10-11-2012 12:47 AM
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  1. larrynj's Avatar
    Microsoft isn't in a good financial position...based on what?
    I was wondering the same thing. If every company was half a successful as MS there would be no such thing as a recession.
    10-10-2012 01:20 PM
  2. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    Nokia will struggle. And they will survive this winter. As of the next winter...its anybody's guess.

    But to me, Nokia may just extend and arm towards MS and nice versa. But no formal/contractual buying...

    Sent from my RaZr on JB!
    10-10-2012 01:28 PM
  3. luonchinguoc's Avatar
    My opinion is that Nokia and Microsoft will be closer and closer. They will not merge but will be influence each other in approaching the market like what they did for Lumia WP8.

    They will recover from crisis if they improve their supply chain system. If they could deliver the Lumia 920/820 to user just 2 or 3 week from the presentation of 4 September, they will be able to catch up with Samsung, and Apple lately.
    10-10-2012 02:10 PM
  4. Reflexx's Avatar
    These are the steps that a company go through when they are soon to close their doors... and the low stock price is just another sign that the company is dying... I know it could get better with WP8, but at the moment it's not looking good...
    Restructuring companies do the same thing.

    Many people who are going to file for bankruptcy sell their cars. So, if I sell my car, does that indicate that I'm going to file for bankruptcy?

    Let's stop being silly.
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    10-10-2012 06:28 PM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    You simply can't compare Microsoft and Nokia... Microsoft is not is a good position but its an healthy company; on the other hand, Nokia has to fire they employees to limit the damage...
    They laid off employees because those employees worked for a division that Nokia no longer exists. Nokia has focused its resources into fewer businesses.

    Do you know what would be unhealthy? If they kept employees that did work for a division that they don't have.
    10-10-2012 06:32 PM
  6. Reflexx's Avatar
    Their position is not good because of the uncertainty around their new lines of products. People may not like w8, WP8, the Surface and what ever else they plan to sell... we all love WP and the Metro UI here, but we are not a majority outside of WPcentral...
    That affects the stock price, yes.

    But Nokia has more than enough operating cash to be solid financially.
    10-10-2012 06:34 PM
  7. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    Lets be honest with ourselves. Apple has 0 interest in Nokia. Apple is already a market leader and there is nothing Nokia would offer Apple that it doesn't already have.

    Microsoft might have some interest in Nokia, but mostly only for the distribution channels. Microsoft is already preparing for Nokia's fallout with the Surface phone, though.

    Samsung is in a similar position as Apple and the other OEMs have no money. Google already has enough FRAND patents and its patent abuse is catching up to it.

    The most likely outcome, I predict is Nokia will be broken up to pieces. Nokia is too big to absorb and doesn't ads that much to the table.
    10-10-2012 08:04 PM
  8. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Lets be honest with ourselves. Apple has 0 interest in Nokia. Apple is already a market leader and there is nothing Nokia would offer Apple that it doesn't already have.

    Microsoft might have some interest in Nokia, but mostly only for the distribution channels. Microsoft is already preparing for Nokia's fallout with the Surface phone, though.

    Samsung is in a similar position as Apple and the other OEMs have no money. Google already has enough FRAND patents and its patent abuse is catching up to it.

    The most likely outcome, I predict is Nokia will be broken up to pieces. Nokia is too big to absorb and doesn't ads that much to the table.
    Apple is probably salivating at Nokia's maps, which is a good reason to buy Nokia haha
    10-10-2012 10:21 PM
  9. cckgz4's Avatar
    Nokia will not die if this winter doesn't give them big sales. What is up with these faux business analysts topics with these phone companies? You don't work for them, you don't know their assets (obviously if you create a topic about a company that has more money than RIM that is still in business), and have no idea what resources or royalties they have access to. Have SEVERAL seats
    10-11-2012 12:00 AM
  10. AngryNil's Avatar
    I don't think you understand how the world works. Apple doesn't just throw money at Nokia and that's a done deal.

    Also, people always look at the financials without thinking about it. Nokia isn't losing a billion per quarter because it costs that much to create these Windows Phone which don't sell in large quantities. It's a huge company that needs to restructure in a major way to adapt to the new market, where it might not be selling world-topping quantities of devices anymore.
    10-11-2012 12:33 AM
  11. vp710's Avatar
    Finland doesn't want anyone to buy Nokia. Nokia gets a decent amount of money from Finland.

    Also, Nokia is quite stable monetarily. They have a good chunk of operating cash. They're going through a major transition in not just their smartphone division, but in the focus of the whole company. They decided to write off losses immediately when they close down a division, instead of splitting those losses out over the long term.

    That makes their losses look really bad for now. But it keeps those losses from affecting future numbers.

    Nokia's stock price is low, and that's where all the ideas of their demise come from. But it's not reality.
    What kind of nonsense is this? Everybody knows Nokia's dying because they're from a socialist country. :@ :giggle:
    10-11-2012 12:47 AM
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