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  1. Winterfang's Avatar
    The One X camera is not significant? Is the best Android camera out there. (until Samsung release the Galaxy Camera)
    09-09-2012 10:45 AM
  2. PG2G's Avatar
    Yeah one thing is sure, Quad core one is surely coming 100% sure. No no innovative things will come. No significant camera technology.
    I want to believe that quad core is coming as has been rumored, but it seems like Microsoft has been pretty clear about things being dual core initially. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I would suggest not getting your hopes up
    tissotti likes this.
    09-09-2012 10:52 AM
  3. tissotti's Avatar
    Yeah one thing is sure, Quad core one is surely coming 100% sure. No no innovative things will come. No significant camera technology.
    If HTC will release the phone Q4, i see there being zero chance of quad core.
    All of the 4 launch partners will use the exact same SoC as it's the only one optimized and ready on launch. it's Microsoft doing that work.

    It's closed platform when it comes to hardware like we have seen Samsung and Nokia having trouble to bring their innovations from Symbian or Android to WP. First gen used the same SoC, second generation high end devices used same SoC. Microsoft itself said on the first launch of WP8 that they concentrate first on dual core.

    It's the reason why WP seems like it's slightly behind hw wise to Android (not so much on WP8 though), but it's also the reason why the thing runs so much smoother on lesser hardware. Exactly same as on iPhone.
    Last edited by tissotti; 09-09-2012 at 11:12 AM.
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    09-09-2012 11:05 AM
  4. kenzibit's Avatar
    HTC will blow things this week, I believe them. Just wait and see and I bet support for their released devices will be more and taken seriously since it was one of their banes last year and early this year. I know they've learnt their lessons and they will deliver...no doubt.

    Sent from my HTC HD7 using Board Express
    09-09-2012 11:54 AM
  5. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Well, no gray area there....

    Two disagreements with your posts, understanding it is your opinion and I respect it and am NOT trying to change it, just bring out a couple of facts for as Paul Harvey used to say is the rest of the story..

    Nokia released updates to their devices to fix problems, offered a rebate as compensation, and has continued to maintain that they will support the 900 for inside of two years with app support and updates. No defending the poor camera, but it was their first attempt at a high end WP. I mark it up as lessons learned.

    HTC released the Titan, it had audio and performance problems that have plagued those owners from day one and has gotten worse and worse, is among the last to even get Tango update out which is minor (no blaming AT&T- Samsung devices and the 900 have it), there has been no support, and no promise of support. Heck, taking a page from Android they released the Titan 2 less than 6 months later and then completely ignored Titan 1 owners.

    Because of HTC's past with good devices on WP (Arrive, Trophy, the Titan 2) I am willing to give them a look see on WP8. But support better than Nokia? I do not think so.

    However, I am glad you believe in them. Makes me want to give a chance, which is why I started this thread. I WANT to believe in HTC.

    I really showed my age with that Paul Harvey reference, didn't I???
    ;)

    I don't know anybody with an original Titan (though I know several Titan II and Radar owners).

    I bought into the Lumia 900 hype and bought one myself. Also encouraged other people I know to try one.

    Of the six people I know who bought a 900, not a single one still uses it today.

    Cracked screens (out of the box), problems with battery drain (including an "infinite boot/reboot cycle" at the end of the charge), extremely poor camera performance, crash-prone hardware and constant audio problems plagued these phones.

    While everyone has a dud (with the original Titan perhaps being an example), every Windows Phone that Nokia has released in the US to date is a dud. I've gone through multiple 710s that died or had blotchy screens.

    I ended up running, screaming, back to my Radar 4G, which performs better than any of Nokia's overhyped devices to date.

    And I see Nokia continuing their old ways now. More "our camera rocks" propaganda (with the faked photos and OIS that doesn't work today). More "real soon now." More "don't worry, we've changed."

    And I see little HTC putting out solid, powerful hardware that delivers, without all the chest-thumping.

    HTC has never needed to release fake videos or photos to promote its products. It simply releases them and lets users judge for themselves. I like that. They're my Windows Phone "rock," after an experience with Nokia that could be fairly described as "horrifying."

    I believe that the overemphasis of Nokia's products hurts Windows Phone. Lumias so far have been of poor quality, in contrast to devices from HTC and Samsung. (Even the LG Quantum was vastly superior). If someone new to WP has a Lumia 900 or Lumia 710 experience, it will likely sour them on the entire ecosystem and send them to Appleland or Androidville. Meanwhile, a Titan II, Focus S, or Radar 4G will delight and keep them.

    I see the "Nokia has great support" thing as a creative explanation for why their products have so many problems. For the most part, HTC and Samsung products deliver from the day you buy them. Nokia's products have been plagued with endless problems, in contrast. I'd rather have a solid, functioning device that needs no "support" than a flashy, defective device that requires constant updates over a six month period to deliver the experience I was promised upon purchase. That Nokia needs so many updates and "support incidences" is a sign of weakness, not strength -- and it shows in the dismal sales numbers.
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    09-09-2012 01:05 PM
  6. Winterfang's Avatar
    Brmiller you know what you are talking about. Also while I personally didn't like HTC devices until their one series, they don't do false promises.

    Look at the Titan 2, is has the best Windows Phone camera, biggest screen and best processor so far, as well as LTE support. Even without WP8 it will still be a solid device.

    And on their android side, the One X camera had a commercial where some guy took a picture jumping from an airplane, the pictures where great, focused and real.

    Nokia has to lie about taking a night picture.
    09-09-2012 01:43 PM
  7. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Exactly. All the people ooohing and ahhhing over the 920 VaporwareView could have bought a Windows Phone with a world-class camera months ago in the Titan II... but instead they were hailing Nokia for their "great support" in pushing out updates to improve the Lumia 900 camera from "the worst photos from a smartphone since the Treo 680" to merely "way, way below minimum acceptable standards for a mid-range device."
    Winterfang likes this.
    09-09-2012 01:51 PM
  8. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    My wife recently have birth to our daughter. She has a lumia 900, I have a Titan 2. she's jealous of the quality and time it takes to get a good focus. I'm hoping HTC sticks to what they have or even surpasses it at not even have to give a gmmick name. Not saying pureview is a gimmick, but simply just make a camera folks can be confident in.

    Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express
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    09-09-2012 07:50 PM
  9. Mitlov's Avatar
    My wife recently have birth to our daughter. She has a lumia 900, I have a Titan 2. she's jealous of the quality and time it takes to get a good focus. I'm hoping HTC sticks to what they have or even surpasses it at not even have to give a gmmick name. Not saying pureview is a gimmick, but simply just make a camera folks can be confident in.

    Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express
    Yeah, the Titan II and the One X don't have a lot of unique features to their camera, but the quality of the results are unimpeachable. That's part of what I'm hoping the 8X will deliver (along with a solid case and a good screen).
    09-09-2012 09:52 PM
  10. a5cent's Avatar
    My wife recently have birth to our daughter.
    Congratulations!!! *pops campaign bottle*
    snowmutt likes this.
    09-09-2012 10:03 PM
  11. cckgz4's Avatar
    All that rubbish you're passing off as an experience for all Nokia owners need to be cleared up to being YOURS. I don't have those problems
    09-09-2012 10:05 PM
  12. Winterfang's Avatar
    My wife recently have birth to our daughter. She has a lumia 900, I have a Titan 2. she's jealous of the quality and time it takes to get a good focus. I'm hoping HTC sticks to what they have or even surpasses it at not even have to give a gmmick name. Not saying pureview is a gimmick, but simply just make a camera folks can be confident in.

    Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express
    Congratulations, may she grow to be healthy, successful and won't take duckface pictures.
    snowmutt likes this.
    09-09-2012 10:19 PM
  13. crystal_planet's Avatar
    ;)



    Of the six people I know who bought a 900, not a single one still uses it today.

    Cracked screens (out of the box), problems with battery drain (including an "infinite boot/reboot cycle" at the end of the charge), extremely poor camera performance, crash-prone hardware and constant audio problems plagued these phones.

    While everyone has a dud (with the original Titan perhaps being an example), every Windows Phone that Nokia has released in the US to date is a dud. I've gone through multiple 710s that died or had blotchy screens.


    Amazing! All six 900's that you and your friends had were d.o.a. right out of the box? That has to be a record of some kind.

    You need to go to the press about this pronto!

    I ended up running, screaming, back to my Radar 4G
    And you're still screaming - even now.
    09-09-2012 10:27 PM
  14. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Thanks for the congrats on my baby being born by the way folks. Even though it's off topic. :-D

    Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express
    09-09-2012 10:31 PM
  15. independentvolume's Avatar
    All that rubbish you're passing off as an experience for all Nokia owners need to be cleared up to being YOURS. I don't have those problems
    Congrats, you've been the next contestant selected on my ignore list. #bigwinner
    09-09-2012 11:00 PM
  16. cckgz4's Avatar
    Congrats, you've been the next contestant selected on my ignore list. #bigwinner
    And you know what's more ironic? I was talking to b Miller

    But go ahead
    09-09-2012 11:13 PM
  17. smoledman's Avatar
    "Princess Leia: Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi; you're my only hope"

    HTC is my last hope as

    NOKIA: no external storage support
    SAMSUNG: meh design

    I think if HTC stumbles I will just ride this wave out until June...and be content with 7.8 until then
    I bet Nokia comes out with a 64GB variant of the 920 early next year. Built-in storage is always better.
    09-09-2012 11:25 PM
  18. astraith's Avatar
    Inside Nokia’s Test Center: Why Nokia Devices Are So Reliable - BriefMobile

    Lets start out by saying I don't expect you to buy an Nokia product again. After having that experience ... Yeah, no one would. But to claim everyone who ever bought an Nokia in the USA had the exact trouble is pushing it. I know tons of people claiming htc phones suck ... Some of those working with the tech support department . So, everyone has these problems. Looking at the link above,you can see Nokia's do go through extensive testing before hand. Its not surprising defects get through, but not every phone.
    09-10-2012 12:48 AM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    Inside Nokias Test Center: Why Nokia Devices Are So Reliable - BriefMobile

    Lets start out by saying I don't expect you to buy an Nokia product again. After having that experience ... Yeah, no one would. But to claim everyone who ever bought an Nokia in the USA had the exact trouble is pushing it. I know tons of people claiming htc phones suck ... Some of those working with the tech support department . So, everyone has these problems. Looking at the link above,you can see Nokia's do go through extensive testing before hand. Its not surprising defects get through, but not every phone.
    Pretty hardcore.

    I've heard that they also have a front load washer test. (with no water of course) They load something that looks like a front load washer up with a bunch of rocks and a phone, then just turn it on and let it run for a certain amount of time. A phone has to be able to be working when it's done.
    09-10-2012 01:01 AM
  20. astraith's Avatar
    Pretty hardcore.

    I've heard that they also have a front load washer test. (with no water of course) They load something that looks like a front load washer up with a bunch of rocks and a phone, then just turn it on and let it run for a certain amount of time. A phone has to be able to be working when it's done.
    That's awesome! Lets try it lol. :-)
    09-10-2012 10:21 AM
  21. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    I wrote HTC a letter this morning (okay, I typed them an e-mail I mean) about how their device are great, but how their continued support for various devices is not good at all. Especially with windows phones. I explained the general climate on how users feel towards HTC and let them know that support would go a long way in helping their company get back on top. I don't expect to hear anything back from then, but if I do I'll be sure to report back ASAP with their response.
    09-10-2012 11:52 AM
  22. brmiller1976's Avatar
    All the talk about Nokia OIS is discussing vaporware, guys.

    I'd wait before claiming that Nokia will deliver superior picture quality. HTC Titan II DEMOLISHED the Lumia 900 in picture quality despite all the Carl Zeiss hype, and there's no reason to believe it will be any different this time around, especially given all the whoppers that Nokia marketing has been caught telling.
    09-11-2012 10:23 AM
  23. Mitlov's Avatar
    All the talk about Nokia OIS is discussing vaporware, guys.

    I'd wait before claiming that Nokia will deliver superior picture quality. HTC Titan II DEMOLISHED the Lumia 900 in picture quality despite all the Carl Zeiss hype, and there's no reason to believe it will be any different this time around, especially given all the whoppers that Nokia marketing has been caught telling.
    The preliminary third-party reviews (The Verge and Brighthand spring to mind) suggest that the 920's camera is NOTHING like the 900's.
    09-11-2012 10:50 AM
  24. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Both of those reviews also note that they themselves weren't allowed to actually independently review the camera themselves without a rep setting up a preapproved test (mostly in response to the fabricated video fiasco).

    I remember the promise of an earth-shattering camera on the Lumia 900 as well, and Nokia hasn't delivered. We'll see this time, but I reserve the right to be skeptical given prior huge promises followed up by poor product. Even after three camera software updates, the Lumia 900 "Carl Zeiss" still takes worse pictures than the 5 MP shooter on my Radar.

    HTC is no slouch in camera technology, nor in durability. They'll be bringing their A-game.

    As for durability, I'd put my Radar up against ANY Lumia series phone in a durability test, and I'd expect it would be in decent shape long after a 710 had been broken into tiny plastic pieces! High quality aluminum alloy and Gorilla Glass beats cheap plastic and nonreinforced glass any day of the week.
    09-12-2012 12:53 AM
  25. Reflexx's Avatar
    Go to a cell phone repair place and ask them about HTC quality.

    I was told that HTC and Motorola both used crappy parts for their ports, resulting in quite a few broken ports.

    That's why HTC tech support will tell you that using your phone while it's plugged in is considered customer abuse, and will void your warranty.
    09-12-2012 12:58 AM
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