11-02-2012 10:01 PM
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  1. scottcraft's Avatar
    I expect the 920 to sell well on AT&T, but I don't know if it will outsell the 8X. I'm hoping Nokia builds their reputation so in the future carriers will want to sell their device. I know Samsung has done well launching the GS3 on all carriers.
    10-28-2012 04:57 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    There still is no excuse not to have the 920 on Verizon. Honestly that would have helped the WP ecosystem really grow. A lot of people can't switch carriers so easily.

    I've already pointed out one reason. So saying there is "no excuse" isn't being honest or fair. It would be more appropriate to say, "I hate Nokia's strategic decision because I can't get their phone."
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    10-28-2012 04:59 PM
  3. Reflexx's Avatar
    In the USA, HTC has sold more WP devices than Nokia has.

    A 1.5 yr head start helps.
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    10-28-2012 05:02 PM
  4. independentvolume's Avatar
    A 1.5 yr head start helps.
    The problem of an ATT exclusive is that a majority of those that would be interested in the 920 just got the 900. Being as ATT could only move 600,000 900s doesn't bode well.
    10-28-2012 05:35 PM
  5. trivor's Avatar
    The problem of an ATT exclusive is that a majority of those that would be interested in the 920 just got the 900. Being as ATT could only move 600,000 900s doesn't bode well.
    Actually, it gets even worse. ATT just announced their quarterly results and they sold 4.7 million iPhones and 1.4 million Androids. While I and everyone on this forum don't "get" the iPhone the fact is that EVERY iPhone user I have met "LOVES" their iPhone (I know, anectodal only) and Apple customer retention is through the roof. What that means is that very few iPhone users will switch and even if somehow you got a lot of Android users to switch there still wouldn't be very many WP8 users. Something to think about as we look at the sales numbers for WP8. I am also DUMBFOUNDED by Nokia and MS's failure to get the 920 on all the carriers (it looks like Sprint is going to totally sit out the first wave of WP8 phones - another 55 million potential customers down the drain).
    10-28-2012 06:42 PM
  6. aventador779's Avatar
    Why not stick with the Nexus a bit longer? It is a good device with plenty to offer still. Besides, CES and MWC will bring more exciting devices IMO. Unless you hate the camera on the Nexus that much...
    Yeah I'm thinking the same thing, but I hate the battery life on my Nexus.
    10-28-2012 07:01 PM
  7. aventador779's Avatar
    Is it really only one or the other? Either "stupid" or "pure genius"? Seriously?

    Nokia could have put it on all carriers. They made a strategic choice not to. That choice was likely because of promotions and commitments that AT&T would be willing to make if the device was exclusive.

    HTC is in a different situation. They have an established and known smartphone brand in the US. Their need for carrier promotion is less than Nokia's need.
    "That choice was likely because of promotions and commitments that AT&T would be willing to make if the device was exclusive."

    Nokia would have for sure earned more money in the long run by having it on all carriers.
    10-28-2012 07:03 PM
  8. brmiller1976's Avatar
    OK, Nokia people, your argument is inconsistent.

    First, you claim Nokia is better than HTC and can sell more WPs worldwide. Then, you claim that Nokia cannot sell as many WPs as HTC in the US, since HTC is a more credible brand, and were thus forced into another brain dead exclusive, destined to fail.

    Which is it? It can't be both.
    10-28-2012 09:05 PM
  9. aventador779's Avatar
    OK, Nokia people, your argument is inconsistent.

    First, you claim Nokia is better than HTC and can sell more WPs worldwide. Then, you claim that Nokia cannot sell as many WPs as HTC in the US, since HTC is a more credible brand, and were thus forced into another brain dead exclusive, destined to fail.

    Which is it? It can't be both.
    I don't know what other people are saying, but HTC is going the right route. Why? Because OBVIOUSLY if you want to sell more devices, you have to make the device AVAILABLE to more people. Any ***** can understand that.
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    10-28-2012 09:09 PM
  10. Major's Avatar
    Oh yeah? And it worked last time to have the Lumia 900 exclusive? Exclusivity never works. And that doesn't matter. Marketing doesn't matter that much to everyone, especially to people like me. I'm interested in the 920. If it would've come out to Verizon, I would have got it.

    Now HTC has my money, followed by thousands and thousands of others because that is the best WP8 phone on VZW.

    Sorry, edit: "Exclusivity never works in the US."
    Exclusivity worked pretty well for AT&T and the iPhone...

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    10-28-2012 09:12 PM
  11. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Right. Because the Lumia 920's release is exactly the same place as the industry was when the iPhone launched.

    Commodore made the C64 the world's best selling computer -- of all time -- by selling it through toy stores and drug stores. Maybe Nokia can cite that as a basis for selling 920s through Walgreens. Hey, it worked for Commodore, right?!?
    10-28-2012 09:30 PM
  12. independentvolume's Avatar
    I must of missed the Samsung and HTC iPhones.
    10-28-2012 09:43 PM
  13. aventador779's Avatar
    Exclusivity worked pretty well for AT&T and the iPhone...

    Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk 2
    Derp... derp. It worked because the iPhone was the first "actual" smartphone. This is way different. You can't approach the market this way anymore. Derp. :P
    10-28-2012 09:45 PM
  14. brmiller1976's Avatar
    The iPhone was disruptive. The 920 is nowhere near as disruptive.
    10-28-2012 10:08 PM
  15. jmshub's Avatar
    While I and everyone on this forum don't "get" the iPhone the fact is that EVERY iPhone user I have met "LOVES" their iPhone (I know, anectodal only) and Apple customer retention is through the roof. What that means is that very few iPhone users will switch...
    I disagree. I think there is a small market of die hard iPhone users who would purchase nothing but an iPhone. Sight unseen. But it seems like there is a small and growing market of people who agree that apple innovation is ending. IPhone 5 was cutting edge...if it had come out when the 4s was released. Mediocre specs on the new mini iPad are the only way to ensure they have an innovative model next year. if WP8 can make a splash, I honestly believe they can pull market share and mindshare away from these users who are no longer happy with the iPhone.

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    10-28-2012 10:16 PM
  16. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Nokia could easily convert iPhone people to 920s. The problem is that they'll ask "is it on T-Mobile/Verizon?" and when they hear they have to switch carriers, interest will instantly vanish for 90% of them.
    10-28-2012 11:30 PM
  17. aventador779's Avatar
    Nokia could easily convert iPhone people to 920s. The problem is that they'll ask "is it on T-Mobile/Verizon?" and when they hear they have to switch carriers, interest will instantly vanish for 90% of them.
    2/3 of people to be more exact. And considering most people are on contract on AT&T, even less.

    EDIT: Even more I mean. Even more can't get the 920.
    10-28-2012 11:34 PM
  18. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Link to proof that Verizon even wanted to subsidize it?
    Still waiting for a response to this. HTC fans have taken over the thread with their tears from having to settle.
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    10-28-2012 11:38 PM
  19. aventador779's Avatar
    Still waiting for a response to this. HTC fans have taken over the thread with their tears from having to settle.
    Or how about you give US (I'm not an HTC fanboy) a link that Verizon denied it? :P

    Point is Verizon would never deny the 920, it's a great device and if they can get the 822 then they could get the 922.
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    10-28-2012 11:40 PM
  20. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Point is Verizon would never deny the 920, it's a great device and if they can get the 822 then they could get the 922.
    Of course they would. Windows phone has 3% marketshare and Microsoft is helping HTC subsidize the 8X.

    AT&T is now footing the entire bill for Nokia.

    So glad I left Verizon.
    10-28-2012 11:42 PM
  21. aventador779's Avatar
    Of course they would. Windows phone has 3% marketshare and Microsoft is helping HTC subsidize the 8X.

    AT&T is now footing the entire bill for Nokia.

    So glad I left Verizon.
    If they wouldn't carry the 922 BECAUSE of the 3% marketshare, then they wouldn't carry the 8X or the 822. Derp.
    10-28-2012 11:46 PM
  22. VagrantWade's Avatar
    If they wouldn't carry the 922 because of the 3% marketshare, then they wouldn't carry the 8X or the 822. Derp.
    So...I'm going to assume you are young and just have no idea what I just said. Because you in no way properly responded to it. Or you just don't know what subsidization is.

    And you keep talking about a 922 that doesn't exist.
    10-28-2012 11:47 PM
  23. aventador779's Avatar
    So...I'm going to assume you are young and just have no idea what I just said. Because you in no way properly responded to it. Or you just don't know what subsidization is.

    And you keep talking about a 922 that doesn't exist.
    For what reason would they deny the 920/922/920 variant? If it was to exist
    10-28-2012 11:50 PM
  24. VagrantWade's Avatar
    For what reason would they deny the 920/922/920 variant? If it was to exist

    There has never been a single credible mention of a Lumia 922 lol.
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    10-28-2012 11:54 PM
  25. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Microsoft is helping HTC subsidize the 8X.
    Utter nonsense.

    Microsoft is subsidizing only one company -- Nokia -- with $1 billion/year in cash payments.
    10-28-2012 11:55 PM
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