If Nokia have a rough winter, who will buy nokia?

[Heron_Kusanagi]

Who would buy Nokia?

The usual suspects would be Apple, MS, Google. Some venture capitalist to support Nokia for a while is possible. Perhaps Amazon will love to build their own phones/tablets and Nokia expertise can cut short development times and get them a trove of patents to boot. Not to mention the maps.

A crazy one would be Nokia going bankrupt, broken up into tiny bits to sell like what Kodak's doing. That will be sad.

 

[a5cent]

These are the steps that a company go through when they are soon to close their doors... and the low stock price is just another sign that the company is dying... I know it could get better with WP8, but at the moment it's not looking good...

The low stock price really doesn't mean much! The days when stock prices and financial reality had anything in common are long gone. I've developed automated trading software and I know how the game is played.

Also, don't trust analysts... most "analysts" offering publicly available information over the internet are usually clueless. Many are even more biased towards one brand than we in the smartphone-enthusiast community are (particularly towards Apple, due to already being invested there). If they knew what they were talking about, they would be working for an investment bank instead of blogging on the internet.

 

[a5cent]

Who would buy Nokia?

If stock prices go below 1.80, hedge funds become very interested. That would be the worst possible scenario, as they would dismantle the company and sell the individual parts. Apple and Samsung have no chance of buying Nokia.

Anyone else with enough money and interest is a potential buyer. I doubt Google would be interested. They bought Motorola mainly for the patents and Nokia has already entrusted their most important patents to 3rd parties.

 

[Aykazu]

I've seen tons of analysts saying that Apple should buy Nokia. We all know that Microsoft needs Nokia at the moment, but if they wait too long they might have a bad surprise... Apple is not in a difficult situation and they could without a doubt buy Nokia tomorrow and it would not affect the companies profits that much; on the other hand, Microsoft is in a not so good position.

Nokia is not so healthy in fact, some analyst are predicting that the company will crash badly before the end of 2013.

what is your thoughts on that, will we see devices from Nokia in 2014?

The problem with most of these "Analysts" is that they dont actually tell you the truth, they say Nokia made 1billion dollar losses in the last quarter when the reality was closer to 300million.

Im pretty certain that Nokia will pull this through and they will be profitable again. Im certain because of the statics. NSN allready turned profitable and im certain that it will be more profitable in the future, that is due to the fact that 4G LTE network demand will increase and NSN is a big player in that apartment.

The most profitable asset of Nokia has been its Feature Phone division and the sales have not slown down because of the huge succes of the Asha line, so its safe to assume that the profits are roughly the same as in Q2/12.

Navteq is also proven to be profitable and it will bring the Windows 8 maps which means that it has a huge potential to grow its profits and margins, I think anyone interested in Nokias stock should keep their eyes open and look very closely about Navteq.

The problem is the Smartphones, the Symbian sales will decline even further we know that, how much that we dont know yet, I have a feeling that 808 has actually done pretty well so we might actually get a nice surprise but we have to wait and see.
The real trump is the Lumia sales, we know that Lumia sales hit the wall in the US, but in Europe statcounter data shows that the sales have not decreased that much. The other thing that pulls the curtain over the Lumia sale figures is that, the line was not fully released in Q2 so its very hard to analyse how many Lumias Nokia has sold in Q3. I put my estimate figures around 3,9-5 million units.

However Nokia is one those stocks that has very high risk and that goes both ways, if Nokia turns profitable id say we will see 4? stock price in a flash (Thats around 96% rise) but then, risk allways work both sides and we could see it drop to the 1? category in a very short period of time if the Q3 is really bad.

 

[brmiller1976]

Nokia is losing money and has declining sales. Pretending there's no problem isn't wise. That said, they have a tremendous channel and strong engineering team. There's no reason they can't turn themselves around with the right products and channel strategy.

Even if their success is inhibited by their bizarre exclusivity program, there are enough Nokia buyers in China and India alone to fuel a return to profitability, IMO.

If I had to guess what the WP landscape looks like, it will be dominated by Nokia in Asia and Africa, with HTC owning the bulk of the market in North America and a highly competitive market in Europe.

 

[larrynj]

Microsoft isn't in a good financial position...based on what?

I was wondering the same thing. If every company was half a successful as MS there would be no such thing as a recession.

 

[X0LARIUM]

Nokia will struggle. And they will survive this winter. As of the next winter...its anybody's guess.

But to me, Nokia may just extend and arm towards MS and nice versa. But no formal/contractual buying...

Sent from my RaZr on JB!

 

[luonchinguoc]

My opinion is that Nokia and Microsoft will be closer and closer. They will not merge but will be influence each other in approaching the market like what they did for Lumia WP8.

They will recover from crisis if they improve their supply chain system. If they could deliver the Lumia 920/820 to user just 2 or 3 week from the presentation of 4 September, they will be able to catch up with Samsung, and Apple lately.

 

[Reflexx]

These are the steps that a company go through when they are soon to close their doors... and the low stock price is just another sign that the company is dying... I know it could get better with WP8, but at the moment it's not looking good...

Restructuring companies do the same thing.

Many people who are going to file for bankruptcy sell their cars. So, if I sell my car, does that indicate that I'm going to file for bankruptcy?

Let's stop being silly.

 

[Reflexx]

You simply can't compare Microsoft and Nokia... Microsoft is not is a good position but its an healthy company; on the other hand, Nokia has to fire they employees to limit the damage...

They laid off employees because those employees worked for a division that Nokia no longer exists. Nokia has focused its resources into fewer businesses.

Do you know what would be unhealthy? If they kept employees that did work for a division that they don't have.

 

[Reflexx]

Their position is not good because of the uncertainty around their new lines of products. People may not like w8, WP8, the Surface and what ever else they plan to sell... we all love WP and the Metro UI here, but we are not a majority outside of WPcentral...

That affects the stock price, yes.

But Nokia has more than enough operating cash to be solid financially.

 

[sentimentGX4]

Lets be honest with ourselves. Apple has 0 interest in Nokia. Apple is already a market leader and there is nothing Nokia would offer Apple that it doesn't already have.

Microsoft might have some interest in Nokia, but mostly only for the distribution channels. Microsoft is already preparing for Nokia's fallout with the Surface phone, though.

Samsung is in a similar position as Apple and the other OEMs have no money. Google already has enough FRAND patents and its patent abuse is catching up to it.

The most likely outcome, I predict is Nokia will be broken up to pieces. Nokia is too big to absorb and doesn't ads that much to the table.

 

[Simon Tupper]

Lets be honest with ourselves. Apple has 0 interest in Nokia. Apple is already a market leader and there is nothing Nokia would offer Apple that it doesn't already have.

Microsoft might have some interest in Nokia, but mostly only for the distribution channels. Microsoft is already preparing for Nokia's fallout with the Surface phone, though.

Samsung is in a similar position as Apple and the other OEMs have no money. Google already has enough FRAND patents and its patent abuse is catching up to it.

The most likely outcome, I predict is Nokia will be broken up to pieces. Nokia is too big to absorb and doesn't ads that much to the table.

Apple is probably salivating at Nokia's maps, which is a good reason to buy Nokia haha

 

[cckgz4]

Nokia will not die if this winter doesn't give them big sales. What is up with these faux business analysts topics with these phone companies? You don't work for them, you don't know their assets (obviously if you create a topic about a company that has more money than RIM that is still in business), and have no idea what resources or royalties they have access to. Have SEVERAL seats

 

[AngryNil]

I don't think you understand how the world works. Apple doesn't just throw money at Nokia and that's a done deal.

Also, people always look at the financials without thinking about it. Nokia isn't losing a billion per quarter because it costs that much to create these Windows Phone which don't sell in large quantities. It's a huge company that needs to restructure in a major way to adapt to the new market, where it might not be selling world-topping quantities of devices anymore.

 

[vp710]

Finland doesn't want anyone to buy Nokia. Nokia gets a decent amount of money from Finland.

Also, Nokia is quite stable monetarily. They have a good chunk of operating cash. They're going through a major transition in not just their smartphone division, but in the focus of the whole company. They decided to write off losses immediately when they close down a division, instead of splitting those losses out over the long term.

That makes their losses look really bad for now. But it keeps those losses from affecting future numbers.

Nokia's stock price is low, and that's where all the ideas of their demise come from. But it's not reality.

What kind of nonsense is this? Everybody knows Nokia's dying because they're from a socialist country.