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  1. aceattorneymvp's Avatar
    Damn. That image of the studio equipment is the smoking gun. What a shame, Nokia. Their marketing company needs to be canned.
    09-06-2012 09:54 AM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    Nokia is going to need to do a big marketing campaign similar to Smoked by Windows Phone, where they go places at night and challenge people to take night photos.

    It's common for simulations to be used for devices, especially when the devices aren't done yet. But there normally is a disclaimer.
    09-06-2012 10:03 AM
  3. jimski's Avatar
    Hmm. Never saw a disclaimer when McDonald's shows that Big Mac on screen, looking all perfect. Of course, the on-screen version is made out of wax and acrylics. But I still enjoy one occasionally. Think I will enjoy my next Nokia as well.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    09-06-2012 10:06 AM
  4. pjs37's Avatar
    Hmm. Never saw a disclaimer when McDonald's shows that Big Mac on screen, looking all perfect. Of course, the on-screen version is made out of wax and acrylics. But I still enjoy one occasionally. Think I will enjoy my next Nokia as well.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    Well that fine but if you are demoing picture quality and video quality what you see better be what you get. That being said I did see they have released a video supposedly using real footage this time and it still looks impressive.
    09-06-2012 10:10 AM
  5. Winterfang's Avatar
    If they had used the real Pureview, they wouldn't had this problems. If your camera is really better don't lie about it.

    What's the point of lying to your customers? Now I'll have to wait for the Review to see pictures I can actually trust.
    09-06-2012 10:15 AM
  6. larrynj's Avatar
    09-06-2012 10:35 AM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    I think it's a stretch to accuse them of lying.

    They were demonstrating the technology, not the device.

    But it was a mistake on them because consumers may think that the technology and the device are one and the same.
    09-06-2012 10:35 AM
  8. Winterfang's Avatar
    I think it's a stretch to accuse them of lying.

    They were demonstrating the technology, not the device.

    But it was a mistake on them because consumers may think that the technology and the device are one and the same.
    But they are using a professional camera.

    That's like saying, hey! try this Pcola, is taste was great as Coke. Then you try the sample and you are like wow!. Then you find out they actually filled the bottle with Coke and the real Pcola doesn't taste anything like this.
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    09-06-2012 10:38 AM
  9. Reflexx's Avatar
    But they are using a professional camera.

    That's like saying, hey! try this Pcola, is taste was great as Coke. Then you try the sample and you are like wow!. Then you find out they actually filled the bottle with Coke and the real Pcola doesn't taste anything like this.
    It's likely a custom setup.

    Truthfully, we can't make a judgment about the simulation's accuracy unless we actually see real pics.

    The low light images of the flower pot from the challenge at last night's event indicate that the camera is everything they claim it is. Not to mention the testimonials from journalists that have seen it in action. Heck, look at this site's front page and you'll see Daniel raving about it.
    09-06-2012 10:45 AM
  10. Winterfang's Avatar
    Why are you defending this?
    09-06-2012 10:50 AM
  11. squire777's Avatar
    At the same time one can ask why you're so eager to see Nokia fail
    09-06-2012 10:53 AM
  12. palandri's Avatar
    Merged threads
    09-06-2012 10:54 AM
  13. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    @Winterfang's "Why are you defending this"

    ^^ because what they did was a marketing error. They demonstrated technology not the device.

    They said this is OIS, they did not say this is Nokia Lumia 920.

    Of course camps get heated up because they cannot find a single flaw in new camera and all other camps know, there isn't anything out there that will beat it.

    So how do we deter potential customers? Let's just call it a lie.

    Daniel, journalists and the flower pot videos - all show that what the phone has is exactly what the "professional camera" or whatever you want to call it had. That means Nokia did not lie, Nokia gave you a professional camera in your smartphone.

    Let's offer kudos to Nokia, instead of calling it a liar.
    Last edited by rockstarzzz; 09-06-2012 at 11:01 AM. Reason: My ^^ doesn't make sense as threads were merged!
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    09-06-2012 11:00 AM
  14. Winterfang's Avatar
    Kudos to Nokia for false advertising? I had heard everything.
    09-06-2012 11:19 AM
  15. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    It is a lie, I'm sorry.
    But having said that, I know the atmosphere behind those doors where Nokia, MS, the ad agency and the production house all wrangled and tangled up to make an ad about the new device to be launched any time soon.
    It WAS supposed to sell like hot cake, it was supposed to be their (only?) USP. People were to say "WHOA!! Look what a Lumia can do."...but because of one tiny screw up...it all comes down like a house of cards.

    But on the other hand, if this little mistake wasn't caught, how many of us would actually believe OIS was capable of doing this??

    Sent from my DROID RaZr.
    09-06-2012 11:26 AM
  16. Mitlov's Avatar
    @Winterfang's "Why are you defending this"

    ^^ because what they did was a marketing error. They demonstrated technology not the device.

    They said this is OIS, they did not say this is Nokia Lumia 920.
    I want Nokia to succeed. I like Nokia. I'm not out to bash Nokia. I might buy a Lumia 920 myself. All that said, while they didn't EXPRESSLY say "this is Lumia 920," they implied it as hard as you can. Even I think it's splitting hairs to say that they didn't claim it was the Lumia 920's Pureview camera, but instead OIS in the abstract...and I'm a lawyer who splits hairs by trade!



    And, of course, the video ends with "THIS IS LUMIA," in all caps, showing the boyfriend taking a picture of the girlfriend with the phone. Which he had done throughout the ad.

    Nokia made a great phone. Nokia ALSO made a woefully misleading ad that is going to make it much harder for Nokia to get people interested in the phone. These two things are not mutually exclusive, and the first does not erase the second.
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    09-06-2012 11:27 AM
  17. Winterfang's Avatar
    It is a lie, I'm sorry.
    But having said that, I know the atmosphere behind those doors where Nokia, MS, the ad agency and the production house all wrangled and tangled up to make a ad about the new device to be launched any time soon.
    It WAS supposed to sell like hot cake, it was supposed to be their (only?) USP. People were to say "WHOA!! Look what a Lumia can do."...but because of one tiny screw up...it all comes down like a house if cards.

    But on the other hand, if this little mistake wasn't caught, how many of us would actually believe OIS was capable of doing this??

    Sent from my DROID RaZr.
    I would had believe it. The 808 Pureview is a fantastic camera and I have no doubts Nokia could do something like that for Windows Phone.

    But they tried to play us for suckers and it turn down on then catastrophically. ( It's even on the news)
    X0LARIUM likes this.
    09-06-2012 11:28 AM
  18. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    I would had believe it. The 808 Pureview is a fantastic camera and I have no doubts Nokia could do something like that for Windows Phone.

    But they tried to play us for suckers and it turn down on then catastrophically. ( It's even on the news)
    I would have believed it too. Even though I am in advertising I don't take any ad very seriously, I would have said, may be Lumia could do this. Hence, yes, it was a lie, and Nokia is caught RED handed.

    Sent from my DROID RaZr.
    09-06-2012 11:31 AM
  19. Winterfang's Avatar
    If they don't believe in their camera why should I? Didn't the One X commercial with the guy taking pictures while free falling from an Airplane real? Yet Nokia can't even take night pictures without faking it!!
    09-06-2012 11:34 AM
  20. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    If they don't believe in their camera why should I? Didn't the One X commercial with the guy taking pictures while free falling from an Airplane real? Yet Nokia can't even take night pictures without faking it!!
    I bought a RaZr. Why? I saw the ad, I liked the ad. Why? What did the ad show?
    It showed SmartActions and wireless pulling of files through MotoCast.
    Now what if After buying I know it does none of this.

    Do I sue Moto? (Thankfully it does what it says).

    Sent from my DROID RaZr.
    09-06-2012 11:37 AM
  21. cckgz4's Avatar
    What about the people that bought the latest galaxy and iPhone because siri/s voice worked great in the commercials but in real life it takes several tries to get something across?
    09-06-2012 11:41 AM
  22. Reflexx's Avatar
    Why are you defending this?
    Defending what?

    I said it was a mistake on their part.

    I believe they should have explicitly stated that the videos were tech demos, not actually taken with a particular phone.

    I know of someone that's well positioned in Nokia. And he assures me that the tech is real and works as advertised.

    They truly believe that PureView is a technology that stands on its own. It's not a device. It's not a phone.

    The demo was for a feature of PureView. And the phone would happen to include that technology. But the phone isnt the technology.

    I believe the reps I've contacted. They admit a marketing mistake. They know why there is a misunderstanding. But their intent was to demo the technology.

    What's important to me is what the phone does. Not drama from a mistake.
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    09-06-2012 11:42 AM
  23. Winterfang's Avatar
    At least Sire/S Voice are real and they didn't used a professional tape recorder or something. Surely you would understand how advertising a cellphone camera using instead a professional camera and set up is straight up lying.

    It will be like me uploading a painting in Facebook, then had people call me out for taking a picture of a museum and trying to pass it out as something I made.
    09-06-2012 11:44 AM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    It is a lie, I'm sorry.
    But having said that, I know the atmosphere behind those doors where Nokia, MS, the ad agency and the production house all wrangled and tangled up to make an ad about the new device to be launched any time soon.
    It WAS supposed to sell like hot cake, it was supposed to be their (only?) USP. People were to say "WHOA!! Look what a Lumia can do."...but because of one tiny screw up...it all comes down like a house of cards.

    But on the other hand, if this little mistake wasn't caught, how many of us would actually believe OIS was capable of doing this??

    Sent from my DROID RaZr.
    According to my acquaintance at Nokia who has used the device, OIS is capable of doing what's in the video.
    09-06-2012 11:45 AM
  25. cckgz4's Avatar
    Pretty childish to harp on the phone and claim to be uninterested because of a misleading video. What it should do is make you hesitant until someone reviews it and see for yourself. I thought we knew that as tech activists.
    09-06-2012 11:46 AM
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