10-16-2012 11:13 PM
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  1. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Even if Samsung can push WP8 further, it remains to be seen just to what extent they are willing to push the envelope considering the developments of HTC anointed the signature WP8 device, Nokia Lumia 920 hogging the spotlight from tech blogs and Samsung itself is doing well on Android.

    Granted, everything will change come Oct 26th and the whole cycle kicks into gear, but volume-wise, midrange products are the prime movers, and Samsung does have an obvious gap that the HTC 8S and the L820 is filling right now.
    of course if you add every devices that Nokia will sell including low, mid and high end, they might sell more than the ATIV s, but high end vs high end would probably result in a win for Samsung.
    Last edited by Simon Tupper; 10-14-2012 at 02:45 AM.
    10-14-2012 02:30 AM
  2. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    of course if you add every devices that Nokia will sell including low, mid and high end, they might sell more than the ATIV s, but high end vs high end would probably result in a win for Samsung.
    Let me put it this way for you, Simon.

    Samsung sells a lot of smartphones, including a lot of S3s. But in 5 months, they sold 20 million S3s. A lot of them, but let's put it in context.

    Samsung is poised to ship 55 million smartphone devices Q3. On average, they sold 4 millions S3s per month, so that makes 12 million S3s per quarter. That's a lot, and a significant enough contribution, but the true volume drivers, the other 43 million devices that makes Samsung the strongest player in the smartphone business now? That comes from the Aces and other budget to midrange devices Samsung pushes.

    And it remains a doubt, whether Samsung can win in the admittedly small WP market right now. HTC and Nokia has competitive offerings and enough differentiators from the ATIV to be unique propositions in their own rights.
    10-14-2012 02:58 AM
  3. AngryNil's Avatar
    Lovely. Certain polls also placed the Lumia 920 ahead of the S3 and iPhone 5 in terms of interest. Sales numbers will say the exact opposite on both counts.
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    10-14-2012 03:34 AM
  4. Aykazu's Avatar
    I think the main reason is not the plastic but the effort Samsung is putting to Windows Phone compared to its Android devices.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    10-14-2012 03:59 AM
  5. cckgz4's Avatar
    All we see is comments on Samsung making cheap plastic devices on this forum, but Samsung is probably WP8's savior. All I want to say is that we should be happy that Samsung is with us... Stop the trash-talking... Be proud that you want a Lumia and don't kill everybody else's fun...

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    I think everyone should stop killing anyone's fun because of their dislike for ANY OEM, but this "savior" talk? I think you're jumping the gun
    palandri and wolf1891 like this.
    10-14-2012 06:57 AM
  6. TJWINS's Avatar
    This conversation contradicts the OPs intentions. We should be talking about the health of Windows Phone instead of which OEM is better.
    10-14-2012 10:03 AM
  7. stephen_az's Avatar
    Samsung makes quality hardware that also often happen to be cheap plastic. I am sorry but if you want to discuss the one, the other is also fair game. The back of a GS3 is less rigid than a credit card or a piece of a plastic soda bottle. They are also known for taking shortcuts - one of the things that got them in a losing patent battle with Apple. If a Samsung Windows Phone eventually appears on my carrier (VZW so I doubt it), I would not hesitate to buy one since I liked to Omnia II I once owned. Nevertheless, without a change in Samsung philosophy it would also look cheap in comparison to the competition. BTW, mimicking the design of one of your own phones for your Windows Phone hardly conveys innovative....
    10-14-2012 11:09 AM
  8. independentvolume's Avatar
    N9=lumia 920. Lacks innovation I guess.
    10-14-2012 11:46 AM
  9. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    N9=lumia 920. Lacks innovation I guess.
    They did solve the main issue with the Lumia design for the L920, that scratch-prone chrome strip.

    I do hope that they bring a new design come the next major update.
    10-14-2012 03:25 PM
  10. firewall2302's Avatar
    Well said however most on this forum don't argue which is best but rather which is worst. I belong to several forums under different usernames and I find the members of this forum the most hateful and immature. Often attacking others for valid reasoning and quickly jumping at the opportunity to call somebody a troll. Crackberry.com has the best community because they all have a common interest which is the success of the BlackBerry platform. I would love to see that same unity on this forum with emphasis on a common interest which is the success of the Windows Phone platform. Who cares what device somebody wants and who cares which phones don't have a 720p screen. All WP8 phones will be awesome in their own way so let's just support the platform instead of preference of OEMs.
    I would like to say +1 to this.

    My office is completely divided between iOS and Android users and during my tenure with my company I've been in both camps. When I decided to move to WP8 I caught a lot of flak from co-workers who were firmly in the Android camp, followed by questions from the iPhone camp on why I would choose WP8.

    I'd rather these forums be my place of peace and acceptance since we all like WP rather than a place where I'm watching constant arguing between camps over which OEM is best. They're all good people!
    10-14-2012 03:34 PM
  11. Winterfang's Avatar
    Honestly, everything was fine for the most part until the exclusivity announcements came. That's when the **** hit the fan.
    Things where certainly building up.

    The ATIV announcement came out but people where like: Let's wait what Nokia has to show.

    Then Nokia was trolling the ATIV at their conference, some were disappointed in Nokia, others were hyped because that mean Nokia was confident.

    Nokia conference came out, the trolled the ATIV again but most people felt in love with the device. Then the lies and scandals came out and some people where weary.

    The HTC announcement cause the most heat, because everyone write them off but the 8X/8S designs where so good, you couldn't help but look at them. The fanbase was getting split.

    Still most Nokia loyalist, saw a better device on the Lumia 920.

    Then most of those fans, realized that they couldn't get that device without getting a new AT&T contract. And things got really heated.

    The board has being pretty fun, is more alive.
    10-14-2012 03:37 PM
  12. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    I would like to say +1 to this.

    My office is completely divided between iOS and Android users and during my tenure with my company I've been in both camps. When I decided to move to WP8 I caught a lot of flak from co-workers who were firmly in the Android camp, followed by questions from the iPhone camp on why I would choose WP8.

    I'd rather these forums be my place of peace and acceptance since we all like WP rather than a place where I'm watching constant arguing between camps over which OEM is best. They're all good people!
    Your office seems like a place filled with hate more than these forums which are still rational enough. If you want to see hate, the engadget comment section for anything Nokia related is really, really bad.

    I will also note the idea that passionate people can get heated once in a while speaking of their favourite toys. It happens to soccer fans, basketball fans, and tech fans aren't any different, it seems.
    10-14-2012 03:39 PM
  13. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    What I would like to see is more respect... It's okay to love Nokia, Samsung or HTC, but they're all WP8 partners.

    Somebody could believe that a HTC 8S is just enough for him... he may not like to have 5 Nokia fanboys telling him how the Lumia 920 is better and why he's not being smart by chosing a "not-nokia" phone.

    I simply don't understand why there is so much hate for everything that is not Nokia... the Lumia 920 is nice. Is it innovative? Not really, it's not like they made some crazy brakethrough... they added stuff and didn't care much about added size... it does not make it a bad phone, but not much innovation there... let's just be rational and respectful...
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    10-14-2012 05:14 PM
  14. larrynj's Avatar
    ...yet the 920 section has a dozen threads in the first few pages basically just talking **** about Nokia/AT&T.

    Interesting.
    Yes by some of the same people complaining about trash talking here. It is interesting, actually it's very comical.
    10-14-2012 05:38 PM
  15. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Heh. Sounds like all the people at the office who gave me hate about buying a small Italian compact car (Fiat) instead of a Toyota.

    Now they all crowd around it and ask for a ride in it and ask me how I like it. :)
    ramrac and power5 like this.
    10-14-2012 06:19 PM
  16. VagrantWade's Avatar
    I'm going to be perfectly honest here. The things I like are better than the things you like.

    Kidding.

    But really it all comes down to one things, some people here are HTC/Nokia fans. Others like myself, are Windows Phone 8 fans. I don't care about any of these companies. Of Nokia goes belly up after I get a 920, oh well, I will wait just get a Microsoft branded phone the next time.
    10-14-2012 06:47 PM
  17. jfa1's Avatar
    IT comes down to personal preference. Thats what I am advocating besides WP8 in general. We need to be positive about WP* and all WP8 devices (as well as earlier devices)
    10-14-2012 07:44 PM
  18. eric12341's Avatar
    Well said however most on this forum don't argue which is best but rather which is worst. I belong to several forums under different usernames and I find the members of this forum the most hateful and immature. Often attacking others for valid reasoning and quickly jumping at the opportunity to call somebody a troll. Crackberry.com has the best community because they all have a common interest which is the success of the BlackBerry platform. I would love to see that same unity on this forum with emphasis on a common interest which is the success of the Windows Phone platform. Who cares what device somebody wants and who cares which phones don't have a 720p screen. All WP8 phones will be awesome in their own way so let's just support the platform instead of preference of OEMs.
    We just have a few troublemakers but that doesn't mean this place is the worst. we are the #1 site for WP related news.
    10-14-2012 08:32 PM
  19. TJWINS's Avatar
    We just have a few troublemakers but that doesn't mean this place is the worst. we are the #1 site for WP related news.
    This site is fantastic regarding news and updates. I find wpcentral has fine writers and always comes through with breaking news. I was speaking more of the forum members not the website in general.
    ramrac likes this.
    10-14-2012 10:42 PM
  20. firewall2302's Avatar
    Heh. Sounds like all the people at the office who gave me hate about buying a small Italian compact car (Fiat) instead of a Toyota.

    Now they all crowd around it and ask for a ride in it and ask me how I like it. :)
    Funny you should say that, I also considered a Fiat 500 before I settled on my current 2012 Ford Focus. I really like the design of the 500 but in the end I need more trunk space than the 500 offers.

    I hope your experience with your Fiat is foreshadowing what will happen with my Lumia 920 :)
    10-14-2012 11:10 PM
  21. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    What I would like to see is more respect... It's okay to love Nokia, Samsung or HTC, but they're all WP8 partners.

    Somebody could believe that a HTC 8S is just enough for him... he may not like to have 5 Nokia fanboys telling him how the Lumia 920 is better and why he's not being smart by chosing a "not-nokia" phone.

    I simply don't understand why there is so much hate for everything that is not Nokia... the Lumia 920 is nice. Is it innovative? Not really, it's not like they made some crazy brakethrough... they added stuff and didn't care much about added size... it does not make it a bad phone, but not much innovation there... let's just be rational and respectful...
    Well, I respect the choices people make. But I will say that it's too hasty to anoint anyone savior status of WP8. It's not even launched.
    10-14-2012 11:19 PM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    We just have a few troublemakers but that doesn't mean this place is the worst. we are the #1 site for WP related news.
    I agree.

    I forwarded an article written by Rich Edmonds to one of my friends.

    My friend told me that Rich Edmonds not only included excellent information, but that his grammar and spelling were the best he has seen on any tech site.
    palandri likes this.
    10-15-2012 12:22 AM
  23. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Funny you should say that, I also considered a Fiat 500 before I settled on my current 2012 Ford Focus. I really like the design of the 500 but in the end I need more trunk space than the 500 offers.

    I hope your experience with your Fiat is foreshadowing what will happen with my Lumia 920 :)
    I love the style of the Fiat 500! :)

    I actually considered the Mini Cooper back in 2008 when I was in the market for a car. The Mini Cooper looked cool, and I loved the car chase scene in "The Italian Job." It ended up that the Mini Cooper was just too small for my needs. I got a Honda Civic coupe instead.
    10-15-2012 12:25 AM
  24. scdkad's Avatar
    And for the crowd that wants a microSD slot Samsung is the only vender providing it.
    10-15-2012 01:17 AM
  25. mmacleodbrown's Avatar
    And for the crowd that wants a microSD slot Samsung is the only vender providing it.
    No they are not, but they are the only one providing it with a hi res screen.
    I like the samsung, if I could have all the nokia apps on the ATIV, it would be higher up the list, but if Im going to make the jump to a new ecosystem, then Im jumping with both feet and eyes closed and want something completely different, so Im getting a Nokia.

    Im also getting a surface tablet, and Samsung are top of that list for me...

    At the end of the day, whatever device we choose we are all on the same side as we want WP8 to do well..
    10-15-2012 02:44 AM
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