08-19-2014 03:04 AM
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  1. Himanshu Chowdhary's Avatar
    No they weren't I think there going to be the surprise or there getting the apps and such ready who knows.

    anyway I'm leaning towards it being a surprise!
    true , I love BIG surprises , they are waiting for wp8.1 gdr update so that they could use the latest hardware ?
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    04-10-2014 12:02 AM
  2. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    true , I love BIG surprises , they are waiting for wp8.1 gdr update so that they could use the latest hardware ?
    I don't see SONY using the Snapdragon 805 they are more likely to use either the Snapdragon 801 since that what there using for there flagship device or the Snapdragon 800 there not much difference between both.

    I would be glad just to see a device in June!
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    04-10-2014 12:14 PM
  3. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    Actually Sony did sell the VAIO brand too. They sold the division with everything within it. What they spinned-off was their TV division.



    They are also very good. It's one of those things where the price is justified by the quality and elegance of the hardware. But they are definitely not phones for emerging markets. In that sense, Sony's offerings are more in like with Apple's offerings than Nokia's.

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    I will keep cautions about these rumours about Sony Windows Phones. Their phones are the ones I will be jumping to once Nokia leaves the mobile manufacturing business, regardless of them being Android or not. However, well, if Sony gives me a Z2 Compact running Windows Phone, I might just as well stay within the same OS I've been using.

    I just don't believe a Sony phone will come that soon. There are more difficult things to be negotiated between Microsoft and Sony when it comes to producing a WP than the licencing fees.
    There's the entire matter of Xbox VS PlayStation. The console wars has reflections on both companies mobile services. Sony has on their phones, and for PlayStation, the same thing Microsoft currently has on Windows Phones with Xbox (Music, Video and Games).

    For Sony to produce Windows Phones, Microsoft will have to allow them to remove the Xbox offerings from the OS (which with 8.1 IS possible) and have them replaced with Sony's PlayStation offerings. Will Microsoft concede to that? That's the biggest IF when it comes to the production of a Windows Phone by Sony.

    Of course, it would be possible for Sony to release the phone with Xbox stuff in it. I just don't think Sony is that stupid and definitely isn't that desperate.

    We'll wait and see. Also, Sony renews their flagships every 6 months on Android (that's why if you want to have always the latest specs on Android, you go Sony)...if they do the same cycle with Windows Phones, I can see a lot of people complaining "but I just bought this flagship 4 months ago!".

    Well, fingers crossed...
    I don't see the issue with Xbox Vs PlayStation since both consoles are selling extremely well Xbox One was last reported sold 4 million units and PS4 selling 6.1 million so both are neck and neck just off BT a few million and I see many people buying both consoles either way. I know I'm planning on buying an Xbox One when the right game comes out but have my PS4 for that long wait. Many of my friends are going to buy both they are going for the PS4 since it cheaper than later buy the Xbox one when it cheaper in price.

    The PlayStation mobile app when I used it on the Z1 I had for a while didn't have any good games at all and was only about 40 in the store at a high price. And the main games and all the others that was on android never went to the PlayStation mobile app on the device put the Google play part. So I don't see why Xbox games needs to be removed just have both on the device.

    Having both on the device will be a great selling point for WP and SONY.

    I agree with the tweet that SONY will release WP8.1 devices at June and I think they will releasing a low, mid and high end WP device once a year and not do their android strategy of releasing a new flagship once in the first half and then the second half of the year. They will properly wait and see if there WP devices are popular and then they may go for the android strategy of releasing a new flagship 2 a year.

    Looking forward to June!
    04-10-2014 12:22 PM
  4. DJCBS's Avatar
    I don't see the issue with Xbox Vs PlayStation since both consoles are selling extremely well Xbox One was last reported sold 4 million units and PS4 selling 6.1 million so both are neck and neck just off BT a few million and I see many people buying both consoles either way. I know I'm planning on buying an Xbox One when the right game comes out but have my PS4 for that long wait. Many of my friends are going to buy both they are going for the PS4 since it cheaper than later buy the Xbox one when it cheaper in price.

    The PlayStation mobile app when I used it on the Z1 I had for a while didn't have any good games at all and was only about 40 in the store at a high price. And the main games and all the others that was on android never went to the PlayStation mobile app on the device put the Google play part. So I don't see why Xbox games needs to be removed just have both on the device.

    Having both on the device will be a great selling point for WP and SONY.

    I agree with the tweet that SONY will release WP8.1 devices at June and I think they will releasing a low, mid and high end WP device once a year and not do their android strategy of releasing a new flagship once in the first half and then the second half of the year. They will properly wait and see if there WP devices are popular and then they may go for the android strategy of releasing a new flagship 2 a year.

    Looking forward to June!
    The problem is that they are conflicting offers. It's in Sony's best interest that users of an hypothetical Sony WP use their Music, Video and Games service instead of Microsoft's.
    Don't forget Sony also makes money out of those services.

    Maybe they won't do the constant refresh on WP. Lets see. First we need to see a Sony WP device materialize. Which I still doubt will happen but will be gladly proven wrong by Sony (and if they release a Z2 Compact with WP, I'm buying it upon launch, something I *never* do with any phone).
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    04-10-2014 12:57 PM
  5. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    The problem is that they are conflicting offers. It's in Sony's best interest that users of an hypothetical Sony WP use their Music, Video and Games service instead of Microsoft's.
    Don't forget Sony also makes money out of those services.

    Maybe they won't do the constant refresh on WP. Lets see. First we need to see a Sony WP device materialize. Which I still doubt will happen but will be gladly proven wrong by Sony (and if they release a Z2 Compact with WP, I'm buying it upon launch, something I *never* do with any phone).
    If they release a device at all I will be doing the same buying straight away or pre-order for the device, I have never done this for a phone but I'm happy to make the exception.
    04-10-2014 01:04 PM
  6. Da1020Da's Avatar
    If Sony on WP8, I probably the most tempted, lots of Sony Brand in my house
    You're most welcome Sony
    04-10-2014 01:05 PM
  7. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    If Sony on WP8, I probably the most tempted, lots of Sony Brand in my house
    You're most welcome Sony
    I'm the same in my house can't wait to one more addition to the family.
    04-10-2014 01:40 PM
  8. Jas00555's Avatar
    The problem is that they are conflicting offers. It's in Sony's best interest that users of an hypothetical Sony WP use their Music, Video and Games service instead of Microsoft's.
    Don't forget Sony also makes money out of those services.

    Maybe they won't do the constant refresh on WP. Lets see. First we need to see a Sony WP device materialize. Which I still doubt will happen but will be gladly proven wrong by Sony (and if they release a Z2 Compact with WP, I'm buying it upon launch, something I *never* do with any phone).
    Why couldn't they just have both on it, but show their own more prominently? On Android, Google Music is still there, yet they have their own Sony music store. There's some conflicting interest, but I think it more comes down to "can we make money from this?". I'm not sure how big Sony's music store is worldwide, but if it's bigger than Xbox music and would have Sony customers pick that over Xbox music, then it would be in their best interest to keep it. I'd rather they be like Nokia and just offer both, but display theirs more prominently. I realize Here Maps is the exception, but it powers Bing Maps, so that's ok.

    The only problem I can think of is the games since you can only get achievements via Xbox. With that being said, they made it work with their PC division.
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    04-10-2014 01:59 PM
  9. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    The problem is that they are conflicting offers. It's in Sony's best interest that users of an hypothetical Sony WP use their Music, Video and Games service instead of Microsoft's.
    Don't forget Sony also makes money out of those services.

    Maybe they won't do the constant refresh on WP. Lets see. First we need to see a Sony WP device materialize. Which I still doubt will happen but will be gladly proven wrong by Sony (and if they release a Z2 Compact with WP, I'm buying it upon launch, something I *never* do with any phone).
    I agree with you... It would be a puzzling move. I think Microsoft would have to cut Sony a sweet deal to get manufacturing. But I think they would do it. Especially since WP8 is actually losing marketshare in Asia as opposed to gaining it.
    04-10-2014 02:35 PM
  10. TheJoester09's Avatar
    The problem is that they are conflicting offers. It's in Sony's best interest that users of an hypothetical Sony WP use their Music, Video and Games service instead of Microsoft's.
    Don't forget Sony also makes money out of those services.

    Maybe they won't do the constant refresh on WP. Lets see. First we need to see a Sony WP device materialize. Which I still doubt will happen but will be gladly proven wrong by Sony (and if they release a Z2 Compact with WP, I'm buying it upon launch, something I *never* do with any phone).
    I'm not sure how much this matters. Nokia MixRadio and Xbox Music co-exist just fine. Sony including these services exclusively for purchasers of their Windows Phones is obviously advantageous to them, but Microsoft wins as well, as this would eliminate some barriers to switching for those that currently use Sony's services on other platforms. That way, instead of an Xperia user saying "I want to try Windows Phone, but I can't live without Sony's music service," they can say "Oh sweet, this Windows Phone has the Sony music service, maybe I'll try it out," and everyone wins!
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    04-10-2014 02:57 PM
  11. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    Why couldn't they just have both on it, but show their own more prominently? On Android, Google Music is still there, yet they have their own Sony music store. There's some conflicting interest, but I think it more comes down to "can we make money from this?". I'm not sure how big Sony's music store is worldwide, but if it's bigger than Xbox music and would have Sony customers pick that over Xbox music, then it would be in their best interest to keep it. I'd rather they be like Nokia and just offer both, but display theirs more prominently. I realize Here Maps is the exception, but it powers Bing Maps, so that's ok.

    The only problem I can think of is the games since you can only get achievements via Xbox. With that being said, they made it work with their PC division.
    Exactly with the Xperia Line all of Google services are on there and you cannot even uninstall them such as music, videos, Google game (whatever it called) and all of SONY services so even on their android devices there still having to compete against Google services.

    Whereas with MS they are making the music and video into apps so they can be removed so OEM's can put there own services on their devices and can remove the default, this would be alot more attractive I bet to SONY so they can have all their services and take off want they don't want.
    04-10-2014 04:27 PM
  12. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    I'm not sure how much this matters. Nokia MixRadio and Xbox Music co-exist just fine. Sony including these services exclusively for purchasers of their Windows Phones is obviously advantageous to them, but Microsoft wins as well, as this would eliminate some barriers to switching for those that currently use Sony's services on other platforms. That way, instead of an Xperia user saying "I want to try Windows Phone, but I can't live without Sony's music service," they can say "Oh sweet, this Windows Phone has the Sony music service, maybe I'll try it out," and everyone wins!
    Exactly how I feel I love SONY Unlimited music and pay for the premier subscription 9.99 a month and that what I'm missing with WP I would still buy WP but others will not touch WP without such a service on the platform and this is what the platform needs to convince users to change devices.
    04-10-2014 04:35 PM
  13. AndersonSilvaR's Avatar
    The problem is that they are conflicting offers. It's in Sony's best interest that users of an hypothetical Sony WP use their Music, Video and Games service instead of Microsoft's.
    Don't forget Sony also makes money out of those services.

    Maybe they won't do the constant refresh on WP. Lets see. First we need to see a Sony WP device materialize. Which I still doubt will happen but will be gladly proven wrong by Sony (and if they release a Z2 Compact with WP, I'm buying it upon launch, something I *never* do with any phone).
    I don't know why but I have a feeling that if Sony releases a WP line with the SAME specs they use with their Android line, I think that the WP one has potential to outsell their Android business, I don't know why but it's something that I feel in my heart/head.
    DJCBS, do you agree with me?

    And what about you guys?

    EDIT: And I think would be great if they use the same brand Xperia for their both lines. You can say that's confusing, but I don't think so.
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    04-10-2014 05:51 PM
  14. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    I don't know why but I have a feeling that if Sony releases a WP line with the SAME specs they use with their Android line, I think that the WP one has potential to outsell their Android business, I don't know why but it's something that I feel in my heart/head.
    DJCBS, do you agree with me?

    And what about you guys?

    EDIT: And I think would be great if they use the same brand Xperia for their both lines. You can say that's confusing, but I don't think so.
    I think the same thing it will save SONY money and the Z2 an awesome device!

    I think SONY will have more of a chance with WP than with android maybe outsell there android devices after a while which is possible.

    They could have design a device specifically for WP so it could go either way they will use there current flagship device or design a completely new device to differentiate itself from the android line.
    04-10-2014 06:10 PM
  15. metalchick719's Avatar
    I think this is great news! I love Sony; have a VAIO laptop running Windows 7 that's great. Their phones are always awesomely designed, so it'll be interesting to see what they come up with running WP 8.1.
    04-10-2014 07:49 PM
  16. DJCBS's Avatar
    Why couldn't they just have both on it, but show their own more prominently? On Android, Google Music is still there, yet they have their own Sony music store. There's some conflicting interest, but I think it more comes down to "can we make money from this?". I'm not sure how big Sony's music store is worldwide, but if it's bigger than Xbox music and would have Sony customers pick that over Xbox music, then it would be in their best interest to keep it. I'd rather they be like Nokia and just offer both, but display theirs more prominently. I realize Here Maps is the exception, but it powers Bing Maps, so that's ok.

    The only problem I can think of is the games since you can only get achievements via Xbox. With that being said, they made it work with their PC division.
    That's true. However, you don't have Google or Nokia with a platform like PlayStation. And as far as I understand it, Sony will be looking to unify their mobile offerings under the PlayStation brand.
    Of course Sony can allow both offers. I would actually like to keep my Xbox games on the phone and add to those my PlayStation games since, well, I actually own a PlayStation and not an Xbox. If I can have both, great.
    But from the pragmatical point of view, I think Sony would want to *not* have Xbox stuff on their phones. That way they could target the sales at PlayStation fans too which would't then pick the phone and say "WTH is this Xbox stuff doing here?".

    Also, as for the presence of Google Music on Sony phones...well, obviously Sony had no choice. They had to have Google Music otherwise Google wouldn't certify the Android on the phone. Which would force Sony into a similar platform as Kindle and the Nokia X. And while in theory Sony would be better positioned to offer stuff like Music, Games and Video services on their own Sony Store, it would still leave them with the App store missing and having to rely on third parties. Sony is too smart to go that way, specially when they don't have Amazon's commercial arm.

    I don't know why but I have a feeling that if Sony releases a WP line with the SAME specs they use with their Android line, I think that the WP one has potential to outsell their Android business, I don't know why but it's something that I feel in my heart/head.
    DJCBS, do you agree with me?

    And what about you guys?

    EDIT: And I think would be great if they use the same brand Xperia for their both lines. You can say that's confusing, but I don't think so.
    Hmm...I'm not sure it would outsell their increasingly popular Android phones. It is very hard to outsell Android. But it would probably be the OEM where the Android and Windows Phone offerings would be more at the same level of sales, yes (since Samsung is out of the question and HTC also gives priority and is more popular on Android).
    04-11-2014 11:21 AM
  17. Indistinguishable's Avatar

    EDIT: And I think would be great if they use the same brand Xperia for their both lines. You can say that's confusing, but I don't think so.
    It is confusing, and I would hope they would not do that.

    Xperia = Sony Android phones
    Something else: Sony WP8's
    04-11-2014 04:08 PM
  18. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    It is confusing, and I would hope they would not do that.

    Xperia = Sony Android phones
    Something else: Sony WP8's
    That can be misleading and cause abit of confusion.
    04-11-2014 04:50 PM
  19. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    Anyone got an idea for what SONY might use as a name for these WP devices?

    I think they will go with something like SONY X1 or if they could use the VAIO name then go with the SONY VAIO X1/Z1.

    Any thoughts about this?
    04-11-2014 04:52 PM
  20. DJCBS's Avatar
    Anyone got an idea for what SONY might use as a name for these WP devices?

    I think they will go with something like SONY X1 or if they could use the VAIO name then go with the SONY VAIO X1/Z1.

    Any thoughts about this?
    Branding is always hard.
    That's why Nokia has never changed their use of the numbering tradition even with the Lumia line. People got used to that.

    As for Sony...VAIO would be the logical choice until the selling off of the PC division. I haven't the faintest clue as to what Sony might choose but they're normally good at branding stuff.
    The only thing that comes to mind is Sony dedicating the W to Windows Phones. Since W was never used in the Xperia line I think Sony W2 could be it. And if they're clever enough, they might even keep the Xperia brand as long as they make it very clear that the W line is for Windows Phone.
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    04-11-2014 08:35 PM
  21. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    Branding is always hard.
    That's why Nokia has never changed their use of the numbering tradition even with the Lumia line. People got used to that.

    As for Sony...VAIO would be the logical choice until the selling off of the PC division. I haven't the faintest clue as to what Sony might choose but they're normally good at branding stuff.
    The only thing that comes to mind is Sony dedicating the W to Windows Phones. Since W was never used in the Xperia line I think Sony W2 could be it. And if they're clever enough, they might even keep the Xperia brand as long as they make it very clear that the W line is for Windows Phone.
    Branding is the hardest part of selling a product it would be better for SONY to use the VAIO name however your suggestion of Xperia W seems likely to be used. However Huawei have the name Ascend W1 so that might put them off using W for there naming.

    I think they should use SONY Xperia X or X1.
    04-12-2014 06:19 AM
  22. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Sony Walkman Z1? Sony Betamax Z1?
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    04-12-2014 06:34 AM
  23. Indistinguishable's Avatar
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  24. BIGPADDY's Avatar
    SONY Xperia Magic
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    04-12-2014 10:20 AM
  25. Himanshu Chowdhary's Avatar
    SONY Xperia Magic
    Magic , perfect :D
    This will surely create magic around the world
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    04-12-2014 11:17 AM
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