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  1. aventador779's Avatar
    10-27-2012 05:48 PM
  2. Coreldan's Avatar
    Due to exclusive deal meaning that AT&T subsidizies (sp?) the entire price of the phone, making it a very good deal for Nokia. One could only theorycraft on whether ATT + Verizon with Nokia paying for the phones too would've brought in more money though.. hard to say
    10-27-2012 05:52 PM
  3. Winterfang's Avatar
    Maybe Verizon didn't wanted it? =/
    10-27-2012 05:55 PM
  4. Silly Putty's Avatar
    Due to exclusive deal meaning that AT&T subsidizies (sp?) the entire price of the phone, making it a very good deal for Nokia. One could only theorycraft on whether ATT + Verizon with Nokia paying for the phones too would've brought in more money though.. hard to say
    So they can sell 600k phones again? If they enjoy that mediocrity then they should just close up shop already.
    10-27-2012 05:57 PM
  5. mrmdj316's Avatar
    Because Nokia could care less about a CDMA heavy US market. I hope their mentality change soon otherwise they will eventually would not want to deal with a US Market their Lumia line of WP8 phones fail to sell as their WP7 devices failed to even reach one million units.
    10-27-2012 06:28 PM
  6. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Again, CDMA is irrelevant. Verizon is phasing it out, Sprint has plans to abandon it too. CDMA is today's iDEN. VZW is scrambling to get VoLTE up and running so it can start to close down EVDO and 1xRTT.

    That said, Nokia should deliver a CDMA handset to VZW with specs better than the 822.
    10-27-2012 07:28 PM
  7. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Link to proof that Verizon even wanted to subsidize it?
    10-27-2012 07:33 PM
  8. aventador779's Avatar
    Again, CDMA is irrelevant. Verizon is phasing it out, Sprint has plans to abandon it too. CDMA is today's iDEN. VZW is scrambling to get VoLTE up and running so it can start to close down EVDO and 1xRTT.

    That said, Nokia should deliver a CDMA handset to VZW with specs better than the 822.
    I can definitely say that is not the case. Besides there are advantages of CDMA. Nokia is just retarded for what they did. Doesn't matter what the reason is.
    10-27-2012 09:18 PM
  9. fwaits's Avatar
    I can definitely say that is not the case. Besides there are advantages of CDMA. Nokia is just retarded for what they did. Doesn't matter what the reason is.
    Updated: Verizon Wireless to sunset 2G and 3G CDMA networks by 2021 - FierceWireless

    Regarding the exclusivity deal, I'm not thrilled about it either, and you can blame who you want, but honestly the carriers in the US have more power than the OEMs so I would bet it's more like Verizon not wanting to give them a better deal than AT&T and instead, planned for another device a little up the road instead that was more on their terms.
    10-27-2012 10:08 PM
  10. scottcraft's Avatar
    I'm disappointed Verizon won't be carrying the 920, but I think it's unfair to blame Nokia because we really don't know what went on behind the scenes. I will say I don't think Nokia will get anywhere close to Apple or Samsung status without having their top phone on all major carriers.
    10-27-2012 10:31 PM
  11. Reflexx's Avatar
    Marketing and support.

    It's better to be in one of the big carriers with a full commitment of marketing from them. They will likely push Nokia handsets in the stores.

    Being in both, but without the marketing support and without the salespeople acting as advocates doesn't help a company with low mindshare.

    Carriers want to put their money and influence behind handsets that are only available through them.

    Calling the strategy "stupid" shows a lack of understanding of business and the marketplace. You can disagree with the strategy, but calling it stupid shows a severe lack of understanding and perspective.
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    10-27-2012 10:48 PM
  12. aventador779's Avatar
    Marketing and support.

    It's better to be in one of the big carriers with a full commitment of marketing from them. They will likely push Nokia handsets in the stores.

    Being in both, but without the marketing support and without the salespeople acting as advocates doesn't help a company with low mindshare.

    Carriers want to put their money and influence behind handsets that are only available through them.

    Calling the strategy "stupid" shows a lack of understanding of business and the marketplace. You can disagree with the strategy, but calling it stupid shows a severe lack of understanding and perspective.
    Oh yeah? And it worked last time to have the Lumia 900 exclusive? Exclusivity never works. And that doesn't matter. Marketing doesn't matter that much to everyone, especially to people like me. I'm interested in the 920. If it would've come out to Verizon, I would have got it.

    Now HTC has my money, followed by thousands and thousands of others because that is the best WP8 phone on VZW.

    Sorry, edit: "Exclusivity never works in the US."
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    10-27-2012 11:31 PM
  13. Reflexx's Avatar
    Oh yeah? And it worked last time to have the Lumia 900 exclusive? Exclusivity never works. And that doesn't matter. Marketing doesn't matter that much to everyone, especially to people like me. I'm interested in the 920. If it would've come out to Verizon, I would have got it.

    Now HTC has my money, followed by thousands and thousands of others because that is the best WP8 phone on VZW.

    Sorry, edit: "Exclusivity never works in the US."

    Who said exclusivity never works?

    AT&T promoted the L900, but the reps still were hesitant because of the lack of functionality in WP7.

    This time around, there is a more powerful OS along with greater marketing of the OS coming.

    But to differentiate yourself, you need advocates in the store. And you get that with exclusivity.

    You may be upset that it's not coming to your carrier, but outside of WP fans, most people have no idea these phones exist. They'll gravitate the direction the salesperson leads them.

    I think you severely underestimate the importance of mindshare, and how Nokia's strategy needs to be different from HTC and Samsung because they've been absent from the American smartphone market.

    I haven't heard an argument that clearly explains why Nokia's strategy is "stupid". Instead I hear people who are justifiably upset that they don't have access to the handset they want.
    a5cent, Gaichuke and Residing like this.
    10-27-2012 11:54 PM
  14. brmiller1976's Avatar
    The Nokia apologies are a bit tired. If HTC can get its devices on all three carriers, there is no reason Nokia cannot do the same.
    10-28-2012 12:43 AM
  15. aventador779's Avatar
    Who said exclusivity never works?

    AT&T promoted the L900, but the reps still were hesitant because of the lack of functionality in WP7.

    This time around, there is a more powerful OS along with greater marketing of the OS coming.

    But to differentiate yourself, you need advocates in the store. And you get that with exclusivity.

    You may be upset that it's not coming to your carrier, but outside of WP fans, most people have no idea these phones exist. They'll gravitate the direction the salesperson leads them.

    I think you severely underestimate the importance of mindshare, and how Nokia's strategy needs to be different from HTC and Samsung because they've been absent from the American smartphone market.

    I haven't heard an argument that clearly explains why Nokia's strategy is "stupid". Instead I hear people who are justifiably upset that they don't have access to the handset they want.
    Well tell me how Nokia's plan is pure genius then. How it was with the L900 and right now with the 920.

    Like brmiller1976 says, if HTC can get its devices on all three carriers, there is no reason Nokia can't do the same.
    10-28-2012 02:45 AM
  16. SnailUK's Avatar
    To be fair, HTC may be on all carriers. Hasn't helped than sell wp7 devices has it. Even with "stupid exclusives" Nokia are selling more WP devices than everyone else.

    I bet Nokia will sell more wp8 devices than HTC or Samsung.

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    10-28-2012 02:53 AM
  17. aventador779's Avatar
    To be fair, HTC may be on all carriers. Hasn't helped than sell wp7 devices has it. Even with "stupid exclusives" Nokia are selling more WP devices than everyone else.

    I bet Nokia will sell more wp8 devices than HTC or Samsung.

    Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
    There still is no excuse not to have the 920 on Verizon. Honestly that would have helped the WP ecosystem really grow. A lot of people can't switch carriers so easily.
    10-28-2012 02:55 AM
  18. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    It is dumb. But Nokia's rationale looks to be based on the idea that the L900 is actually a success for a company with no presence in the US till the June announcement making the L900 a legacy device.

    The fact that Verizon isn't getting the L920 immediately will hurt, no doubt about that. But L920 might just be the tip of the iceberg from Nokia.
    10-28-2012 03:13 AM
  19. aventador779's Avatar
    It is dumb. But Nokia's rationale looks to be based on the idea that the L900 is actually a success for a company with no presence in the US till the June announcement making the L900 a legacy device.

    The fact that Verizon isn't getting the L920 immediately will hurt, no doubt about that. But L920 might just be the tip of the iceberg from Nokia.
    Possibly. That is why I'm deciding whether (on Verizon) to get the 8X, Galaxy Note II, or just wait a little bit longer. Currently have a Galaxy Nexus
    10-28-2012 03:33 AM
  20. mrmdj316's Avatar
    There is no excuse from Nokia not offering the Lumia devices on all major US carriers. Someone screwed up at the CDMA carrier relations department and got the axe for it. How are you expecting to convince carriers (other than Verizon) outside the GSM world (which is a smaller share in the US market) to carry your devices and you decide to go with N exclusive on AT&T for your most high end device. How do you expect to have Sprint, MetroPCS, US Cellular, nTelos, Credo, Premier, and most of the prepaid market on board with Windows Phone devices when the most important OEM happens to have no interest to cater to the dominant cell phone technology in the US. I still think there is some hidden agenda by Microsoft when it comes to dealing with CDMA carriers, and if it is to make them change to GSM is NOT going to work.

    And please don't say CDMA is irrelevant in the US market because it has the BULK of the lines. Two thirds of the US market is not irrelevant, and when your OS has a shrinking share you need to figure out how to get more devices on more carriers, and end this lack of CDMA devices nonsense (perhaps Sprint knows something.....)
    10-28-2012 07:18 AM
  21. PappesHartley's Avatar
    Oh yeah? And it worked last time to have the Lumia 900 exclusive? Exclusivity never works. And that doesn't matter. Marketing doesn't matter that much to everyone, especially to people like me. I'm interested in the 920. If it would've come out to Verizon, I would have got it.

    Now HTC has my money, followed by thousands and thousands of others because that is the best WP8 phone on VZW.

    Sorry, edit: "Exclusivity never works in the US."
    I wouldn't say never works because it has.. Unknown to the cell world apple had a exclusive with AT&T.. How did that turn out? Also how is Moto doing with droids? Point being there is more than slapping a radeo in a phone and it works on said carrier. Baby steps as this doesn't just happen over night.
    10-28-2012 07:49 AM
  22. JamesAD60's Avatar
    Right now we just don't know. We don't know when or if Verizon will get a "922". We don't know if or when they will get another high end model from Nokia or another manufacturer.

    I actually feel lucky to be due for a discount in July of 2013. I'll sit back and see what else comes out.

    Sent from my HTC Trophy using Board Express
    10-28-2012 10:30 AM
  23. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    Possibly. That is why I'm deciding whether (on Verizon) to get the 8X, Galaxy Note II, or just wait a little bit longer. Currently have a Galaxy Nexus
    Why not stick with the Nexus a bit longer? It is a good device with plenty to offer still. Besides, CES and MWC will bring more exciting devices IMO. Unless you hate the camera on the Nexus that much...
    10-28-2012 10:47 AM
  24. brmiller1976's Avatar
    To be fair, HTC may be on all carriers. Hasn't helped than sell wp7 devices has it. Even with "stupid exclusives" Nokia are selling more WP devices than everyone else.

    I bet Nokia will sell more wp8 devices than HTC or Samsung.

    Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
    In the USA, HTC has sold more WP devices than Nokia has.
    10-28-2012 03:30 PM
  25. Reflexx's Avatar
    Well tell me how Nokia's plan is pure genius then. How it was with the L900 and right now with the 920.

    Like brmiller1976 says, if HTC can get its devices on all three carriers, there is no reason Nokia can't do the same.
    Is it really only one or the other? Either "stupid" or "pure genius"? Seriously?

    Nokia could have put it on all carriers. They made a strategic choice not to. That choice was likely because of promotions and commitments that AT&T would be willing to make if the device was exclusive.

    HTC is in a different situation. They have an established and known smartphone brand in the US. Their need for carrier promotion is less than Nokia's need.
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    10-28-2012 04:57 PM
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