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  1. Reflexx's Avatar
    Daniel from here, and Josh Topolsky from the Verge has both tweeted that they've tried the camera and are impressed.

    PureMotion HD Plus, Cinemagraph, Optical Image Stabilization, Smart Shoot, Nokia Music, JBL boom box and headphones, "mitten touch" display ;-P, camera "lenses", screen shots, charging stations, better Clear Black Display, City Lens, Nokia Maps...

    They're in the lead as far as the high-end Windows Phone devices. The only thing missing is a freaking SD card for the Lumia 920.
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    09-05-2012 12:23 PM
  2. bear_lx's Avatar
    whats with all the samsung love and nokia bashing?
    there is nothing game changing about samsung either... cheap hardware, horrible radios that lose signal, poor speakers... furthermore everyone in my family has had issues with samsung products, blu ray players, tv's, ect...

    and to the OP, why do you want what everyone else has? be different man! plus it comes in black
    09-05-2012 12:56 PM
  3. Mitlov's Avatar
    whats with all the samsung love and nokia bashing?
    there is nothing game changing about samsung either... cheap hardware, horrible radios that lose signal, poor speakers... furthermore everyone in my family has had issues with samsung products, blu ray players, tv's, ect...

    and to the OP, why do you want what everyone else has? be different man! plus it comes in black
    Not bashing, just disappointment. Nokia set the bar high by picketing the Samsung Ativ S release event (seriously, they had "protesters" at Samsung's event telling people to wait for the Nokia release instead). But I don't see many objective advantages over the lighter, larger-screened, micro-SD-card-equipped Ativ S. Wireless charging is a gimmick (you still have to lay it on the desk to charge) and I've never felt the need to wear mittens while using my smartphone. Not to mention the whole bait-and-switch thing with the Pureview name. The 808 Pureview was game-changing hardware. Now they're just claiming superior software layered over unremarkable smartphone hardware.

    Sorry you've had bad luck with Samsung products. My nine-year-old Samsung TV works just fine.
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    09-05-2012 01:31 PM
  4. mb-dape's Avatar
    More important than "is it enough to hold up against Samsung Ativ and HTCs WP8?", is it really something that will make iOS and Android users switch?

    comScore reported yesterday that WP/WM lost 10 % of their market share in the last 4 months and is down to 3.6 % now.

    Attracting new smartphone buyers will not be enough, WP needed a real game changer that made people seriously consider buying a WP device instead of the new iPhone or another Android.

    The Lumia 920 looks like a great phone, but when it comes to hardware Android has been having it since last winter, and when it comes to software there wasnt really anything near a breakthrough.

    WP needed something with a real WOW effect which would make the iOS and Android users jealous. I didnt see anything like that today.

    And no release date... Apple is probably happy today.
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    09-05-2012 01:47 PM
  5. power5's Avatar
    I think their software is the best part of the 920, not the hardware. The smart photo editing and video editing is amazing for a phone to do. Cinemagraph and smartshoot are just spectacular. The augmented map stuff is also great.
    09-05-2012 01:51 PM
  6. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    PureView, Wireless charging, NFC, Removable SD, gonna be the best screen on the market. WTF else do people want in a phone? I mean really, what else?
    wolf1891 and cckgz4 like this.
    09-05-2012 01:51 PM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    PureView, Wireless charging, NFC, Removable SD, gonna be the best screen on the market. WTF else do people want in a phone? I mean really, what else?
    They want it to say "Samsung" on the front instead of "Nokia"
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    09-05-2012 01:52 PM
  8. power5's Avatar
    A new shape to herald all that greatness. About the only thing that kept me from getting a 4s. The 800 and 900 have had the exact same shape. Now the 920? I am glad I upgraded at the halfway point instead of the launch of the new OS and products. I can wait till the 8.5 devices come out.

    The Pureview is just amazing though. Well the software behind it I guess, not the hardware.
    09-05-2012 01:54 PM
  9. palandri's Avatar
    My question is, can any of these phones hold up against the latest Jitterbug models?

    AKA Preluva, eric12341 and mafu6 like this.
    09-05-2012 01:59 PM
  10. Reflexx's Avatar
    A new shape to herald all that greatness. About the only thing that kept me from getting a 4s. The 800 and 900 have had the exact same shape. Now the 920? I am glad I upgraded at the halfway point instead of the launch of the new OS and products. I can wait till the 8.5 devices come out.

    The Pureview is just amazing though. Well the software behind it I guess, not the hardware.
    The Optical Image Stabilization is largely hardware.
    09-05-2012 02:06 PM
  11. Mitlov's Avatar
    PureView, Wireless charging, NFC, Removable SD, gonna be the best screen on the market. WTF else do people want in a phone? I mean really, what else?
    I wanted "Pureview" to include oversampling from a high-megapixel camera, the defining characteristic of the 808 Pureview.

    There's no SD support for the 920. It's only the 820 that has removable storage, and the 820 has a low-res screen.

    Wireless charging seems like a useless gimmick to me.
    09-05-2012 02:26 PM
  12. squire777's Avatar
    Funny how non-WP fans on other boards and blogs are generally looking at the Nokia devices in a positive light, while people here are nitpicking every detail and have a real downer attitude (like seriously who gives a **** about stock prices?).

    Nokia and MS weren't going to overtake Apple and Google in one swoop, and expectations were too high among a lot of WP fans. The positive is that we're going to have top range devices from a number of OEMs instead of middle range devices as with WP7.
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    09-05-2012 02:31 PM
  13. trazer's Avatar
    So, looking at the colors in the google logo, you get blue, red and yellow on there, so in the future I see a green Lumia phone.. Just saying, that would make a cool photo with the letters spelling google in the screens with the phones in the correct color order lol.

    Cool stuff coming, the only problem is its still coming, no prices dates or other info at all. Motorola even had prices and dates + carrier today, and we all know Apple will too. Amazon will have the same for the Kindle event coming up. Sigh. Waiting sucks, just saying.

    I'd even be happy with the prices of the speakers and such, but nothing. Needed more data for me to go over, this was all too high level stuff for me today.
    09-05-2012 03:22 PM
  14. steve_w_7's Avatar
    Well after looking at the new leaked images in the News section today, I'm really leaning in the direction of the Ativ S. The 820 looks worse than the 800 in my opinion, and the 920 looks just like a 900. The thing that sticks out the most for me is the size of the bezels on these phones. Especially the 900, if it's got a 4.5 inch screen, then how big is the overall phone if the bezels look that big? Wow, thought after all the smack talk Nokia have been delivering, they would have brought something more to the game than just a rehash of last year's form factor with new kindergarten color scheme. Bold colors are not attractive to the masses. I'm concerned that a Nokia display with such bold colored phones will turn away more people than attract them. Hopefully they only use the black, white and silver ones for their displays. And I really hope the phones are not as shiny as they show in these leaked pics as well. Let's hope HTC bring out something as nice and professional looking as the Ativ S. Very disappointing, but hope they look better in person.
    Couldn't agree with you more. Big YAWN...
    09-05-2012 03:55 PM
  15. poiman's Avatar
    I wanted "Pureview" to include oversampling from a high-megapixel camera, the defining characteristic of the 808 Pureview.
    This OISPureView actually overperforms the 808PureView in many situations (like image stabilization and low light conditions). Of course in other areas like lossless zoom is not so good, but for that you need a huge sensor which will make the phone too thick for the masses. It's great to know that this OISPureView solves many problems that all other smartphone cameras have (including the 808).


    Wireless charging seems like a useless gimmick to me.
    It's great when you are on a bar / restaurant or waiting for a flight in the airport, or whatever, and those have wireless chargers.
    09-05-2012 03:56 PM
  16. AKA Preluva's Avatar
    I think their software is the best part of the 920, not the hardware. The smart photo editing and video editing is amazing for a phone to do. Cinemagraph and smartshoot are just spectacular. The augmented map stuff is also great.
    Who the bloody **** is editing photos & video with a phone??? My Pre has some sort of video editing software (something anyway) I have never used it nor do I even know how. When and if I think of doing this sort of thing I'm not reaching for my phone. Maybe I'm just too old. :mad:
    Last edited by Preluva; 09-05-2012 at 08:24 PM.
    09-05-2012 04:20 PM
  17. theefman's Avatar
    More important than "is it enough to hold up against Samsung Ativ and HTCs WP8?", is it really something that will make iOS and Android users switch?

    comScore reported yesterday that WP/WM lost 10 % of their market share in the last 4 months and is down to 3.6 % now.

    Attracting new smartphone buyers will not be enough, WP needed a real game changer that made people seriously consider buying a WP device instead of the new iPhone or another Android.

    The Lumia 920 looks like a great phone, but when it comes to hardware Android has been having it since last winter, and when it comes to software there wasnt really anything near a breakthrough.

    WP needed something with a real WOW effect which would make the iOS and Android users jealous. I didnt see anything like that today.

    And no release date... Apple is probably happy today.
    Same points apply to the Samsung, what does it have that will attract buyers?
    09-05-2012 04:32 PM
  18. Big Supes's Avatar
    Funny how non-WP fans on other boards and blogs are generally looking at the Nokia devices in a positive light, while people here are nitpicking every detail and have a real downer attitude (like seriously who gives a **** about stock prices?).

    Nokia and MS weren't going to overtake Apple and Google in one swoop, and expectations were too high among a lot of WP fans. The positive is that we're going to have top range devices from a number of OEMs instead of middle range devices as with WP7.
    So true. All over Twitter and various blogs, the general feedback is pretty positive. Come back here and it's like doom 'n gloom.
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    09-05-2012 04:39 PM
  19. Mitlov's Avatar
    It's great when you are on a bar / restaurant or waiting for a flight in the airport, or whatever, and those have wireless chargers.
    Have you ever seen a business in real life that offers these to customers? If so, where? Not a flame, but a serious question, because I had never even heard of them until the Lumia 920. Certainly not something your average Oregon coffeeshop has sitting around for customer use.
    09-05-2012 04:55 PM
  20. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    Who the blood **** is editing photos & video with a phone??? My Pre has some sort of video editing software (something anyway) I have never used it nor do I even know how. When and if I think of doing this sort of thing I'm not reaching for my phone. Maybe I'm just too old. :mad:
    Well people do use Instagram... (I don't.)

    Have you ever seen a business in real life that offers these to customers? If so, where? Not a flame, but a serious question, because I had never even heard of them until the Lumia 920. Certainly not something your average Oregon coffeeshop has sitting around for customer use.
    I've never seen a business offer it probably because there's no incentive to. Other than the webOS phones, the Galaxy SIII (didn't know about that one until yesterday), and the not yet available Lumia 920 and 820, what other phones have wireless charging built in?

    But I do think that wireless charging will be the future. Hopefully Nokia can get it started--they've already partnered with The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf to add wireless charging stations. I think the also mentioned Virgin America as a partner in their presentation today.
    09-05-2012 05:11 PM
  21. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Have you ever seen a business in real life that offers these to customers? If so, where? Not a flame, but a serious question, because I had never even heard of them until the Lumia 920. Certainly not something your average Oregon coffeeshop has sitting around for customer use.
    Ah but Nokia is trying to make it happen (Qi standard and all..), or did you forget?
    09-05-2012 05:22 PM
  22. power5's Avatar
    Who the blood **** is editing photos & video with a phone??? My Pre has some sort of video editing software (something anyway) I have never used it nor do I even know how. When and if I think of doing this sort of thing I'm not reaching for my phone. Maybe I'm just too old. :mad:
    Its while you take the photo or video, not something you do after, or maybe its both ways. Sorry but the system shown in the event was much much easier than anything I have done with photoshop.
    09-05-2012 05:52 PM
  23. Reflexx's Avatar
    So true. All over Twitter and various blogs, the general feedback is pretty positive. Come back here and it's like doom 'n gloom.
    I think people who have some axe to grind with Nokia, or may have made some sort of negative predictions in the past, know that this is where most WP fans congregate.

    There are 4 main groups.

    1. people that are actively doing anything they can to try to turn opinions against Nokia because they see Nokia as the key to WP. And taking them down, takes down WP.

    2. people that are fans of other OEMs, so they think that putting down Nokia somehow lifts up their favorite OEM

    3. people who just like controversy of any kind (not out of hate, but just because it makes interesting conversation)

    4. people who have legitimate concerns

    I think we have a fairly even amount from each of the categories.
    09-05-2012 06:01 PM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    Have you ever seen a business in real life that offers these to customers? If so, where? Not a flame, but a serious question, because I had never even heard of them until the Lumia 920. Certainly not something your average Oregon coffeeshop has sitting around for customer use.
    If they do, it's rare.

    Nokia has made a deal with Virgin and Coffee Bean in order to get this done. I imagine that means that money is exchanging hands.

    It will take OEMs to push the ability in order for more businesses to adopt it. But it has to start somewhere.
    09-05-2012 06:02 PM
  25. eric12341's Avatar
    More important than "is it enough to hold up against Samsung Ativ and HTCs WP8?", is it really something that will make iOS and Android users switch?

    comScore reported yesterday that WP/WM lost 10 % of their market share in the last 4 months and is down to 3.6 % now.

    Attracting new smartphone buyers will not be enough, WP needed a real game changer that made people seriously consider buying a WP device instead of the new iPhone or another Android.

    The Lumia 920 looks like a great phone, but when it comes to hardware Android has been having it since last winter, and when it comes to software there wasnt really anything near a breakthrough.

    WP needed something with a real WOW effect which would make the iOS and Android users jealous. I didnt see anything like that today.

    And no release date... Apple is probably happy today.
    I think it's unfair to pass judgment just yet as not everything in WP has been revealed yet. Seems that all the iPhone 5 will have is LTE and a 4"+ screen and iOS 6 of course which is underwhelming.
    bear_lx likes this.
    09-05-2012 06:26 PM
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