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10-02-2012 01:08 PM
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  1. fingrar's Avatar
    The UK pricing of WP 8X was released, link at bottom, at 531. YES pounds! This phone with a 16gb non expendable memory costs more than the Galaxy at release. With the Lumia 920 having slightly better specs and way more marketing invested in it, will the price be higher? And whats your guess on the pricing for L920 and L820? Sadly ill be forced to wait a couple of months or get the L820 if the pricing is anyways near.

    Please Nokia, set the price at 450










    Amazon UK lists unlocked HTC 8X Windows Phone for 531.43 | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews
    09-25-2012 06:11 AM
  2. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    So that's in pounds? How much is that in US Dollars? Keeping in mind that's the full UNLOCKED price, so how does it compare to other unlocked phones?
    09-25-2012 06:23 AM
  3. ctafield's Avatar
    The UK pricing of WP 8X was released, link at bottom, at 531. YES pounds!
    The price isn't released at all... that's just Amazon's current price for it. Amazon - who are known to shift prices up and down like there's no tomorrow.

    Clove, and Expansys, both have it listed at 399.99... but again that's not official either... although I trust their phone prices more than I trust Amazon's.
    09-25-2012 06:27 AM
  4. fingrar's Avatar
    So that's in pounds? How much is that in US Dollars? Keeping in mind that's the full UNLOCKED price, so how does it compare to other unlocked phones?
    That's 861 dollars. New record for a phone haha ? Anyways don't think the UK and US price will be similar.
    09-25-2012 06:27 AM
  5. Funtastic Software's Avatar
    531 pounds is around 870 US Dollars.
    09-25-2012 06:28 AM
  6. cedarlog's Avatar
    One word : Expensive
    09-25-2012 06:37 AM
  7. borjeboy's Avatar
    Humm i expected the lumia 920 to go for 500 or something like that and htc to be cheaper than that. You can't be more expensive then iPhone 5.
    09-25-2012 06:39 AM
  8. Vallos's Avatar
    You can't be more expensive then iPhone 5.
    I am of the same mind set. Microsoft/Nokia/HTC wants and needs to be competitive, so I can't see it being more expensive than the iPhone.
    09-25-2012 08:07 AM
  9. Winterfang's Avatar
    531 pounds is around 870 US Dollars.
    Yeah there's not way it cost that much. Those are Iphone 64G prices.
    09-25-2012 09:11 AM
  10. Bearach's Avatar
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    09-25-2012 09:23 AM
  11. Faux Carnival's Avatar
    Lumia 920 is 32GB and its price should be equal to or lower than iPhone 5 32 GB's or it won't sell.
    09-25-2012 09:26 AM
  12. holzlondon's Avatar
    Guys, please remember that in Europe, sales tax, or VAT is included in any pricing, and ranges from approximately 15-23% if I'm not mistaken within the different EU countries.

    The UK is at 20%, so without VAT that would be about 442, which would be about $762.

    Admittedly, still high, but not as bad as it may have seemed at first. That still doesn't bode well for us here in Europe.

    But still, it is just a guestimate from Amazon at this point, so let's not get too anxious yet.
    09-25-2012 09:33 AM
  13. Hammered Pizza's Avatar
    Stop getting your knickers in a twist - UK here, and Amazon isn't even a minor player in the market. They charge about 150% of the price of a high street retailer, and don't offer contracts.

    399.99 is far more realistic. In the UK, Amazon is a 'backstreet' seller when it comes to dealing in mobiles.
    09-25-2012 10:46 AM
  14. jfa1's Avatar
    prices quoted on pre order aree subject to change I am thinking that the price will change for the better before launch dates!
    09-25-2012 12:00 PM
  15. bobdonkey's Avatar
    RRP is 449,95, but it is already being listed at 399 which is not too bad in my opinion.

    HTC 8X | MobiCity UK

    HTC Windows Phone 8X (Red) - Expansys.com UK
    09-27-2012 08:26 AM
  16. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Keep in mind that UK prices include a sky-high VAT and other taxes. US pricing is about 1/4 to 1/3 less on electronics, on average, than in Britain.

    However, I do agree that the WP phone prices are way too high, based on the announcements by Nokia in Europe and the initial pricing announcements for the 8X in the USA.

    WP is a "gamble" for the average user, so it needs to sell at a deep discount to get traction. Nokia's strategy to price the 820 at around the same price as the S III is downright mystifying... I cannot see someone on T-Mobile or Verizon or AT&T picking up a low-res mid-tier device over the S III. (The 16 gigabyte S III is $550 at T-Mo right now).

    The only way WP will get traction in an Android and iPhone world is being better AND much cheaper. That means FREE on T-Mobile with a two-year contract, and no more than US $400 off-contract.

    Samsung sells a lot of S IIIs, and the ATIV is a slightly restyled S III. Perhaps their economies of scale can deliver the low prices that are necessary on WP devices, similar to what they've done with Android.
    09-27-2012 10:18 PM
  17. squire777's Avatar
    I think people can ease up a little now that the Amazon UK price for the 8X has dropped to 399.

    HTC 8X Windows Phone 8 UK Sim Free Smartphone - Black: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics


    That should translate to about $500 here for off contract since you can't do a straight conversion.
    09-28-2012 11:05 AM
  18. brmiller1976's Avatar
    A little birdie tells me that T-Mo will price the 8X at about $550.

    (Still too expensive, IMO).
    09-28-2012 11:23 AM
  19. Winterfang's Avatar
    I think people can ease up a little now that the Amazon UK price for the 8X has dropped to 399.

    HTC 8X Windows Phone 8 UK Sim Free Smartphone - Black: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics


    That should translate to about $500 here for off contract since you can't do a straight conversion.
    500 is good =)
    09-28-2012 11:24 AM
  20. baseballbert's Avatar
    Didn't htc already say the 8X will be $199 in contract?
    09-28-2012 06:06 PM
  21. jfa1's Avatar
    The supposed prices hgave already dropped a bit from the news/reports I have seen!
    09-28-2012 09:14 PM
  22. freestaterocker's Avatar
    That's 861 dollars. New record for a phone haha ? Anyways don't think the UK and US price will be similar.
    Not a record. The 64gb iPhone 5 is $899. And the UK price includes VAT. And these things rarely translate over. Electronics are expensive over there.
    09-28-2012 09:24 PM
  23. jdevenberg's Avatar
    Didn't htc already say the 8X will be $199 in contract?
    Yes. But this is a discussion of off contract pricing (real price) and not contract price (subsidized price).

    If it is $500 off contract I may get it. I got a Lumia 900 in April, so I'm not due an upgrade for a while.
    09-29-2012 12:09 AM
  24. chevans920's Avatar
    I just ended a contract and if I can get a 920, $500-$600off contract, could be worth it... Of course depends on contract offerings too, if in time they come in anywhere near 900 prices, we will be golden!
    09-29-2012 12:57 AM
  25. ramrac's Avatar
    I'll just copy my post from the comment section that I wrote as a response to someone who compared the 399 GBP Amazon price of the 8X to the Lumia 920's 649 EUR MSRP (suggested retail price), as to why I think that comparing prices of these two phones, and expecting them to compare/match each other, is idiotic.

    His original post:
    "And I compare price of 649 and 399 , this is a big gap for me."

    My reply:

    You are wrong in actually THREE points, not even one. I will list you your mistakes, and then resolve them for you.

    For one, you are comparing British Pounds to Euros. They are not 1:1, as you seem to think.

    Then, you are comparing a pre-order actual sales price, to a suggested retail price. The 8X has a suggested retail price as well...

    Then, you are comparing the prices of two phones in completely different classes with each other. With that, you suggest that they are comparable (i.e. on the same level) in what they bring and offer to the user/buyer, and equate them to the same level, if though they are not and are actually pretty far apart in what they offer.


    Now to resolve your problems:

    1. One GBP is not one Euro. It's 1.255 Euros. Now, you are comparing 399 GB POUNDS actual sales price to 650 EUROS suggested retail price, as if it was a matter of 399 vs 650. In reality, you are comparing 500 EUROS actual sales price to 650 EUROS suggested retail price.


    2. The suggested retail price of the 8X is 550 if I remember correctly. That's 100 Euros, or 79 GB Pounds, less than the suggested retail price of the Lumia 920. Now, the 8X is pre-orderable for 500, which is 50 below it's suggested retail price. If we assume that the Lumia 920 will also be pre-orderable for 50 below it's MSRP, it would be 600 and therefore again the same 100/79GBP difference in price.


    3. Now the third and most important problem is your proposition of comparing the price of those two phones as if they were equal offerings, where one can just pick the one that is cheaper and get the same. I will list you the features that elevate the Lumia 920 above the 8X, so that you (and others who are reading and have fallen into the same misconception) can understand why they are not equal and why it is completely understandable and justifyable that the 920 isn't "as cheap" as the 8X:

    I don't think I need to mention the camera, which is loads better because of its better lens, imaging sensor and the expensive IS (Image Stabilisation) technology.


    Next up is the screen, it's not just that the Lumia 920's screen is bigger, as in taller and more inches on the datasheet (like Samsung, now also Apple with the 5, and pretty much all Android manufacturers do) , but it is wider and offers a 16:10 screen ratio compared to the 16:9 ratio of the HTC, with an accompanying higher resolution and extra pixels in the space that it has more, and with that it offers more screen real estate, and is helpful for example in landscape mode, where it offers more vertical space for example when reading websites or documents, composing messages or emails (you get to see more of what is above your keyboard), or navigating.

    Here's a comparison of the two screen sizes, as you can see, it's not really much taller, but it's wider (also, feel free to change the 4.3 to 4.8 and discover that the 4.8 inch display of the Ativ S is only taller, not even wider - so much for "bigger" screen and the Android-ridiculousness of "inches" as screen size indicators):
    Visual TV Size Comparison : 4.3 inch 16x9 display vs 4.5 inch 16x10 display

    Here, I made screenshots of the comparisons, the Lumia 920 screen is the green one:

    Lumia 920 vs HTC 8X screen size comparison:


    Lumia 920 vs Samsung Ativ S screen size comparison:




    Then, the screen isn't just bigger and actually offers more space for things (as opposed to just being bigger but offering the same space as a smaller one with the same resolution because things just get larger, no, this screen offers more space), it is also made with much better technology on several levels:

    It has twice the screen refresh rate, which (at least in my opinion) is important for the Windows Phone OS, because it is scroll intensive and has a lot of fonts, and when I scroll on my current phone, I can't read the words as they are flying by because they become blurred. Nokias display in the 920 solves that, as it now has a screen refresh rate that matches the phone UI's framerate. Also, it has a ClearBlack screen, which means it has a polarized screen that offers much better legibility outdoors. Often, I can't properly see what's on my scren when I'm outdoors, because of the reflection, and even tilting the screen doesn't help. Cleablack helps a lot.

    It also has a new touch technology that doesn't need contact with your skin, but also works with fingernails, gloves, pencils or other objects. I can't tell you how often I've seen women struggle with capacitive displays because of their fingernails, and how often I was amazed how well and precise they can handle (for me unusable) resistive tiny-screen phones because of their fingernails. I also can't count how many times I had to use my nose as an input device to tap on something, because I had gloves on in the winter and I had no time or desire to take them off.

    Here's a video of it being used with a fork and gloves:


    (Oh, and off topic, the Nokia 808 also seems to support gloves!
    )

    Then, there's the exclusive Nokia Apps which add A LOT of value to the phone. I won't even get started on the exclusive Apps of big names and companies that Nokia is bringing to WP, which otherwise wouldn't be available, some of which will be exclusive to Lumia's for a while. The Nokia Apps and Services alone are worth boatloads of money for me (and cost them a lot to develop, unlike the handful of mediocre crap-Apps that other WP manufacturers offer, which are all years old and far behind any free App of the same function from the Marketplace). I use a first generation LG Optimus 7, but I recently bought a Lumia 710 for a friend, and I can't tell you how jealous I am of her phone. While it would be completely understandable to assume that it's the same phone experience because it's the same OS, it just isn't. The experience with the Lumia is just so much nicer and better. The Nokia Mix Radio is SO GREAT, I can't stress it enough, and that alone would be totally worth a 50+ Euro premium for me. I know, not for most people and most people don't even know it exists and don't have it in their equation when deciding whether to buy a Lumia, but I have seen it and I am so jealous that I don't have it. There's a lot of great music, organized into several great channels (for example, the Top 40 of different countries, Celebrity composed Playlists, New songs, Genres and Era's etc). They are also not composed by a software algorithm that always lumps in the same 5 bands with each other, but by actual people who work as sort of Radio DJ's and put a lot of thought and effort into these mixes, resulting in great mixes with a lot of surprises and songs one usually would never find on such a Mix. Read about it here: Music Lessons: the secrets behind Nokia Mix Radio Nokia Conversations : the official Nokia blog...

    I think I don't have to mention Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps, Nokia Transit and Nokia eBooks, I think everyone has heard about them by now. If not, just google for "Nokia Lumia Apps" and you'll find them on Nokias site.


    Then there's the wireless charging technology, which also isn't free and offers plenty of value. I always put my phone on the same spot on my table (a flat pack of gum, because the metal backside directly my table just feels and sounds awkward and "scratchy"), where it is constantly discharging (by nature, it looses power), and when I want to charge it, I have to actively want to do that and think of it (for example before going out, I can't forget to charge it otherwise I'm screwed), and find the cable and plug it in away from where I am sitting, which is a hassle because then I can't use it and have to stand up and walk back and forth to answer messages or the phone. The idea of being able to just drop it on the same, soft spot (protection from scratching, accidentally pushing it off the table or whatever) and it will just charge itself all by itself, and will always be fully charged when I need it or spontaniously head out or whatever, and the ability to, when it is charging, just pick it up, answer the message and put it back to charging, without having to adhere to a cable, is great in my mind. Didn't really think of this earlier, but now as I mentioned it, all of this just hit me.


    For me, the 8X compares much more with the Lumia 820 than with the Lumia 920. The 8X is basically a 820 with a higher screen resolution, a better camera sensor and without all the Nokia Apps. Same processor, RAM and other hardware. The 8X is basically your usual Android phone that just ticks the boxes. ..720p resolution..it's there...S4 1.5Ghz...it's there...larger screen...it's there...1GB RAM...it's there... and so on.
    While the 920 is just jam-packed with technology and features, with everything there is (just like in the good "old" days, when Nokia N-series smartphones like the N95 were packed with absolutely everything), and has all the best, so many technologies and outstanding stuff in fact, that I have yet to see Nokia (or any user on the internet) list EVERYTHING all at once. There's several points for every thing, be it the screen, the camera, their several exclusive Nokia apps etc etc..

    And all of what I listed above costs money. And the Lumia 920 is only 100's more expensive than the HTC 8X, while offering A LOT of cutting edge and expensive technology that is not available in the 8X. I am very certain that Nokia will be making less money (in actual money as well as in %) per Lumia 920 sold, than HTC per 8X. So much for cheaper, too expensive or whatever.
    09-30-2012 11:50 AM
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