making fun of the fact that Verizon likes to offer their Windows Phones a lot later than everyone else.

    Hopefully we'll see something by the end of 2012.

    Sent from my HTC Trophy using Board Express
    03-29-2012 12:33 AM
  5. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    Hopefully Verizon sees something soon, I'm so itchy to get my hands on a WP.
    03-29-2012 05:03 AM
  6. gapost's Avatar
    Although the Trophy has been out almost for a year, I recently got and am very surprised and pleased with the performance. It's fast, smooth, and runs WP very well. It's solid and well-built. No, I probably wouldn't lock myself into a two-year contract, but it is an excellent phone and will easily get you through the rest of the year.
    03-29-2012 07:01 AM
  7. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    Although the Trophy has been out almost for a year, I recently got and am very surprised and pleased with the performance. It's fast, smooth, and runs WP very well. It's solid and well-built. No, I probably wouldn't lock myself into a two-year contract, but it is an excellent phone and will easily get you through the rest of the year.
    Yeah, now to find one off-contract for like $100. I'm not going to use my upgrade, and I'm not spending $400 on the device. Been watching ebay for quite some time now, waiting to see if a Trophy will pop up that bids for under at least $150, so I could see if I can pull some strings and get one.
    03-29-2012 01:04 PM
  8. jleebiker's Avatar
    Agreed. I'm hanging in there. but DANG it's hard to wait!!!
    03-29-2012 03:08 PM
  9. WayCool's Avatar
    Except when they said about lte the 4s had been out for awhile. Maybe at least use a source that was said before a phone came out... Every wp device so far is mediocre.
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    LOL seriously ! Clearly you are employed by VZW.... Or know someone that is...

    No.. I'm talking BEFORE the 4s was announced. We can bicker about quoting sources... the fact is...

    The 900 is every bit as competitive as the 4s .. and I would argue the Focus S is equally competitive with any other device .. especially since WP7 has no need for mulitple cores to produce a wonderfully fluid experience...

    Fact is... well the facts are that if you are on vzw and you want a cool WP7.. you have one option .. get the heck away from vzw.

    I did.. and more will follow.... But i'm sure vzw is too arrogant to care... good for them again...
    03-29-2012 11:30 PM
  10. CHIP72's Avatar
    waycoolkennel - I think for many people (probably the majority of people) out there, the quality of the service they receive is their #1 priority. If you don't have good service, your smartphone, no matter how wonderful it is, becomes a glorified paperweight. I think Verizon was the largest carrier in the U.S. BEFORE they got the iPhone in early 2011, which shows how important service quality is to many people.

    I'm fortunate to be in a financial position where I can have 2 lines and can buy devices on all the mobile OS to test them out and play around with them, so I have a Trophy and am quite happy with it (except for some e-mail issues I've discussed elsewhere). I'm also lucky to not be up for contract renewal on the first (primary) line until August 2012, so I can be patient and wait for Windows 8 phones when they come out later this year. I DO think Verizon will carry Windows 8 phones, perhaps not immediately at launch, but not too long after.

    Verizon is a conservative company that focuses on maintaining its infrastructure rather than focusing on bells and whistles. That shows up in their service quality and coverage. They have never failed to support a smartphone platform that was reasonably popular and available for them to sell. If the Windows Phone is even a moderate success (which honestly it is not right now), I'm pretty sure VZW will sell it. People just need to be patient, as hard as that may be.
    Last edited by CHIP72; 03-30-2012 at 10:37 AM.
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    03-30-2012 12:06 AM
  11. scottcraft's Avatar
    Verizon is a conservative company that focuses on maintaining its infrastructure rather than focusing on bells and whistles. That shows up in their service quality and coverage. They have never failed to support a smartphone platform that was reasonably popular and available for them to sell. If the Windows Phone is even a moderate success (which honestly it is not right now), I'm pretty sure VZW will sell it. People just need to be patient, as hard as that may be.
    I agree with this. Verizon will carry more WP eventually, I just think they are waiting for the platform to become more popular. As it is they aren't hurting at all by not carrying any of the new WP.
    03-30-2012 09:25 AM
  12. Premium1's Avatar
    ...

    LOL seriously ! Clearly you are employed by VZW.... Or know someone that is...

    No.. I'm talking BEFORE the 4s was announced. We can bicker about quoting sources... the fact is...

    The 900 is every bit as competitive as the 4s .. and I would argue the Focus S is equally competitive with any other device .. especially since WP7 has no need for mulitple cores to produce a wonderfully fluid experience...

    Fact is... well the facts are that if you are on vzw and you want a cool WP7.. you have one option .. get the heck away from vzw.

    I did.. and more will follow.... But i'm sure vzw is too arrogant to care... good for them again...
    When they said about lte it was after the 4s, and no i dont work for verizon or know anyone who works for verizon. Like i said verizon isn't the first to jump on something, they did fine for 2 years without the iphone which sells 100X better than any and all WP so they can take their time with this to. People care more about being able to have a connection first and what phones second. And not to mention I would hope a phone that comes out months later would be competitive to an older model phone in this case the 4s.
    03-30-2012 10:57 AM
  13. WayCool's Avatar
    LOL I'm pretty sure the Focus S was out before the 4s... but I digress.. they (vzw) can be described as "conservative" (thinking about DROID marketing barrage before they had the iPhone and &droid was not popular.. i.e. ero) .. its just not reality. They clearly gambled on moto droid... and why? Because they were losing their arse to the iPhone which they also turned down (arrogance again).

    It's also not reality that the coverage is THAT much different between AT&T and vzw .. might look at the map again. Are there specific places where one carrier is better than another ? Absolutely ! I seem to remember fishing in SE Alaska where my brother had AT&T and I had vzw . he had service to call for help when the impeller when out on our boat. So yes in very specific instances yes there is a difference, overall .. not so much.

    In addition.. vzw sells their network now based on LTE coverage not phone service or even 3g .. yep... pretty sure 99% of smart phone users dont need LTE (20 mbs) to their phone.. just ask all the users with an iPhone.. :) they seem to be getting along just fine...

    I think this thread has run its course... I'm not sure why anyone would defend vzw on this particular forum.... but ok good for them again ;) maybe I'll buy some stock :) Not.

    vzw has been lucky at best with their phone platform decisions.. good network? sure but the gap is closing for virtually all users' needs to a phone..

    Personally ... I hope MS and Nokia tell vzw to shove it... of course they wont but that would make me giggle...

    as I said YMMV...

    I understand this is basically a consumer forum.. and I suppose most believe my opinion is that of a 15 yr old kid mouthing off.. the reality is I'm an IT Manager that influences all decisions related to corporate devices. &droid will NEVER at this point have access to either our corporate network or our email system via EAS. WP7 yes. iPhone yes. Blackberry Yes (but who can justify managing BES servers given the functionality available on other platforms just ask Dell) So take those two options and suddenly things look very different from a carrier perspective especially when you start talking private (cloud) marketplace for LOB apps etc... not to mention things like Office, Sharepoint, Lync, OneNote, SCCM management etc...

    Good luck with it vzw... wait til its popular first.. good for you.. IMO after expressing these concerns to vzw reps etc.. etc.. they dont care I'm supposed to buy what they sell end of discussion .. PURE ARROGANCE.

    Again.. YMMV.. Good luck with it ;)
    03-31-2012 01:21 AM
  14. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    Once people start declining Verizon, and go to AT&T because of WP... I wonder how that's going to look on Verizon's part. Going to lose so many customers because of this, it's not going to hurt them over all but it definitely will be a percentage loss. If I wasn't grandfathered into Verizon right now, and didn't need an ETF... I probably would switch to AT&T.
    03-31-2012 01:37 AM
  15. scottcraft's Avatar
    I have good coverage and a great plan with Verizon so I'm not going anywhere, but I can see why some of you would. I'm curious as to what percentage you guys think Verizon will lose to other carriers over WP? I know we enjoy using WP, but the platform doesn't even have 5% market share yet. Am I underestimating the number of people that will switch for a windows phone?

    Sent from my Windows 7 phone using Board Express
    03-31-2012 07:00 AM
  16. psiu_glen's Avatar
    If I wasn't roped into VZW so heavily (grandfathered voice, data, & text plans, Network Extender, family plan, 18% corporate discount, great coverage in the UP, etc) I would leave for a better phone. Especially where I could swap different phones easily.
    03-31-2012 05:46 PM
  17. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    If I wasn't roped into VZW so heavily (grandfathered voice, data, & text plans, Network Extender, family plan, 18% corporate discount, great coverage in the UP, etc) I would leave for a better phone. Especially where I could swap different phones easily.
    I'm in the same exact position. I'm grandfathered in as well, and plus it would be an expensive ETF, then to have to buy a contract and everything.. just way to much money. Even though my family plan is close to $300 a month, it's ridiculous.
    03-31-2012 10:07 PM
  18. Polychrome's Avatar
    They have no grudge it is about making money. WP still isn't selling that well and verizon isn't going to go all in on something that isn't a proven seller. Plus I am sure they will be just fine without you as a customer, they have another 80+ million to worry about. Not to mention when the first wp devices came out they were all pretty mediocre.
    No, that's not true either. It's selling pretty good for a phone that is neither marketed nor pushed by the reps.

    Besides, I swear Android is *why* we're always busy worrying about those other customers. Android is good and sturdy when left well enough alone, but ugh...the bloatware-infested slugs the manufacturers are always pushing into the hands of people who can't operate their toaster, much less a smartphone! They call us back 6 months later *DEMANDING* iPhones because they've had six droid-somethingorother warranty replacements in a row, all of which were sent out because the reps are similarly unable to figure out why these phones can't seem to stay stable.

    (I consider myself pretty good, and I rarely give up on the hardware without absolute proof that it's responsible, but it shouldn't be so hard that PC-techs have trouble figuring it out.)

    It's not also completely the reps' faults that they don't tell more customers about WP7 either. The website pricing undercuts what the reps are able to sell it for by $150. Why? Because VZW is getting increasingly more aggressive about selling LTE, which has cheaper bandwidth for all if we can keep getting people to adopt it. VZW wants the reps to push it. They don't even really want us proactively selling iPhones anymore, which are restrictively expensive to US because of their overly high full-retail price. VZW doesn't hate WP, they just really really love LTE, and the manufacturers are churning out more LTE androids than other types of phones.

    In a nutshell, before we see any more WP devices, what needs to happen is a CDMA/LTE Windows Phone. This may tie into the rumors people heard about a non-lte lumia being cancelled. Still, if AT&T can have LTE Lumias, where's ours? :P Well, for what it's worth, I've heard rumors and murmurs and mutterings, but nothing I can give as any sort of proof or truth, or even what potential devices may happen. Sorry. :(
    04-02-2012 12:59 PM
  19. Raptor007's Avatar
    They have no grudge it is about making money. WP still isn't selling that well and verizon isn't going to go all in on something that isn't a proven seller. Plus I am sure they will be just fine without you as a customer, they have another 80+ million to worry about. Not to mention when the first wp devices came out they were all pretty mediocre.
    Verizon had no issues putting their money behind Android with the first "Droid" phone and it was a far from proven platform and several years later its a fragmented, chopped up, schizophrenic OS. As someone who has owned more smartphones from BlackBerry, iOS, Android and WP7 that would make your head spin I can say Verizon could make the WP platform rain money from on high.

    Simple reason is they want bloatware, bloatware, bloatware and nothing less will do.
    04-14-2012 05:40 PM
  20. Raptor007's Avatar
    Indeed the numbers dont lie it costs Verizon no more to sell WP7 than it does android or ios. Reasons short of the truth not to carry a decent device are excuses its that simple. (truth is they are pissed at MS )

    In fact I would argue it costs them money not having a legitimate WP7 offering... afterall I left to AT&T because of it. Lost sales especially in data plans (contracts) do not make
    them MORE money.

    I would also argue that it costs them LESS to sell addtional WP7 devices than it does android since the UI and OS is the same for all devices.

    I would offer proof of their excuses: VZW stated they turned down the Nokia device due to not having LTE support and they want ALL their smart phones to have LTE built in. ALTHOUGH .. they have the iPhone 4s. Hmm...

    Why dont they just come out and state they are pissed at MS? Then WP7 enthusiasts can just switch carriers and stop wondering if a decent WP7 device will ever come to VZW.

    Oh.. and first generation WP7 devices are not mediocre.. in fact I'm still using an i917.. it makes the trophy look ... well.. mediocre ;) Next stop.. LUMIA 900
    Not sure, but I recall Verizon stating they will only be adding LTE capable phones in 2012, hence the iP4S was released in 2011 with 3G and we already know the next iphone will have LTE (rumored yet a given). So its possible that Nokia didn't have a CDMA/LTE device ready for 2012 and would only have had a 3G device. If that is the case then I see VZW saying no thanks until you can get one ready.

    As for marketing devices, customers come in some know what they want, some are blind and will only get an iOS device and the vast majority are still first time Smartphone customers.

    The OEM's pitch the hardware, the carriers agree to the hardware and then test it and release it and market it. If the OEM's are pitching Verizon what they want, which is LTE WP7/WP8 devices then Verizon won't bite.

    I for one will give VZW until EOY to roll out a WP8 device with LTE and it better be high end not some mid-range POS. Otherwise I may have to go despite the poor AT&T coverage (god help us all).
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    04-14-2012 05:53 PM
  21. jfa1's Avatar
    ATT's coverage fine here in Western Arkansas! Have you received the trophy 8107 update? If so did it help improve your device?
    04-14-2012 06:56 PM
  22. GreenScrew's Avatar
    Although the Trophy has been out almost for a year, I recently got and am very surprised and pleased with the performance. It's fast, smooth, and runs WP very well. It's solid and well-built. No, I probably wouldn't lock myself into a two-year contract, but it is an excellent phone and will easily get you through the rest of the year.
    x2

    OP/ED:
    I've only had my Trophy a couple days. The Droid Incredible it replaced was extremely stable (didn't lock-up, or need rebooting... ever). The responsiveness of the Trophy, and well thought out interface of WP7, is a real winner in my initial assessment after having Android for 3 years. I've never owned an iPhone, but have an iPad - and I think for the phone platform WP7 could easily win out too bad it got such a late start. There are a couple apps that I really miss, just as I miss the "free" tethering/wifi hotspot capability I had with my Incredible. I hope the apps catch up a bit, and then the WP7/8 phone has potential to be a i/droid killer. If it wouldn't affect performance, I'd like to have one more set of tiles to work with.

    I won't be leaving Verizon, but hope they have a new WP available this fall. Can't believe I had to pay for a refurbed Trophy and could have gotten the latest and greatest HTC Android phone for free. But I did, and so far I'm happy I did. Maybe its old technology, but it sure works great, and performs fast!
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    04-15-2012 08:26 PM
  23. gapost's Avatar
    x2

    OP/ED:
    I've only had my Trophy a couple days. The Droid Incredible it replaced was extremely stable (didn't lock-up, or need rebooting... ever). The responsiveness of the Trophy, and well thought out interface of WP7, is a real winner in my initial assessment after having Android for 3 years. I've never owned an iPhone, but have an iPad - and I think for the phone platform WP7 could easily win out too bad it got such a late start. There are a couple apps that I really miss, just as I miss the "free" tethering/wifi hotspot capability I had with my Incredible. I hope the apps catch up a bit, and then the WP7/8 phone has potential to be a i/droid killer. If it wouldn't affect performance, I'd like to have one more set of tiles to work with.

    I won't be leaving Verizon, but hope they have a new WP available this fall. Can't believe I had to pay for a refurbed Trophy and could have gotten the latest and greatest HTC Android phone for free. But I did, and so far I'm happy I did. Maybe its old technology, but it sure works great, and performs fast!
    Check out the Trophy forums on XDA Developers. You can get several custom roms, one, at least, includes Tethering.

    HTC Trophy - xda-developers
    04-15-2012 08:39 PM
  24. craighwk's Avatar
    Sounds like some good news coming out of Verizon.

    "Verizon Chief Financial Officer Fran Shammo, speaking on a conference call today, said he was "fully supportive" of Microsoft and talked about the need for a third mobile ecosystem in the industry."

    Will Verizon throw its weight behind Windows Phone? | Mobile - CNET News

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    This is great news! Hopefully we'll get that sweet sounding Nokia PureView phone!
    04-19-2012 12:39 PM
  25. Raptor007's Avatar
    Now we have to wait and see just what Verizon rolls out. Will it be the rumored high end Nokia phone with WP8 and an HD screen or some middle of the road device. My hope is we get the rumored Nokia high end gear.
    04-22-2012 12:02 PM
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