09-17-2012 11:41 PM
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  1. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Apple can still screw up. People had being waiting for the Iphone 5 for almost 2 years. It better be worth it. Galaxy S 3 is too good.
    Yep.

    This is why Samsung makes more sense as a premier partner than Nokia. Samsung knows how to give people what they want -- sales numbers don't lie.

    ATIV S is a sexy device, and I hope it will be available on my carrier so I can cross-shop it and HTC's offerings.
    09-09-2012 03:08 PM
  2. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    That doesn't work in the social economy.

    Why?

    Because the people who bought into the cocky marketing for Lumia 900 will still have Lumia 900s.

    And when people considering 920s (if and when they ship) ask 900 owners about their experience, they'll get something like this:

    "Nokia promised the smartphone beta test was over, and that this phone would be revolutionary. Two months later, they stopped software updates and said they knew, the entire time, that my phone was a dead end. My phone won't run new WP8 software, and it's worth 1/3 as much on the resale market as an HTC One X which shipped at the same time and price and DOES get updates. I'd steer clear of anything else they're selling... you can't trust them."

    At that point, the cockiness turns to cockiness in bankruptcy court. Not pretty.
    omfg what a crock of bullsh-. Not everyone gets that upset over an update. Get out over your tech world bubble. People that aren't heavily invested in tech just want something that does the job from them, or did you forget the mantra that Apple touted/still touts for years?
    09-09-2012 03:17 PM
  3. Winterfang's Avatar
    omfg what a crock of bullsh-. Not everyone gets that upset over an update. Get out over your tech world bubble. People that aren't heavily invested in tech just want something that does the job from them, or did you forget the mantra that Apple touted/still touts for years?
    That's actually bad for Windows Phone. For a example I though a picture of a friend of mine and inmediatly after I took it, she asked me to edit it with Instangram. I told her my phone doesn't have that app, she looked at me in disbelief and I just said. Well is an old phone ^_^U. She actually said that I throw my phone in the garbage.

    Of course, before Windows Phone nokia just send me the lowest of the cheapest phones. So the brand is associated with cheap phones with the exception of the N8.

    Another point is that people just sell the windows phones here without telling people how it works, so most people don't even know what Zune is. So passing pictures etc.. is a mess.

    Not to mention all the things people expect out of their phones that WP7 just doesn't do.

    The average people doesn't want a Windows Phone, much less a Nokia one my friend. They need to bring it hard with Windows Phone 8 and the 920 is not going to cut it.
    09-09-2012 04:04 PM
  4. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    That's actually bad for Windows Phone. For a example I though a picture of a friend of mine and inmediatly after I took it, she asked me to edit it with Instangram. I told her my phone doesn't have that app, she looked at me in disbelief and I just said. Well is an old phone ^_^U. She actually said that I throw my phone in the garbage.

    Of course, before Windows Phone nokia just send me the lowest of the cheapest phones. So the brand is associated with cheap phones with the exception of the N8.

    Another point is that people just sell the windows phones here without telling people how it works, so most people don't even know what Zune is. So passing pictures etc.. is a mess.

    Not to mention all the things people expect out of their phones that WP7 just doesn't do.

    The average people doesn't want a Windows Phone, much less a Nokia one my friend. They need to bring it hard with Windows Phone 8 and the 920 is not going to cut it.
    If your friend is exclusively motivated by Instagram, I think you need better friends! :lol: (Kidding, of course.)

    Yes, carriers selling Windows Phones know NOTHING about them. Everytime I've gone into a Sprint or AT&T store, I've ended up spending at least a half hour or more showing it to the staffers myself. Several times, I've had at least one of those people say, "wow, that's way better than what I remember from the old days."

    I know for the Lumia 900 launch, AT&T employees were required to carry one around for a month as a demo and learn it. I think that definitely helped, but obviously it doesn't hit everyone.

    You're entirely right about Microsoft (and their OEM and carrier partners) needing to really get the word out this time around. That said, that's precisely why they put the Modern UI on Windows 8 and Xbox. As people adopt them, they gain exposure to the whole paradigm of tiles and it will spread from there.
    09-09-2012 04:15 PM
  5. Winterfang's Avatar
    Well everyone is different, you need to bring everything. The slightest things can make people choose one phone over the other.

    When people told about why choose Windows Phone over Android, they always said is smoother. But as someone that uses Slacker Radio every day, I find that assessment hilarious.
    09-09-2012 04:36 PM
  6. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    That's actually bad for Windows Phone. For a example I though a picture of a friend of mine and inmediatly after I took it, she asked me to edit it with Instangram. I told her my phone doesn't have that app, she looked at me in disbelief and I just said. Well is an old phone ^_^U. She actually said that I throw my phone in the garbage.

    The average people doesn't want a Windows Phone, much less a Nokia one my friend. They need to bring it hard with Windows Phone 8 and the 920 is not going to cut it.
    My point is that not everyone is like how he was describing nor are they like your buddy. There are some people that just don't care about Instagram. I mean other countries like India or China probably don't give a **** for certain big name apps. Even if they do they probably care more about their localized version.

    Likewise, I really doubt people that aren't in this tech bubble world get that miffed over a missed update that they would lose trust with a phone manufacturer. If that were true, I would imagine there would've been a higher turn over rate a few years ago when HTC and Samsung wouldn't update their Android phones to the latest update.

    Anyways we should get back on topic.
    09-09-2012 04:53 PM
  7. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Well everyone is different, you need to bring everything. The slightest things can make people choose one phone over the other.

    When people told about why choose Windows Phone over Android, they always said is smoother. But as someone that uses Slacker Radio every day, I find that assessment hilarious.
    Can you clarify on Slacker? I've never used it since I just use Zune to sync my music.


    ...Likewise, I really doubt people that aren't in this tech bubble world get that miffed over a missed update that they would lose trust with a phone manufacturer. If that were true, I would imagine there would've been a higher turn over rate a few years ago when HTC and Samsung wouldn't update their Android phones to the latest update.
    Exactly, which is a battle I always have to fight at work to "know my users" and when I demo things to them, I have to pick the things that matter to them. No point showing off People Hub feeds to someone that doesn't use Facebook/Twitter, but I know they travel so I show them the Local Scout features.
    09-09-2012 04:53 PM
  8. Winterfang's Avatar
    Can you clarify on Slacker? I've never used it since I just use Zune to sync my music.


    Slacker Radio is the laggiest piece of garbage in the history of programs. The app has take me as long as 8 minutes from opening the app to play a song.

    The app stop playing music just because all the time

    Scrolling? hahahaha the app is so slow, so unresponsive, so terrible that it should be illegal to use while driving.

    You can chose you favorite stations and pinned them for rapid use but you have to press the play button as much as 25 times.

    Don't like a song and want to skip it? Sure just press the button, there's only a 50/50 the apps either closes, freezes or takes as much as 5 minutes to actually start playing.

    The app is beautiful and fully feature, with artist biographies and more but is so laggy that I just press play and hope it works.

    I've actually had dreams where I win the lottery and go to the programmers homes and just beat them, beat them with a sock full of quarters. Beat them and TP their houses, beat them and waste my lottery money seducing their wives.
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    09-09-2012 05:06 PM
  9. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    LMAO! Thanks for that visual! :)

    I'll keep that in mind though, and I'll stick to my music collection.
    09-09-2012 05:12 PM
  10. Reflexx's Avatar
    Some of you seriously just need to go with a different OS.
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    09-09-2012 06:34 PM
  11. squire777's Avatar
    That's actually bad for Windows Phone. For a example I though a picture of a friend of mine and inmediatly after I took it, she asked me to edit it with Instangram. I told her my phone doesn't have that app, she looked at me in disbelief and I just said. Well is an old phone ^_^U. She actually said that I throw my phone in the garbage.

    Your friend wanted you to edit with Instagram, but you didn't realize that there are many apps out there that let you apply the same effects?


    Some of you seriously just need to go with a different OS.
    With all the mindless nitpicking and whining going on here lately I'm wondering why some even have accounts here.
    09-10-2012 01:31 AM
  12. Winterfang's Avatar
    Your friend wanted you to edit with Instagram, but you didn't realize that there are many apps out there that let you apply the same effects?




    With all the mindless nitpicking and whining going on here lately I'm wondering why some even have accounts here.
    Yeah but then it wouldn't say uploaded by Instangram. It's not just the effect is the community. also it sounds cooler.
    09-10-2012 10:02 AM
  13. Reflexx's Avatar
    Well, apparently Instagram is coming to WP8, so that's not going to be an issue. Though I don't really understand why it's "cooler". More common? Sure. Cooler? What?

    I was also thinking a bit about the video scandal and realized something.

    There were two main videos.

    One was the OIS video with the biking girl. That started out as a teaser to get people interested in the OIS technology.

    There's another video that has the 920 with a competing camera on a little rig where someone walks and you could see the difference in the two cameras. This was a real video with an actual 920 prototype.

    I've also heard that many people AT NOKIA didn't know that the teaser video demonstrating OIS wasn't done with a prototype device. I'm sure some people in marketing knew. But a lot of others didn't.

    Then someone, somewhere, who obviously wasn't in the know, decided to present both videos one right after the other during the product announcement.

    And a scandal was born.

    I suspect that Nokia's internal investigation isn't about how the original video was made. But more about WHY everyone wasn't made aware that it wasn't using a prototype 920. And WHY it got as far as being presented together with another video without anyone stepping in and saying, "Yeah.. don't do that. Present them seperately because one if for the tech in general, and the other is for the actual device."
    09-10-2012 01:33 PM
  14. Winterfang's Avatar
    Well is still an issue, my phone will never get WP8. So there's a chance my device never gets the app.
    09-10-2012 02:34 PM
  15. Big Supes's Avatar
    Well is still an issue, my phone will never get WP8. So there's a chance my device never gets the app.
    And, let me guess... you're never upgrading, right? :P :D
    09-10-2012 02:55 PM
  16. Winterfang's Avatar
    I don't know yet, my upgrade is due to march. Who knows what happens till them.
    09-10-2012 03:21 PM
  17. Big Supes's Avatar
    I don't know yet, my upgrade is due to march. Who knows what happens till them.
    Just in time for the second gen Wp8 devices, I reckon. Then it will be my turn to be jealous!
    09-10-2012 03:24 PM
  18. Winterfang's Avatar
    Don't be, the real cool stuff is always by the end of the year. In march all you get are prototypes and refreshed handsets. But the phones are affordable =)
    09-10-2012 03:27 PM
  19. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Another vid posted showing OIS

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    09-11-2012 02:30 AM
  20. lordofthereef's Avatar
    It's basically common knowledge at this point that the OIS really is as good, or damn near as good, as Nokia claims it is. What people don't understand is that the vast majority of videos that show off features of ANY product are either simulated, enhanced, altered, or (insert word that means it didn't come straight from the phone and to the TV screen). Nokia's goof was not letting people know with an "images simulated" or some such warning at the bottom of the screen. The outrage that this has caused on the interwebs is shocking, quite frankly. First of all, the phone hasn't even been released. Calling this a "lie" is a little bit harsh I think. Nokia almost immediately began looking into it. This is another thing people need to understand. When these ads are shot, they are done by a professional production studio, cut, edited, and then shown to some higher ups. If the video looks good, it makes it to the public. This likely was an honest mistake, oversight, whatever you want to call it, especially with the OIS really REALLY is incredibly solid.
    09-17-2012 11:41 PM
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