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  1. Reflexx's Avatar
    Also, what is up with your obsession with the "yellow phone"?
    I wonder what his issue is with the yellow phone also. I like it. I'm thinking I'll get yellow, and my wife will get
    red.

    Several tech outlets said they were unsure about the yellow until they actually saw it in person and found it to be really attractive.
    cedarlog likes this.
    09-10-2012 05:40 PM
  2. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    This is counter-productive to me - consumers should actively attack the short-comings and failures of products and switch at will to send economic signals to producers to improve their products. Buying products out of loyalty or keeping critiques to yourself sends completely the wrong message.

    The only team I am on is mine.
    On the contrary, it's counter productive to attack a product at all. It didn't do anything wrong, it didn't offend anyone. Attack a company run by humans, fine. Criticize a platform and product that you dislike, fine. But seriously? Attack/Bash/Hate a piece of plastic? That's straight up ignorant and nuts.

    I will point out the differences in a product, and I'll constructively voice my opinions of a product-- good and bad-- but I'm not going to attack a product. Go read some of my posts. I call the Samsung Ativ things like "boring" and "me too" in terms of design, but not once have I criticized the specs.

    Even in the case of Apple, I only criticize the devices, but I call fanatics of Apple "Appleites", and I constructively point out that the iPhone's improvements are barely evolutionary and make fun of Apple for calling it magical or revolutionary in any way, shape or form.

    Finally, every device represented on this forum is a Windows Phone device, which means that-- aside from OEM-specific apps like the Nokia apps-- we all have largely the same experience. I choose to put Windows Phone platform ahead of any carrier or OEM.


    agreed. the ignore list is a wonderful thing which has allowed me to continue coming here daily and participating in actual discussions about current/upcoming phones/OS versions without having to wade thru the tons of pointless negativity. It is sad though that I have had to use that feature of these forums at all since I would much prefer to hear the different opinions from EVERYONE... but when there are members who have nothing substantative to contribute but still insist on trying to force us all to accept their opinions as if they were facts... well, not really alot of other choices for me than the ignore list. :dry
    Precisely! :)
    09-10-2012 06:09 PM
  3. Winterfang's Avatar
    Are you telling me that nobody else but me was expecting the 808 on a Windows Phone 8 devices?

    Because I'm pretty sure from the moment the device was announced, everyone expect it Nokia to put out the same camera on the next generation of Windows Phone 8 devices.

    They were mock ups, the word Windows Phone probably appeared on most tech blogs when talking first about the device.

    But sure, I'm the only person in the world that wanted a real Pureview Windows Phone 8 device. Nobody else, just me.
    Good point. I'd probably choose another vendor at that point if it was important to me. If it wasn't then I'd probably not care that much. Those who are expecting the 41 mp pureview are apt to go elsewhere if that turns them off enough sure, but if a camera is important to them and Nokia is the best out there (and I'm not saying it is), going to someone else would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face.


    Also, what is up with your obsession with the "yellow phone"?
    The yellow phone argument is against the point that Nokia shouldn't risk losses by making a niche product like a Pureview Windows Phone. When they have their flagship device coming in bright yellow.

    Now I ask you, how many bright yellow phones had you seen coming out this year? I've seen two Galaxy Beam and Mini 2, both in very low quantities.

    Who is the mass appeal that is calling for yellow phones? Also the other thing that makes that point moot is that Nokia already release the 808 running an OS that no one wants ,that makes it even more niche.
    09-10-2012 06:20 PM
  4. crystal_planet's Avatar
    The yellow phone argument is against the point that Nokia shouldn't risk losses by making a niche product like a Pureview Windows Phone. When they have their flagship device coming in bright yellow.

    Now I ask you, how many bright yellow phones had you seen coming out this year? I've seen two Galaxy Beam and Mini 2, both in very low quantities.

    Who is the mass appeal that is calling for yellow phones? Also the other thing that makes that point moot is that Nokia already release the 808 running an OS that no one wants ,that makes it even more niche.
    Yeah but it's only one colour in a choice of five. Personally, I wouldn't get yellow either - but some might.
    09-10-2012 06:39 PM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    The yellow phone argument is against the point that Nokia shouldn't risk losses by making a niche product like a Pureview Windows Phone. When they have their flagship device coming in bright yellow.

    Now I ask you, how many bright yellow phones had you seen coming out this year? I've seen two Galaxy Beam and Mini 2, both in very low quantities.

    Who is the mass appeal that is calling for yellow phones? Also the other thing that makes that point moot is that Nokia already release the 808 running an OS that no one wants ,that makes it even more niche.
    It's just a color. They will just produce less of the hues that have lower demand.

    It's an easy and inexpensive adjustment for them.

    So your argument doesnt really apply.
    09-10-2012 07:29 PM
  6. cedarlog's Avatar
    Just an observation, Winterfang...

    Constructive criticism always makes for a healthy conversation, but 90% of your posts are hot air, from a personal viewpoint. You may feel that Nokia are making every mistake in the book, X/Y/Z, but you really need to substantiate 'how' & 'why', and what your approach would have been. Without the latter, you're coming off as someone who is only interested in slagging off Nokia.

    Just my two pence.
    my thoughts exactly
    i don't like samsung but i don't have to post on every single thread how much i dislike samsung
    the great thing about windows phone its available on multiple handset makers if you don't like one you can pick what ever you want :)
    Last edited by torchxit; 09-10-2012 at 10:34 PM.
    09-10-2012 07:34 PM
  7. AngryNil's Avatar
    What if the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 had a 3.5 screen? Then Samsung will hype it saying.

    "Well you see, the note part of the name wasn't because of the screen size but because of this new memo technology that doesn't have anything to do with the actual size of the previous device".

    Wouldn't you scream BS? the same is with the 920, the shouldn't had used the Pureview name since people will automatically expect that big powerful sensor.
    Why would anyone scream BS? Note has nothing to do with screen size, it is their brand for devices with styli and digitisers.
    09-11-2012 04:45 AM
  8. cgk's Avatar
    So going back to the OP - did we identify the paid shills?

    Are we forming a committee to question members about their political activities? Get them to swear a loyalty oath?
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    09-11-2012 05:04 AM
  9. Reflexx's Avatar
    I have noticed that there have been some people that have no posting history other than Nokia bashing.

    When new people sign up and start bashing, it is suspect.

    Though to me it points more to some of them being fans from other OS sites trying to cause trouble.
    09-11-2012 08:32 AM
  10. brmiller1976's Avatar
    So, to summarize the thrust of the thread:

    1) All criticism of Nokia is unwelcome;
    2) Everything Nokia has done is perfect and beyond everyone else;
    3) Anybody who criticizes Nokia is therefore a paid troll because everything Nokia does is perfect.

    Gotcha.

    I'd respond more, but I have to go pick up my paycheck now. Apple, Motorola, Google, HTC, Samsung, and RIM are all contributing to the anti-Nokia Fund that pays all of us, so the checks are HUGE! ;)
    Winterfang likes this.
    09-11-2012 10:18 AM
  11. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    So, to summarize the thrust of the thread:

    1) All criticism of Nokia is unwelcome;
    2) Everything Nokia has done is perfect and beyond everyone else;
    3) Anybody who criticizes Nokia is therefore a paid troll because everything Nokia does is perfect.

    Gotcha.

    I'd respond more, but I have to go pick up my paycheck now. Apple, Motorola, Google, HTC, Samsung, and RIM are all contributing to the anti-Nokia Fund that pays all of us, so the checks are HUGE! ;)
    :lol::lol::lol:
    That reminds me of one of the Crackberry forum posters. In her "location" she put "Apparently paid to post here--who knew?"
    09-11-2012 11:02 AM
  12. squire777's Avatar
    No one is saying that criticism of Nokia is unwelcome, but certain posters here have been making outlandish statements since the 920 launch and it irritates people. There is a way to be constructive with criticism, and there's a way to just be a pain in the arse.
    09-11-2012 11:35 AM
  13. Reflexx's Avatar
    So, to summarize the thrust of the thread:

    1) All criticism of Nokia is unwelcome;
    2) Everything Nokia has done is perfect and beyond everyone else;
    3) Anybody who criticizes Nokia is therefore a paid troll because everything Nokia does is perfect.

    Gotcha.

    I'd respond more, but I have to go pick up my paycheck now. Apple, Motorola, Google, HTC, Samsung, and RIM are all contributing to the anti-Nokia Fund that pays all of us, so the checks are HUGE! ;)
    Seriously. Do you honestly believe that the only way to look at things is in extremes?
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    09-11-2012 11:41 AM
  14. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    I have noticed that there have been some people that have no posting history other than Nokia bashing.

    When new people sign up and start bashing, it is suspect.

    Though to me it points more to some of them being fans from other OS sites trying to cause trouble.
    My only problem with the Lumia is the thickness and I admit it, my first post here on WPcentral was about that, but I understand that it is subjective. My point was that in a match up Nokia VS Samsung, Samsung would win because they come up with quality phones, that are thin and powerful compared to the Lumia that is thicker.

    So I see myself in your post hahaha, but I do like the design.
    09-11-2012 01:28 PM
  15. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    Fine. I'm paid by a rival(hint: the name starts with S and ends with G) to hate Nokia...happy?? Didn't have to make a thread for that? Engaging so many people in this...in this boisterous debate...
    :P

    It's a phone for God's sake. A phone. Not like someone's life depends on it...phew..


    Sent from my DROID RaZr.
    09-11-2012 01:31 PM
  16. Yakkob's Avatar
    So, to summarize the thrust of the thread:

    1) All criticism of Nokia is unwelcome;
    2) Everything Nokia has done is perfect and beyond everyone else;
    3) Anybody who criticizes Nokia is therefore a paid troll because everything Nokia does is perfect.

    Gotcha.

    I'd respond more, but I have to go pick up my paycheck now. Apple, Motorola, Google, HTC, Samsung, and RIM are all contributing to the anti-Nokia Fund that pays all of us, so the checks are HUGE! ;)
    Not extremist much ;)

    1) Nope.
    2) Nope.
    3) Nope.

    It isn't just this site that prompted me to make this thread.
    Other sites comments are probably worse to be honest.
    As soon as anything Nokia or Windows OS is mentioned, the comments are full of systematic hatred. Downvoting like mad etc..
    I suspect the majority of these posters haven't even tried the phone or the OS, because people whoi have used my Lumia 800 and have really liked the phone and the OS, to the extent that three of them have bought one.
    Comments such as:

    'Even the missus loved it and found it really easy to use after just ten minutes. She could never get the hang of her android wit all the options, etc'

    'I'm so glad I got rid of my iphone after dropping it and having it replaced twice as it was unusable'

    This from person at head-office at a large carrier in the UK:
    'Nokia lumias are the best made phone on the market right now, and I'm swapping my iphone for the Lumia920 as soon as it arrives at headoffice'

    So with my real world mostly positive feedback and all this extreme non-stop negative trolling on the internet, I just had to throw this in and see what happened.

    I have no evidence of paid bashing, but with everything I'm reading it seems very systematic and enduring.

    Threads created with a non-positive subject seem to get bumped an awful lot also.

    Where I stand:

    I'm not a 'fanboy' of Nokia or Windows OS. I came from Blackberry (also not a fanboy). I read more than I write on forums, (and so I suppose that's where I got fed-up of the trolling.. It wears me down).
    I'm excited by the new phones and the way the OS is evolving.
    I actually think Microsoft are creating the perfect storm (so to speak) with their releasing of the surface, windows 8, windowsphone 8, everything is coming to a climax. So much so, that I do believe competitors are indeed getting worried..

    This thread has garnered some excellent replies, and it's great to hear everybodys views...

    As you were..;)
    09-11-2012 02:04 PM
  17. Reflexx's Avatar
    My only problem with the Lumia is the thickness and I admit it, my first post here on WPcentral was about that, but I understand that it is subjective. My point was that in a match up Nokia VS Samsung, Samsung would win because they come up with quality phones, that are thin and powerful compared to the Lumia that is thicker.

    So I see myself in your post hahaha, but I do like the design.
    I was actually referring to some accounts that have only a few posts. But heck, if you see yourself...:P;)
    09-11-2012 02:56 PM
  18. pjs37's Avatar
    I thought most responses to the Nokia devices were positive. What was negative was the lack of information about when, who and how much which is a pretty important point for many people who may be on the fence or holding out whoever that may be.
    09-11-2012 03:24 PM
  19. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    I was actually referring to some accounts that have only a few posts. But heck, if you see yourself...:P;)
    Honesty is important haha
    09-11-2012 03:26 PM
  20. Winterfang's Avatar
    I'm definitely paid to hate Nokia, I've being posting here since before the first Nokia phone came down in order to gain the trust of this posters but actually, I'm paid by Apple Nyac Nyac Nyac *evil*
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    09-11-2012 06:01 PM
  21. brmiller1976's Avatar
    No one is saying that criticism of Nokia is unwelcome, but certain posters here have been making outlandish statements since the 920 launch and it irritates people. There is a way to be constructive with criticism, and there's a way to just be a pain in the arse.
    Outlandish?

    You mean like "Here's a video of how OIS works on the new Lumia" followed up by "oops, we got caught making a fake video, sorry about that, but it does work, trust us."

    Some of us want WP to succeed in a competitive markets where few get second chances. We're a little concerned seeing the fate of Windows Phone overly dependent on a company that makes such amateur moves and converts the entire hype cycle from one of pricing, availability and specs to "Did Nokia commit fraud?"

    Not extremist much
    To be fair, the claim in the thread is that everyone criticizing Nokia is a paid troll. It's a bit rich to be accusing others of "extremism" when such extreme claims are made.

    Reminds me a bit of a politician accusing his competitor of being funded by "damn commie insurgent spies" and then responding with "that's extreme" when his opponent mocks the statement as transparently ridiculous.

    I'm a Windows Phone fan -- I'm not a Nokia fanboy. I reject the idea that Nokia should get a free ride, or that their statements should be taken at face value while others get scrutinized.

    I happen to believe that HTC makes the best Windows Phone 7.5 devices, and am looking forward to seeing what they announce later this month. (And BTW, if you want to criticize HTC, I will NEVER accuse you of being "paid by Nokia to knock HTC.") :)
    09-11-2012 11:41 PM
  22. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I'm definitely paid to hate Nokia, I've being posting here since before the first Nokia phone came down in order to gain the trust of this posters but actually, I'm paid by Apple Nyac Nyac Nyac *evil*
    Every post I make gets me $40 in Apple store cash, $25 in Samsung Galaxy S discounts, and $12 in HTC 8X credits. (RIM offered me 1/20th of a BlackBerry Bold 9900 for each post, but I didn't see much value in that). :)
    09-11-2012 11:44 PM
  23. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Every post I make gets me $40 in Apple store cash, $25 in Samsung Galaxy S discounts, and $12 in HTC 8X credits. (RIM offered me 1/20th of a BlackBerry Bold 9900 for each post, but I didn't see much value in that). :)
    Personally I'm getting so much iPhones and GS3, I really don't know what to do with them, one for every day of the month is more than enough.
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    09-12-2012 06:14 AM
  24. OMG55's Avatar
    Well, while most reviews/previews I've read are fair (except for a certain German Tabloid who mostly finds nothing has a chance against a device with a bitten fruit on it), I see the most hate/despise from commenters. And there, every big smartphone producer is in a drawer:

    Nokia as a) the underdog fighting for survival ("Without avail" as a second option on that drawer) or as an old(fashioned) company or b) the company that produces devices that can be used as body armour,
    Apple as a) either the company that rules the world and invented everything or b) the unimaginative company that became the evil that they wanted to fight,
    Samsung as a) the company that copies everything or b) the company that gives the users more choices and freedom,
    HTC as the company that is a little boring,
    Sony as the company that just isn't interesting anymore,
    RIM as RIP or as company that produces devides for yuppies (one doesn't see many BB devices in private people's hands, it has never been very popular in my country),
    Microsoft as the company that produces software that will go bluescreen and attract viruses,
    and so on.

    (Please note that these examples don't mirror my personal opionion. Well, with one exception, to be honest :P)

    Some company names/devices just seem to trigger this or the other opinion. Seems to be human nature to put things in drawers and leave them there as opposed to reevaluate ones opionion which is much more timeconsuming ...

    (I'm very glad I spent some time reavluating WP, because earlier I was one of the people afraid of bluescreen which kept me from getting a HTC WP device in 2011)
    On the subject of MS the company the produces software that will blue screen or attract viruses, I have to disagree a bit.

    1. When your the company that controls 90% of all computer OS's, you are a target of hackers; this raises the virus threat to your system

    2. 90% of viruses on a windows PC are allowed in by un-informed users who go the suspect websites or click on the first pop-up that appears on their screens which is probably spyware, malware

    3. Most blue screen are caused by memory dumps, driver updates or hardware issues, which are primarily manufacture driven

    4. I havent run anti-viruses on any of my systems in at least 5 years and only had 1 virus in that time and it was due to my kid using my system.
    09-12-2012 08:25 AM
  25. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Windows used to be awful. But since XP, it's been decent, and since 7, it's been outstanding.

    People talking about "blue screens on Windows Phones" are as ignorant as people talking about "Type 11 errors on iPhones." It's propaganda.
    09-12-2012 11:50 AM
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