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  1. Mitlov's Avatar
    The problem I see is if they don't buy from ZTE or Huawei, who else makes it but another Chinese factory?
    Lenovo, a Chinese company, has just opened a manufacturing facility in the US. Neither Apple nor Dell nor HP nor (I believe) Microsoft have manufacturing facilities in the US...they make everything in China. IRONIC.
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    10-08-2012 06:52 PM
  2. brmiller1976's Avatar
    The anti-China stuff strikes me as hyperbole. If "China is modifying electronics with backdoor security hacks" as the US government alleges, then we're all in trouble, since Chinese companies make almost every major technology company's products.
    10-08-2012 08:10 PM
  3. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    Lenovo, a Chinese company, has just opened a manufacturing facility in the US. Neither Apple nor Dell nor HP nor (I believe) Microsoft have manufacturing facilities in the US...they make everything in China. IRONIC.
    Microsoft is a software company. It doesn't "manufacture" anything.

    Its primary products (Windows, Office, Windows Phone) are all developed in the US, though.
    10-08-2012 08:37 PM
  4. palandri's Avatar
    Microsoft is a software company. It doesn't "manufacture" anything.

    Its primary products (Windows, Office, Windows Phone) are all developed in the US, though.
    They have keyboards, mouses, xBox that someone manufactures for them.....plus someone has to make their CD's and cases, who i don't know.
    10-08-2012 08:42 PM
  5. Mitlov's Avatar
    They have keyboards, mouses, xBox that someone manufactures for them.....plus someone has to make their CD's and cases, who i don't know.
    Exactly. And don't forget the popular Microsoft Lifecam line of webcams. And the new Surface tablet. Microsoft sells plenty of Microsoft-branded hardware...they're not solely a software company as Sentiment said.
    10-08-2012 09:19 PM
  6. squire777's Avatar
    I'm not buying this new report that came out against ZTE and Huawei. I'm sure Western powers have done their share of spying through technology the last few decades. And that's not to say that those Chinese companies would even try it.

    It's an election year in the US so there is a lot of foreign policy BS flying around at the moment.
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    10-08-2012 11:53 PM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    There is also the issue of software piracy.

    Top 20 Economies in Commercial Value of
    Pirated PC Software, 2011
    Pirated
    Legal
    Piracy
    Value
    Sales
    Rate
    ($M)
    ($M)
    US
    $9,773
    $41,664
    19%
    China
    $8,902
    $2,659
    77%
    Russia
    $3,227
    $1,895
    63%
    India
    $2,930
    $1,721
    63%
    Brazil
    $2,848
    $2,526
    53%
    France
    $2,754
    $4,689
    37%
    Germany
    $2,265
    $6,447
    26%
    Italy
    $1,945
    $2,107
    48%
    UK
    $1,943
    $5,530
    26%
    Japan
    $1,875
    $7,054
    21%
    Indonesia
    $1,467
    $239
    86%
    Mexico
    $1,249
    $942
    57%
    Spain
    $1,216
    $1,548
    44%
    Canada
    $1,141
    $3,085
    27%
    Thailand
    $852
    $331
    72%
    South Korea
    $815
    $1,223
    40%
    Australia
    $763
    $2,554
    23%
    Venezuela
    $668
    $91
    88%
    Malaysia
    $657
    $538
    55%
    Argentina
    $657
    $295
    69%


    http://portal.bsa.org/globalpiracy20...y-Standard.pdf

    http://portal.bsa.org/globalpiracy20...dy-InBrief.pdf
    Last edited by Laura Knotek; 10-09-2012 at 01:19 AM. Reason: added another link
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    10-09-2012 01:15 AM
  8. Mitlov's Avatar
    We spy on China and China spies on us. It doesn't keep me up at night. Why? Because China needs us as much as we need them. We're each other's biggest trading partners. There will never be a war between the US and China. You don't bomb your #1 customer or your #1 wholesaler. It doesn't make sense.

    I wish China would treat its own citizens better, but do I fear them? No. Not at all. China doesn't pose a threat to me.
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