1. Winterfang's Avatar
    The more I look at the 810, the better it looks. (Well that's because is basically an Iphone4/Optimus Black on the front but that's nor here or there) I really though Nokia would be that stupid and even worse people thinking not having a phone on T-mobile will work.

    The 810 seems a lot better than the 820, even though I believe T-mobile deserves an even better phone.
    10-09-2012 09:30 AM
  2. VagrantWade's Avatar
    The more I look at the 810, the better it looks. (Well that's because is basically an Iphone4/Optimus Black on the front but that's nor here or there) I really though Nokia would be that stupid and even worse people thinking not having a phone on T-mobile will work.

    The 810 seems a lot better than the 820, even though I believe T-mobile deserves an even better phone.
    I like the look of the 810 a lot. Not a fan of the mediocre specs though.

    And to say T-Mobile deserves a better phone is silly. T-Mobile is a company that was almost bought out, then sat in limbo for a long time. You may like them because they are an underdog, but there is no real advantageous reason for any company to put a flagship phone with them.
    10-09-2012 09:40 AM
  3. snowmutt's Avatar
    I like the look of the 810 a lot. Not a fan of the mediocre specs though.

    And to say T-Mobile deserves a better phone is silly. T-Mobile is a company that was almost bought out, then sat in limbo for a long time. You may like them because they are an underdog, but there is no real advantageous reason for any company to put a flagship phone with them.
    I can think of 44 million reasons why a Flagship WP on T-Mobile makes sense. That is still a large customer base. And I do believe the ATIV is coming to them, so Carly will have a high end WP to tout.

    But the 810 is a good device. T-Mobile has been a strong WP supporter, so hopefully this is just the first option and not the last from Nokia.
    10-09-2012 10:16 AM
  4. VagrantWade's Avatar
    I can think of 44 million reasons why a Flagship WP on T-Mobile makes sense. That is still a large customer base. And I do believe the ATIV is coming to them, so Carly will have a high end WP to tout.

    But the 810 is a good device. T-Mobile has been a strong WP supporter, so hopefully this is just the first option and not the last from Nokia.
    44 Million including the european carriers they own? Because I don't even think T Mobile has 30 million in the U.S.
    10-09-2012 10:19 AM
  5. Winterfang's Avatar
    I like the look of the 810 a lot. Not a fan of the mediocre specs though.

    And to say T-Mobile deserves a better phone is silly. T-Mobile is a company that was almost bought out, then sat in limbo for a long time. You may like them because they are an underdog, but there is no real advantageous reason for any company to put a flagship phone with them.
    Maybe they are the underdog where you live, but here T-mobile is synonymous with quality. Fast internet and good signal. AT&T is by far the best though but is too expensive.
    10-09-2012 10:21 AM
  6. palandri's Avatar
    44 Million including the european carriers they own? Because I don't even think T Mobile has 30 million in the U.S.
    I think I read that 44 million is correct since they purchased MetroPCS. They are just a hair behind Sprint now.

    In Europe T-Mobile/Orange is really big.
    10-09-2012 10:26 AM
  7. AUCLABruin's Avatar
    44 Million including the european carriers they own? Because I don't even think T Mobile has 30 million in the U.S.
    He's probably including the approx. 10 million acquired with Metro PCS. However, those consumers have no shot at WP8 phones this year because they will be stuck on Metro's network until at least Q1 of 2013.
    10-09-2012 10:28 AM
  8. VagrantWade's Avatar
    I think I read that 44 million is correct since they purchased MetroPCS. They are just a hair behind Sprint now.
    But isn't MetroPCS non contract?
    10-09-2012 10:30 AM
  9. palandri's Avatar
    But isn't MetroPCS non contract?
    Yes they are.
    10-09-2012 10:32 AM
  10. wpguy's Avatar
    I like the look of the 810 a lot. Not a fan of the mediocre specs though.

    And to say T-Mobile deserves a better phone is silly. T-Mobile is a company that was almost bought out, then sat in limbo for a long time. You may like them because they are an underdog, but there is no real advantageous reason for any company to put a flagship phone with them.
    Yeah, and which carrier had the most TV ads featuring Windows Phone? Clue: it wasn't the Blue Death Star.
    10-09-2012 11:02 AM
  11. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Yeah, and which carrier had the most TV ads featuring Windows Phone? Clue: it wasn't the Blue Death Star.
    Except exclusivity is about profit, not which friend gets you the best birthday gift.
    10-09-2012 11:07 AM
  12. jfa1's Avatar
    The more I look at the 810, the better it looks. (Well that's because is basically an Iphone4/Optimus Black on the front but that's nor here or there) I really though Nokia would be that stupid and even worse people thinking not having a phone on T-mobile will work.

    The 810 seems a lot better than the 820, even though I believe T-mobile deserves an even better phone.
    TMo deserves whatever phonbe they agree to take. It's all about show Nokia the money and they us what you want for that money!!!!! If you dont like what T Mo has blame....TM O!
    10-09-2012 11:43 AM
  13. Winterfang's Avatar
    Yeah, let's blame everyone but Nokia.
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    10-09-2012 12:09 PM
  14. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    There's method to their madness. Although not having a flagship on every carrier will hurt them, especially on T-mobile where they lack a competitor to the S3.
    10-09-2012 12:44 PM
  15. brmiller1976's Avatar
    And to say T-Mobile deserves a better phone is silly. T-Mobile is a company that was almost bought out, then sat in limbo for a long time. You may like them because they are an underdog, but there is no real advantageous reason for any company to put a flagship phone with them.
    Let's put things in perspective here. If little underdog T-Mobile USA converted its entire smartphone user base over to WP, it would triple the size of the WP user base worldwide.

    WP OEMs are in no position to berate carriers, including T-Mobile. A 920 style phone actually makes MORE sense for T than AT&T, since the latter has eight high end phones to choose from (and the 920 will get lost in the noise) versus T, which only has two as of mid November.
    10-09-2012 12:45 PM
  16. stephen_az's Avatar
    Let's put things in perspective here. If little underdog T-Mobile USA converted its entire smartphone user base over to WP, it would triple the size of the WP user base worldwide.
    I am sorry but on what planet can you expect a carrier to "convert" all its users to another phone OS. More realistically, you are looking at a small market share company that is still deflecting rumors about long term solvency demonstrating the same adoption rates as every other carrier. Up front that is a few percent of the portion of its subscribers eligible for upgrades. That number is likely in the thousands or tens of thousands; certainly not millions.
    10-09-2012 03:13 PM
  17. stephen_az's Avatar
    Yeah, let's blame everyone but Nokia.
    Nokia's exclusivity arrangement is remarkably stupid by any logic since they are going exclusive with one carrier in a crowded market in which they are a very minor player. It is the equivalent of a car dealer saying they will be the exclusive dealer for Smart Cars - it may get press but it will hardly save your business. With that said, they are in the business of selling phones and (most likely) they had no other upfront takers. Sprint has bowed out on WP8; T-Mobile does not have the money to burn; and VZW continues to show no commitment to the platform (in spite of the fantasies some people may want to spin and believe). In the US that leaves AT&T. Personally, the only way this does make sense is if even AT&T was not biting and Nokia needed to sweeten the deal.
    10-09-2012 03:22 PM
  18. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I am sorry but on what planet can you expect a carrier to "convert" all its users to another phone OS. More realistically, you are looking at a small market share company that is still deflecting rumors about long term solvency demonstrating the same adoption rates as every other carrier. Up front that is a few percent of the portion of its subscribers eligible for upgrades. That number is likely in the thousands or tens of thousands; certainly not millions.
    T-Mobile converted its entire smartphone base to Android in less than two years.

    And T-Mobile has sold over 40% more Lumias than AT&T has this year.

    As for the "solvency" stuff, there is no basis for that claim at all. T is profitable.
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    10-09-2012 03:22 PM
  19. Mitlov's Avatar
    T-Mobile converted its entire smartphone base to Android in less than two years.
    The smartphone market was a very, very different place when Android first appeared than it is today. There are established, consumer-oriented smartphone OSes on every carrier right now. That just wasn't the case when Android hit T-Mobile...iOS was still in its early years and no other smartphone OS was consumer-oriented instead of business-oriented.
    10-09-2012 04:37 PM
  20. jfa1's Avatar
    Yeah, let's blame everyone but Nokia.
    Whoa wait a minute. Nokia is in business to make money. A carrier contacts them and says we want a Lumia 900 or whatever and Nokia says okay we need x $$ per unit and aminimum commitment at that price of x units and the carrier says cant afford that and they cant reach an agreement after negotiations and Nokia moves on. Is that Nokia's fault or the carriers fault or nobody's fault? To me it is certainly not Nokia's fault because they are entitled as the mfger to set a price for a product and if a carrier or an individual is willing to buy if for that price there's a sale and if not theres no sale no contract. That the way business works. Nokia I would think wants to sell as many units as they can and make a profit doing that and if a c arrier or company wants to buy the product it will be at an agreed price not necessarily what either party wants but at what they agree upon if there's no agreement theres no sale. So maybe its nobodies fault but to me the fault would lie with the carrier as they would be unwilling to pay what Nokia the manufacturer had to have. Look at Sprint and the IpHone and how thats cramped their abiulity to deal with WP8!
    10-09-2012 04:52 PM
  21. brmiller1976's Avatar
    The smartphone market was a very, very different place when Android first appeared than it is today. There are established, consumer-oriented smartphone OSes on every carrier right now. That just wasn't the case when Android hit T-Mobile.
    That's not really accurate. Windows Mobile, Palm OS and BlackBerry were all established and VERY popular (including on T-Mobile). Sidekick, T-Mo's own offering from Danger, was the fourth-most-popular smartphone platform in the USA. All of those were ushered out by next-generation OSes like Android.

    Today, Android and iOS are very popular, and if Windows Phone is to succeed, it needs to be the next-generation OS that ushers THEM out. That won't happen without carrier support, and T-Mo definitely isn't going to invest in driving another customer conversion on its own network if the principal supplier of handsets for Windows Phone is going to treat them with contempt (or not give them access to compelling high-end handsets that can compete with GS III).
    10-09-2012 05:37 PM
  22. crystal_planet's Avatar
    That won't happen without carrier support, and T-Mo definitely isn't going to invest in driving another customer conversion on its own network if the principal supplier of handsets for Windows Phone is going to treat them with contempt (or not give them access to compelling high-end handsets that can compete with GS III).
    So now the 8X is not a compelling high-end handset?

    HTC Windows Phone 8 | HTC 8X | New Windows Phone | T-Mobile
    10-09-2012 05:51 PM
  23. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Of course it is. But that doesn't help Nokia if hundreds of thousands of handset buyers on T-Mobile opt for an HTC rather than a Nokia offering because Nokia isn't offering a high end device on their carrier.
    10-09-2012 08:04 PM
  24. lancguy's Avatar
    I am currently on T-Mo. They have been very good to me over the years. But my company has a better corporate discount with Verizon then T-Mo. So even though Verizon is more expensive then T-Mo on contract, it still would be less for me to go to Verizon. When I heard that T-Mo was not getting the 920, I had already decided to go to Verizon. If T-Mo got a 920ish from Nokia I would stay with them. But I ain't sticking around for the 810 (which I found boring if not ugly) or the 8x.
    10-09-2012 08:46 PM
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