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  1. holzlondon's Avatar
    Can anyone out there sumarize any real details on possibly when Nokia's PureView technology will be added to their upcoming WP devices? Or at least when we can hear some news on that front?

    I know it was stated that it would become available, but nothing more.

    I'm more and more impressed with my wife's Lumia, but because I'm such a camera fanatic, I've been sticking with my N8, whose camera is still unmatched IMO, but lacks in many other areas.

    I see all the cool stuff on WP that I'm missing out on, and I'm dying for a new phone but have no idea until when I have to wait.

    (I know, first world problems - big time. But I find it so curious that it was announced some time ago, and there has been absolutely ZERO news recently)
    06-13-2012 02:34 AM
  2. vp710's Avatar
    06-13-2012 03:23 AM
  3. tissotti's Avatar
    Can anyone out there sumarize any real details on possibly when Nokia's PureView technology will be added to their upcoming WP devices? Or at least when we can hear some news on that front?

    I know it was stated that it would become available, but nothing more.

    I'm more and more impressed with my wife's Lumia, but because I'm such a camera fanatic, I've been sticking with my N8, whose camera is still unmatched IMO, but lacks in many other areas.

    I see all the cool stuff on WP that I'm missing out on, and I'm dying for a new phone but have no idea until when I have to wait.

    (I know, first world problems - big time. But I find it so curious that it was announced some time ago, and there has been absolutely ZERO news recently)
    It has receantly been confirmed that PureView comes to Windows Phone. But really it was clear from the start. Like Nokia's camera guru Damian Dinning said on the release of Nokia 808 PureView when asked about Windows Phone PureView device "do you think we would launch technology developed for 5 years that involved 450 people just for it to make appearance on one device? That's all i can say".


    Only thing i fear is how long it will take. PureView needs very customized hardware with own chip even inside the camera sensor just to make that 41MP even possible. Custom isn't really the word to descripe Windows Phone and that's before they get the hardware to WP and then do the software work for the Nokia developed algorithms. I doubt there's any possibility for first wave WP8 PureView phones.
    06-13-2012 01:20 PM
  4. ejb222's Avatar
    I disagree. Why wouldn't they make it a priority? Win8-WP8 is a big release for MS and why not kick it off with a Pureview Lumia HD? The tech is already produced...I imagine it would be easier to transfer it to newer hardware than it was to create the tech in the first place. I'm not saying it will be the first phone out of the gates...but why not 3 months or less afterwards? I bet you see it in ads as soon as WP8 phones are released.

    Who else has this hardware? Why wouldnt you get this out asap or at least build interest asap?

    P.S. I don't claim to know what I'm talking about...its purely conversational :P
    06-13-2012 04:20 PM
  5. vp710's Avatar
    FWIW, I thought the comment on the link I provided emphasized a problem for the implementation of PureView: the big bulge it creates on the back of the phone and the fact that everyone's obsessed with how thin their devices are. So until Nokia manages to miniaturize the technology, we'll either get a watered down version of it or that protruding lens. Well, that's how I understand it, I may be wrong.
    06-13-2012 05:04 PM
  6. ejb222's Avatar
    I hear you...I certainly wouldn't mind the bulge...as long as the rest of the phone was worth it. I would not upgrade to a Pureview if the rest of the hardware was basically and L900. But if it had HD screen dual core etc...I wont care about the bulge.
    06-13-2012 05:12 PM
  7. vp710's Avatar
    I hear you...I certainly wouldn't mind the bulge...as long as the rest of the phone was worth it. I would not upgrade to a Pureview if the rest of the hardware was basically and L900. But if it had HD screen dual core etc...I wont care about the bulge.
    Yeah I wouldn't care either. I actually like that it's different, but I'm sure the vast majority of smartphone user wouldn't, and that's what counts. Nokia isn't going to introduce a flagship WP with a protruding Pureview lens if they can't sell it.
    06-13-2012 06:14 PM
  8. tissotti's Avatar
    Btw here's some normal users who have taken pictures on 808 PureView that went on sale last week at certain countries around the world. Just unbelievable.

    8mp purrview close-up mode
    Flickr: sheridan01's Photostream

    Flickr: sheridan01's Photostream

    Via Can you believe these photos where taken by a mobile phone? (Nokia 808 PureView edition) | nokiagadgets.com


    I disagree. Why wouldn't they make it a priority? Win8-WP8 is a big release for MS and why not kick it off with a Pureview Lumia HD? The tech is already produced...I imagine it would be easier to transfer it to newer hardware than it was to create the tech in the first place. I'm not saying it will be the first phone out of the gates...but why not 3 months or less afterwards? I bet you see it in ads as soon as WP8 phones are released.

    Who else has this hardware? Why wouldnt you get this out asap or at least build interest asap?

    P.S. I don't claim to know what I'm talking about...its purely conversational :P

    I really, really hope you are right. Because lets say 22MP PureView "light" on a high specced big screened HD Windows Phone would be exactly what Nokia and Microsoft need on the launch of first Apollo phones.
    I'm just skeptical they can make all that happen as first wave Apollo phones seem to be build for one SoC in mind. Can Nokia make the PureView tech work on it? MSM8960 by Qualcomm is more than likely going to be found from every first gen WP8 device, it supports cameras up to 20MP.

    Like i said Nokia had highly customized hardware (with it's old friends that are not partners on Windows Phone, like Broadcom, Texas instruments and Toshiba) on 808 PureView paired with a OS they own and can do whatever they want. Can they get all that aligned for the first wave devices? I remain skeptical, just hope it wont take too long.
    Nokia's execs and bosses just haven't seemed to be hyping PureView on WP too much yet. More likes comments that we will see PureView on WP "someday"
    Last edited by tissotti; 06-13-2012 at 07:31 PM.
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    06-13-2012 07:14 PM
  9. btgusto's Avatar
    The pure view technology is independent of the number of pixels. Meaning that 8mp and 12mp can be pure view as well not just 41mp. Creating thin lumias with pureview, Right?
    06-13-2012 09:31 PM
  10. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Does the 808 use a BSI sensor? That matters alot more than MP count...
    06-13-2012 09:50 PM
  11. tissotti's Avatar
    Does the 808 use a BSI sensor? That matters alot more than MP count...
    Does it matter when it can take shots like that in that lighting? :D
    I would imagine it has BSI sensor thinking it's the successor of N8 that had it and like most of the other Nokia high end phones.
    No idea why they did what they did on Windows Phones. :(

    The pure view technology is independent of the number of pixels. Meaning that 8mp and 12mp can be pure view as well not just 41mp. Creating thin lumias with pureview, Right?
    Sure 12MP could be PureView, but you lose pretty much all of the benefits with lossless zooming and binning/oversampling the pictures. My guess is that the "light" version would be in the 18-22MP range.
    06-14-2012 08:11 AM
  12. sinime's Avatar
    I'd buy this rumored WP8, with Pureview, in a heart beat. http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012/...-gpu-on-board/

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    06-14-2012 01:17 PM
  13. ejb222's Avatar
    I would too. I love the different shape! Give me an HD port and an awesome condensor mic and I'd pay for that phone!
    06-14-2012 04:58 PM
  14. sinime's Avatar
    I would too. I love the different shape! Give me an HD port and an awesome condensor mic and I'd pay for that phone!
    It just looks sexy... And it's different than everything else out there.
    06-14-2012 10:10 PM
  15. Windows Winner's Avatar
    Apollo and Nokia with PureView technology - one small step for man - one giant leap for mankind - IMHO.

    Now if only Microsoft could get Neil Armstrong to promote Windows 8 Phone - WOW.
    06-16-2012 08:11 PM
  16. freestaterocker's Avatar
    One issue with that concept phone: practicality. Are you going to just carry it in your hand 24/7? Cuz it ain't going into your pocket, that's for damn sure.
    06-16-2012 09:58 PM
  17. sinime's Avatar
    One issue with that concept phone: practicality. Are you going to just carry it in your hand 24/7? Cuz it ain't going into your pocket, that's for damn sure.
    Idk, the side view looks bulky at the ends but thin in the middle. I'd have to feel one in my hand to truly pass judgement, but it doesn't look too big to me.

    Edit: plus it's not a standard slab. Most phones you see in the wild, you have to ask or wait till a person goes to the home screen to tell what OS it has because they all look the same. That phone is unique, you could see one across a room and either A) know what it is. Or B) be curious as to what it is.
    Last edited by sinime; 06-16-2012 at 10:56 PM.
    06-16-2012 10:50 PM
  18. freestaterocker's Avatar
    There's no way it's going in your pocket comfortably regardless of size. It comes to 2 sharp edges with a massive concave between... I would prefer it to retain the styling of the 808.
    06-16-2012 10:57 PM
  19. sinime's Avatar
    It could conform, sideways, to your leg... How my iCrap sits in my pocket now.

    Actually, it may not be much bigger than an iPhone. Aspect ratio differences and all.
    06-16-2012 11:19 PM
  20. astraith's Avatar
    I disagree. Why wouldn't they make it a priority? Win8-WP8 is a big release for MS and why not kick it off with a Pureview Lumia HD? The tech is already produced...I imagine it would be easier to transfer it to newer hardware than it was to create the tech in the first place. I'm not saying it will be the first phone out of the gates...but why not 3 months or less afterwards? I bet you see it in ads as soon as WP8 phones are released.

    Who else has this hardware? Why wouldnt you get this out asap or at least build interest asap?

    P.S. I don't claim to know what I'm talking about...its purely conversational :P
    The hardware wouldn't be the hard part. With PureView, Nokia owned the OS. They could do whatever they wanted. With WP, Nokia is limited to what MS can do. But, Nokia has know about PureView from the start of this relationship, and I can only assume Microsoft has too. It's going to happen, but maybe not this year.

    Those specs match up with what we now know for WP8, pretty much, right? Sound's possible. Hopefully we will see Nokia Lumia PureView (or Nokia Lumia pv900) this year, but I doubt it for above reasons.
    06-21-2012 01:11 PM
  21. ninjaap's Avatar
    A WP Pureview will definitely be my first WP8 device. Hoping it'll come out by my next upgrade, next Aug. Probably have WP8.5 by then!
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    06-21-2012 01:21 PM
  22. Winterfang's Avatar
    I need pureview in my life also. Its wasted on that Symbian phone.
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    06-21-2012 01:49 PM
  23. tissotti's Avatar
    The hardware wouldn't be the hard part. With PureView, Nokia owned the OS. They could do whatever they wanted. With WP, Nokia is limited to what MS can do. But, Nokia has know about PureView from the start of this relationship, and I can only assume Microsoft has too. It's going to happen, but maybe not this year.



    Those specs match up with what we now know for WP8, pretty much, right? Sound's possible. Hopefully we will see Nokia Lumia PureView (or Nokia Lumia pv900) this year, but I doubt it for above reasons.
    Agree with you.

    Just one point being that the first devices at least wont come with Adreno 320GPU, but with Adreno 225. Essentially same SoC found from One X.
    Qualcomm confirms the SoC found from the launch WP8 devices (MSM8960, Adreno 225) | nokiagadgets.com

    Supports upto 20MP. 41MP support on 808 was possible because of the internal GPU that was paired with another GPU inside the camera module itself. This is the kind special work that will probably take time in WP as Nokia can't just put whatever hardware it wants and make the drivers and software around it like could with Symbian.

    Can't see it happening this year, hopefully somewhere in 1H of 2013.
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    06-22-2012 03:39 PM
  24. Satchef1's Avatar
    The hardware wouldn't be the hard part. With PureView, Nokia owned the OS. They could do whatever they wanted. With WP, Nokia is limited to what MS can do. But, Nokia has know about PureView from the start of this relationship, and I can only assume Microsoft has too. It's going to happen, but maybe not this year.
    I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned at the developer even last week that Nokia have been working on WP8's camera app. They brought Lenses and many general improvements to the table. Why not PureView as well? If they were this involved then there's every chance that they were able to add PureView support in as well.
    06-27-2012 07:17 PM
  25. Adyhooper's Avatar
    There are so many Nokia phone have windows operating system. According to some rumours Nokia declared news about PureView Windows Phone project in USA. This Nokia Pureview will include Windows 8 version.
    Last edited by adyhooper; 07-20-2012 at 12:35 AM.
    07-19-2012 08:56 AM
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