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  1. VagrantWade's Avatar
    stop opening this thread if it bothers you.
    I'm trying to help young bucks such as yourself. People getting up their hopes is just disheartening.
    10-12-2012 12:41 AM
  2. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Still hearing from my VZW source that a Nokia Lumia 9XX model is coming. Have heard that they are not sure Nokia can deliver by Black Friday as they had hoped, but are expecting to have it by the second week of December at the latest, still pushing for Black Friday and trying to convince Nokia that missing Black Friday is bad news.

    BUT a lot of the problem is AT&T lobbying Nokia to sit on the phone. I can tell you that Nokia is not helping themselves with Verizon. VZW played nice and agreed to let AT&T have a month long exclusive of the top end Lumia device. I guess most everyone had been hoping and expecting for WP8 to launch at least a week earlier. AT&T is pitching a fit about the VZW variant possibly being available at the end of November because that won't give them 30 days. Nokia wants Verizon to throw them some cash to fix the problem. That IS NOT what you do with Verizon, especially if you have an agreement in place beforehand.

    They still want and expect to have a Lumia 920 variant by mid-December. Remember, too, that Verizon doesn't tend to announce things a month in advance. They often will give you a week's notice. Their tendency is not to promote a phone much before it is available, but when people can go to a store and actually look at a functional version of one. Verizon's philosophy is that people come to them because of their network. They want good phones, but they have felt for a long time that their network differentiates them and sets them above. The phone would be worthless if the network is garbage.

    I've said for awhile, do not expect to hear anything from VZW about a 9XX phone until mid November at the earliest. Nokia wants AT&T to have a window (and they've been paid to do this). Announcing that Verizon will have one relatively quickly will take away any AT&T advantage with the phone. Of course, any switchers to AT&T will be upset if they wanted to stay with VZW or go to VZW. My own feeling is that I don't think it'll cause any massive move to AT&T. Maybe some Sprint customers who might have gone to VZW.

    Verizon is really over the whole "exclusive" phone stuff. They need certain hardware due to their CDMA band (and often that can be enough to claim the phone is a variant). Nokia presently make no phones that support CDMA800 and CDMA1900. So there always will be a slight model number difference between the GSM/WCDMA phones and the CDMA2000 phones. But most manufacturers have no trouble with this and Nokia should not either.

    Still big plans for Windows Phone 8. Verizon will push it and if Nokia doesn't get them a 9XX model then they feel it will be Nokia's loss, not theirs. They still feel they will make it take off, doing with it what they did with Droid. It's just if Nokia isn't there with a high end device then you can expect them to push HTC and Samsung (Samsung is working on a variant with the CDMA guts).

    Also note that none of these phones list any CDMA support on their sites YET because Verizon has yet to announce. I would be surprised if Verizon announces its first set of WP8 devices before the October 29 event. In fact, I would not be surprised if a big reveal at that event is Verizon's lineup - depending on who all is invited. I could see Verizon releasing details on all their phones on October 30 and then having them available on that Friday. Heck, I could even see Verizon NOT announcing anything and people just seeing them show up one day.

    This is how Verizon does it. They are not a big hype machine. They will promote the products they have and every ad will include info about the superiority of their LTE network. A huge part of the reason why they are like this is because their customers are very loyal and very satisfied. They don't fear that they'll lose customers because of some new, fancy phone. Most people are with VZW because they like dependability and quality service.

    So don't expect to hear anything from Verizon for at least two weeks. I'd be surprised if we did.
    10-12-2012 12:51 AM
  3. ironsoulreaver's Avatar
    I'm trying to help young bucks such as yourself. People getting up their hopes is just disheartening.
    I am not giving my hopes up, but I am not going to completely disreguarding this guy because he has no credibility either. Plenty of leaks come out of mysterious places. Everyone coming into this thread should know to take this information with a grain of salt until anything concrete shows up to either back him up or disprove his honesty. Him promissing a photo is the perfect chance to do that. no photo then he is a hoax, if he provides a photo and it passes an inspection for photochopping then he is deemed reliable. Once this photo tweet blows over and If none is provided I will deem him as an unreliable source and move on.

    Just let our Imaginations run wild... as long as you don't play for keeps it's good. This is more or less just helping pass time.
    10-12-2012 12:56 AM
  4. VagrantWade's Avatar
    I am not giving my hopes up, but I am not going to completely disreguarding this guy because he has no credibility either. Plenty of leaks come out of myserious places. Everyone coming into this thread should know to take this information with a grain of salt until anything concrete shows up to either back him up or disprove his honesty. Him promissing a photo is the perfect chance to do that. no photo then he is a hoax, if he provides a photo and it passes an inspection for photochopping then he is deemed reliable. Once this photo tweet blows over and If none is provided I will deem him as an unreliable source and move on.
    Yea not really. They come from credibly guys like EVLEAKS that leaked the 920 and 8X.
    10-12-2012 12:59 AM
  5. ironsoulreaver's Avatar
    Yea not really. They come from credibly guys like EVLEAKS that leaked the 920 and 8X.
    you forget about every other item ever made. I am not targeting any person/place/technology/platform at all.
    10-12-2012 01:04 AM
  6. berty6294's Avatar
    Still hearing from my VZW source that a Nokia Lumia 9XX model is coming. Have heard that they are not sure Nokia can deliver by Black Friday as they had hoped, but are expecting to have it by the second week of December at the latest, still pushing for Black Friday and trying to convince Nokia that missing Black Friday is bad news.

    BUT a lot of the problem is AT&T lobbying Nokia to sit on the phone. I can tell you that Nokia is not helping themselves with Verizon. VZW played nice and agreed to let AT&T have a month long exclusive of the top end Lumia device. I guess most everyone had been hoping and expecting for WP8 to launch at least a week earlier. AT&T is pitching a fit about the VZW variant possibly being available at the end of November because that won't give them 30 days. Nokia wants Verizon to throw them some cash to fix the problem. That IS NOT what you do with Verizon, especially if you have an agreement in place beforehand.

    They still want and expect to have a Lumia 920 variant by mid-December. Remember, too, that Verizon doesn't tend to announce things a month in advance. They often will give you a week's notice. Their tendency is not to promote a phone much before it is available, but when people can go to a store and actually look at a functional version of one. Verizon's philosophy is that people come to them because of their network. They want good phones, but they have felt for a long time that their network differentiates them and sets them above. The phone would be worthless if the network is garbage.

    I've said for awhile, do not expect to hear anything from VZW about a 9XX phone until mid November at the earliest. Nokia wants AT&T to have a window (and they've been paid to do this). Announcing that Verizon will have one relatively quickly will take away any AT&T advantage with the phone. Of course, any switchers to AT&T will be upset if they wanted to stay with VZW or go to VZW. My own feeling is that I don't think it'll cause any massive move to AT&T. Maybe some Sprint customers who might have gone to VZW.

    Verizon is really over the whole "exclusive" phone stuff. They need certain hardware due to their CDMA band (and often that can be enough to claim the phone is a variant). Nokia presently make no phones that support CDMA800 and CDMA1900. So there always will be a slight model number difference between the GSM/WCDMA phones and the CDMA2000 phones. But most manufacturers have no trouble with this and Nokia should not either.

    Still big plans for Windows Phone 8. Verizon will push it and if Nokia doesn't get them a 9XX model then they feel it will be Nokia's loss, not theirs. They still feel they will make it take off, doing with it what they did with Droid. It's just if Nokia isn't there with a high end device then you can expect them to push HTC and Samsung (Samsung is working on a variant with the CDMA guts).

    Also note that none of these phones list any CDMA support on their sites YET because Verizon has yet to announce. I would be surprised if Verizon announces its first set of WP8 devices before the October 29 event. In fact, I would not be surprised if a big reveal at that event is Verizon's lineup - depending on who all is invited. I could see Verizon releasing details on all their phones on October 30 and then having them available on that Friday. Heck, I could even see Verizon NOT announcing anything and people just seeing them show up one day.

    This is how Verizon does it. They are not a big hype machine. They will promote the products they have and every ad will include info about the superiority of their LTE network. A huge part of the reason why they are like this is because their customers are very loyal and very satisfied. They don't fear that they'll lose customers because of some new, fancy phone. Most people are with VZW because they like dependability and quality service.

    So don't expect to hear anything from Verizon for at least two weeks. I'd be surprised if we did.
    @Mr. MacPhisto

    Everything you just said has sent shivers down my spine and i hope its all true! If everything you said comes true, i will write your name on my voters ballad election day!
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    10-12-2012 01:40 AM
  7. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I'm trying to help young bucks such as yourself. People getting up their hopes is just disheartening.
    Let's get their hopes back down, shall we?

    Here is the dismal reality... Verizon won't even be getting a Nokia WP8. In fact, the 822 is a Symbian S-40 NON TOUCHSCREEN phone controlled by a Morse code interface connected to a command line. The WP-like screen you've been seeing is actually merely a lock screen that covers up Nokia's "CP/M Mobile Edition" CLI.

    So that AT&T doesn't get an "unfair advantage" over Verizon in this situation, every Lumia 920 will be shipped with a hopelessly shattered screen.

    T-Mobile will be getting the 910 without any CLI strangeness or shattered screens. In fact, it will run WP8... over a GPRS data connection running at half speed. Download rates should be half those of a 14.4 dial-up modem from 1993.

    NOW YOU'RE DEPRESSED!
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    10-12-2012 02:23 AM
  8. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Rofl this kid posted his picture of the "9xx" camera. I feel like anyone who believed this, should be immediately neutered.
    10-12-2012 02:35 AM
  9. ColeHarris's Avatar
    Ok this guy is officially full of crap:
    10-12-2012 03:36 AM
  10. ironsoulreaver's Avatar
    Ok this guy is officially full of crap:
    Click to view quoted image
    Agreed. I like the color though.
    10-12-2012 03:49 AM
  11. Gaichuke's Avatar
    Ok this guy is officially full of crap:
    For the sake of argument I'll assume that the info from @nokiapureview is legit.

    Now then, what the **** is that guy trying to tell with that picture? Different camera than in 920? Different camera plate? Why is he taking a blurred photo in purpose, if they do not let him to take pictures of it then how came even that photo was possible?
    10-12-2012 04:11 AM
  12. Vallos's Avatar
    Thanks MacPhisto. I have dashed my hopes, and you come along again with one your enticing posts to rekindle them. Damn you. Damn you to all hail (yeah, I know I misspelled it)!

    All kidding aside, you are absolutely correct on Verizon's handling of phones and announcements. They handled the Trophy in the exact manner, and we should expect them to handle the 8X, Ativ S, 822 and any other Windows Phone device rumored to come out. On that note, your post in reality has tempered my expectations rather than excite them. A toast -here is to everyone getting what they want!
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    10-12-2012 06:56 AM
  13. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Thanks MacPhisto. I have dashed my hopes, and you come along again with one your enticing posts to rekindle them. Damn you. Damn you to all hail (yeah, I know I misspelled it)!

    All kidding aside, you are absolutely correct on Verizon's handling of phones and announcements. They handled the Trophy in the exact manner, and we should expect them to handle the 8X, Ativ S, 822 and any other Windows Phone device rumored to come out. On that note, your post in reality has tempered my expectations rather than excite them. A toast -here is to everyone getting what they want!
    It's good to temper them. There are moving parts here and this is a cut throat industry. AT&T has thrown money at a phone maker before to keep a phone away from Verizon and that's a game Verizon won't play. I know they did it with the iPhone. Apple was prepared to open it up to Verizon earlier than they did, but only ended up doing so because of market saturation issues. Verizon feels, with good reason, that they have the most stable customer base in the industry. I wouldn't put it past AT&T to see 920 sales soar and decide to throw a Brinks truck at Nokia to try to prevent a similar phone hitting on VZW. Verizon has had plans for the phone. One has been designed for them. They want it. But if Nokia comes looking for cash, VZW will basically give them the finger on it. They might, in retribution, throw the 822 on a scrap heap and fail to stock it.

    This hurts the platform and ultimately Microsoft should have done whatever they could to ensure all customers that want one of these phones can get one. I know I'd prefer the 920 myself, but I will not go to AT&T to get one.

    But it's also important to not get too discouraged. As I've said and you've noted as well - Verizon doesn't really do huge announcements or give a lot of lead time. They are pretty good about keeping their plans fairly secret in this day and age. I remember a couple years ago telling people that Verizon would begin rolling out LTE by the end of 2010 (I think that was in 2009) and no one thought it was possible, but I was told that they had quietly been getting towers ready in major markets and all they had to do is flick the switch. Even that didn't get any real build up - it just happened. Same for the Thunderbolt launch. I think most of the buzz was generated only a week before launch, if that. And Thunderbolt was a big deal, though not a great phone.

    Expect VZW to support WP8 through advertizing and in store promotion. Do not expect them to hype any device before it is available to customers. Do not expect them to have a big, shiny Apple like event to show anything off. It's not what they do. Officially, we don't even know the 8X will be on their network. We know it through the grapevine and through HTC saying something - and even that made some VZW people a bit upset.

    Seriously, most likely thing is a press release a week or less before a launch. Before that, you'll continue to see specs on these phones that say none of them support the CDMA2000 bands VZW uses.
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    10-12-2012 09:41 AM
  14. squire777's Avatar
    I don't have a twitter account but I feel like making one just to tell that nokiapureview guy he's full of ****.
    10-12-2012 10:35 AM
  15. rosser's Avatar
    Can't wait for this to come!!


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    10-12-2012 11:03 AM
  16. ironsoulreaver's Avatar
    I don't have a twitter account but I feel like making one just to tell that nokiapureview guy he's full of ****.
    I already called bluffs on him... all he said was "sorry". Moving on. Mr MacPhisto feels very confident in his source though. It's all about the wait and see though right :D.
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    10-12-2012 12:31 PM
  17. VagrantWade's Avatar
    I already called bluffs on him... all he said was "sorry". Moving on. Mr MacPhisto feels very confident in his source though. It's all about the wait and see though right :D.
    MacPhisto is equally full of ****. This site has turned stupid lately.
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    10-12-2012 12:39 PM
  18. thed's Avatar
    MacPhisto is equally full of ****. This site has turned stupid lately.
    Care to elaborate on this statement? What makes you think he's making this up?
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    10-12-2012 01:45 PM
  19. snowmutt's Avatar
    MacPhisto is equally full of ****. This site has turned stupid lately.
    Okay, at this point you need to keep that pick-fight, insulting snot to yourself. Seriously, this is a forum on PHONES. We get it you do not believe. I have been saying since early on Nokia will have a 920 on Verizon soon. (I posted and believe the Phone Arena roadmap). But, if I am wrong no one is hurt. I wouldn't insult someone, oh lets say like you, who disagrees with me. It's statements like that which leads to threads being closed. Mr. Mac has my full support. No reason to doubt him. But I am glad to have an open, fun forum to hear from him and you.

    Now relax, and keep disagreeing. Just keep it PG and keep the personal shots out.
    10-12-2012 01:59 PM
  20. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I am incandescent at rage at all these UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS in the "upcoming and RUMORED devices" forum! Incandescent! Like an overpowered lightbulb! Aieeeeeeee!
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    10-12-2012 02:07 PM
  21. remindmyself's Avatar
    MacPhisto is equally full of ****. This site has turned stupid lately.
    This guy needs to quit being so butt hurt. He, along with Winterfang, are the only two people I have ever cared enough about, on any forum, to block. They are both constantly nagging and complaining and are always negative. If you don't have something positive to say, and if you can't dare have ANY fun guessing at rumored devices, then don't click on thread or leave the forums. Hope everyone else is having a good day :P With that said, I personally believe Mr. MacPhisto and think there will be a Verizon 9XX variant in the near future. I want to believe this nokiapureview guy, but I do have doubts. Let's just cross our fingers and hope! The more carriers a high-end nokia device is on the better it is for WP8!
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    10-12-2012 02:41 PM
  22. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    I think I'll post a summary here really quickly on this in regards to Verizon getting a 920 variant.

    1. If you cannot wait to get a 920 (or variation) then AT&T is your only option. They will be the only one with the phone at launch and they will be the only one confirmed to have it then. They have an exclusive window with the top end Lumia device and paid Nokia to get it. Verizon cannot announce anything until AT&T has had the 920 on the market for at least 21 days. Verizon also would be unlikely to do so anyways as they do not announce phones more than a week out generally, as I have stated and has been seen.

    I've experienced this one first hand talking to my contact at VZW. About a year and a half ago, I was looking for a phone. I had heard rumors of the HTC Trophy hitting VZW and I was most interested in getting a WP device, but also looked into the Droids. The HTC Thunderbolt had just come out and LTE was very intriguing, though had issues. The most alluring device that was rumored to me at the time was the Droid Bionic, a dual core LTE device that was SUPPOSED to hit only about a month after Thunderbolt. The leaked roadmaps said so - but my source said it wasn't going to happen due to technical issues with the phone, specifically the problem of LTE switching off to EVDO when it lost the LTE signal but never going back to LTE until you reset the phone. Motorola was and is a strong partner with VZW and neither wanted the Bionic released until they solved the problem. My source said it would be delayed until September. Sure enough, that's when it hit - and I got a Trophy, that was also delayed as VZW was waiting for NoDo.

    The one exception I can recall to the launch window rule was the Motorola Droid, IIRC, but that was largely because of many looking for a Verizon response to the iPhone.

    2. Phone launch dates are often in flux. This is why Verizon generally does not announce until they have stock. They do not trust manufacturers to deliver on the dates they set and refuse to have egg on their face because of it. Verizon's stance is that their are plenty of great phones in the world and all of them are worthless without a network. Verizon feels (and I agree, I'm a user and biased, though) that they have the best network. They also don't like carrying phones that are not ready for primetime because that also plays into how a network is viewed. They shy away from first gen stuff and let other people deal with the problems in regards to the phones. They will always be bold when it comes to the network, but they prefer reliability in the phones they stock. This is one reason why they turned down the iPhone initially, coupled with Apple's monetary demands.

    They didn't release an Android phone until the OS had been out for a year and it had Android 2.0, IIRC - at least 2.0 was pretty close to ready.

    But remember that phone dates are very rarely set in stone. WP8 was expected to launch about a week earlier than it will. Verizon was initially told that WP8 devices could be made available alongside Windows 8/RT devices on October 26, so that was the initial expected launch date through much of the summer. Their original schedule was built on this supposition and might have to move by a couple of weeks due to it.

    3. Whenever Verizon launches, expect them to only carry two WP8 devices to start. They don't like to launch more than two phones at a time. Right now it appears that the HTC 8X and the Nokia Lumia 822 will launch, though that may change to the 8S instead with the Lumia 822 launching with the 9XX variant. Samsung is supposed to have a CDMA version of the ATIV S for them and the plan was to launch that around 2 weeks after the WP8 VZW launch. Then around 2 weeks later we are to see the Lumia 9XX and, as stated above, possibly the 822.

    Do not expect to hear about these phones until a week before release. Depending on HTC, the heads up announcement could come a week before availability on Halloween - OR it could be a week after that. Like I said, the dates are not set in stone and it all depends on delivery from the handset maker. Verizon is not like AT&T, who tends to launch on Sundays. They often favor mid week launches but are flexible.

    So if you are impatient for a 920 and are out of contract (or already with AT&T), then I'd advise for you to go with AT&T. They have a good network and I think you'll be very happy with the phone and the network.

    If you want to be with VZW and are willing to wait at least a month then you are likely to be rewarded. I'm not eligible for my upgrade until mid-December, so I can be patient. Frankly, my Trophy works well. It's not a flashy phone, but it gets the job done. I could wait until my contract actually ends in March as well and bask in some quad core goodness too - if the phone launch schedule doesn't flex too much. They expect quad core WP8 devices by the end of March - and one is listed from Nokia, just so you know but that list is still considered very tentative. As I said, phone releases are not set in stone and Verizon will not release a date until they have enough phones in hand to sell. Before that you're out of luck.
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    10-12-2012 07:51 PM
  23. VagrantWade's Avatar
    This guy needs to quit being so butt hurt. He, along with Winterfang, are the only two people I have ever cared enough about, on any forum, to block. They are both constantly nagging and complaining and are always negative. If you don't have something positive to say, and if you can't dare have ANY fun guessing at rumored devices, then don't click on thread or leave the forums. Hope everyone else is having a good day :P With that said, I personally believe Mr. MacPhisto and think there will be a Verizon 9XX variant in the near future. I want to believe this nokiapureview guy, but I do have doubts. Let's just cross our fingers and hope! The more carriers a high-end nokia device is on the better it is for WP8!
    You believe him because you want it to be true. He has no inside information. And the fact that you "do have doubts" about the nokiapureview kid, instead of just flat out realize he is lying, is sad.
    10-12-2012 08:01 PM
  24. ColeHarris's Avatar
    I did some quick photoshopping on that picture just to try and tease out some more detail, heres what I found:

    Its obviously a fake, theres no phone on the planet that has folds like that. I'm not saying that there isn't a 920 variant headed to Verizon, there might be, but this isn't it.
    10-12-2012 08:13 PM
  25. stephen_az's Avatar
    I came across this article. It does not really say anything at all though. just some random tweets from someone claiming to have gotten their hands on a Verizon "9XX" and then other quotes. no talk about pureview. There were more updates form the original tweeter. This was mentioned earlier in another thread yesterday. Nokia Lumia 9XX (920 variant) headed for Verizon Wireless? | Ubergizmo


    The update to this is that @NokiaPureview has stated the 920 will have a matte poly carb finish with a pureview lense. I am going to ask him if it is similar in design to the leaked 822 photos and if there are any known colors.

    I by no means take this tweeter seriously because it's just speculation, it does however pique my interest and it's fun to throw wood into rumor mills.
    You might want to ask him where you can find bigfoot or where Jimmy Hoffa's body is buried. Those answers will have an equal likelihood of being based in fact.
    10-13-2012 01:37 AM
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