06-20-2014 04:18 PM
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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I will take the minority position.... which I seem to do a ton. Why not?

    This is not about this Amazon Fire phone- it is about the services Amazon wants to provide. A dozen other posters have pointed that out. But they do already have an "in"- this is the next chapter. If they can get a small % of their Kindle users which is a very impressive number and has been consistently growing since it's release to give this phone a try, then Amazon has knocked it out of the park. Amazon is not Microsoft, but they are the most similar from other tablet/mobile providers in that they have enough money rolling in from other sources they can eat losses on one or two product launches until they get it right. Let's not forget recent history: Amazon sold the Kindle Fire at the cost of it's production and took losses on it. Boy, has that gamble paid off.

    I think MS needs to get more aggressive this year. It has been a year of transition, and I am very worried that they are playing with fire by releasing so few devices that what nice uptick in sales, services, updates and respect for WP might be lost by the time Apple dominates the world with their pending iPhone annnouncments and the wave after wave of headline stealing Android flagships. (Pun intended earilier, by the way.)

    Should MS react to the Fire Phone? Heck yes they should. The Amazon offering is different enough to get headlines and become the new "darling" of the media. I do not see this as a threat so much as a bug that just needs swatted away.

    Problem is, this bug HAS a really large stinger. It can be more dangerous then it first appears as it does that first buzz past your face. In 2 more years, that bug could become a swarm if it is allowed, and WP cannot afford to lose any sales to any other device. WP is GETTING stronger, but let us not confuse that with BEING strong.
    I don't disagree with you in regards to the tablets, but that's mostly due to the fact they're charging a lot less for their tablets than say an iPad. I wouldn't buy a Kindle Fire tablet over a Nexus tablet. Thing is, most people buy the Kindle for the Amazon services but keep in mind that's a tablet. A phone on the other hand is a different beast and they're not cheaper than the competition. They're the same price. I think in this instance they won't get the same market or enough of one. A low cost tablet with good specs and forked Android is one thing. A phone with forked Android and costing the same as an iPhone or SG5 is another. I wish them luck but I don't see it succeeding.

    As for your comments about MS, you are 100% correct. They need to get their ecosystem sorted as quickly as possible. The OS and the phones are OK but they need a fantastic flagship. Something that people go, 'that's nice'. They need to get the main stream apps, regardless of how we think of them it is still the one thing that is continuously pointed out about WP. Fix that and at least we're on a level playing field.
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 06-20-2014 at 07:24 AM.
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    06-20-2014 04:04 AM
  2. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Actually 8.1 on paper seems a great update. File explorer,quick access via action centre,wallpapers,app to SD card,the mission of microsoft to combine best of ios and android is going in right direction.
    They just need to focus more and speed up their actions,bringing phone to market as soon as possible after the announcement instead of letting the hype die.concentrate more on wp, fixing the problems like Skype instead of going and updating ios first which sends a totally wrong message.
    And dont wait one and half years for next major os update!!!
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    06-20-2014 06:05 AM
  3. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Nothing. Why? Because Amazon fire phone is not a threat to WP.
    06-20-2014 07:53 AM
  4. phasar's Avatar
    It depends on how well they implemented their core features, and their marketing strategy. Two things that Microsoft continues to fail at.
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    06-20-2014 09:03 AM
  5. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    The only thing about the Amazon phone that perked my ears was the unlimited photo storage via the cloud. And you bet Amazon is going data mine all these photos in the same way people feared about the Xbox Kinect data mining background information. Amazon, next to Google, is the worst about data mining for the benefit of their business.

    Other than that, it's an overpriced, unattractive, AT&T exclusive (ask MS how well that is working out for them) with features that are uninteresting. The Firefly feature reminds me of Bing Vision and Google Goggles. *yawn*
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    06-20-2014 09:09 AM
  6. snowmutt's Avatar
    Actually, try as I might I cannot come up with rebuttals to any of these points. To us, it is more about MS getting into gear and not losing momentum then anything Amazon does with the Fire phone.

    I am gonna go play with it though.

    Dang. I really wanted to start a flame war.

    KIDDING, FELLOW MODERATORS!!! ONLY KIDDING!!
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    06-20-2014 09:28 AM
  7. snowmutt's Avatar
    Laura, how does the Amazon music service work? Is it expensive? Can you have it on more then one device?

    A sucker is curious now...
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    06-20-2014 09:30 AM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Actually, try as I night I cannot come up with rebuttals to any of these points. To us, it is more about MS getting into gear and not losing momentum then anything Amazon does with the Fire phone.

    I am gonna go play with it though.

    Dang. I really wanted to start a flame war.

    KIDDING, FELLOW MODERATORS!!! ONLY KIDDING!!
    No you weren't.


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    06-20-2014 09:30 AM
  9. wpfan86's Avatar
    The HTC First did come to mind when I first saw this phone. In the end, I don't think the Fire dies a quick death like the First, but I don't think it will be a runaway success either.

    I agree that the feature set on this phone is middling at best. The firefly features look pretty useful, but the much-hyped 3D looks like an absolute joke and the way it is implemented (the 4 cameras/sensors) looks wonky and unreliable.

    I do think this will delay the release of any other amazon apps (read: Instant Video) on WP anytime soon. However, I just don't see consumers flocking to this device. It will become obvious that "features" are not what Amazon cares about. It is only about getting more people to buy from Amazon. That's it.
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    06-20-2014 09:36 AM
  10. snowmutt's Avatar
    No you weren't.


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    Clue, do not sell me out. I kinda know where you live. I will search a few million homes and track you down....
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    06-20-2014 10:07 AM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    The HTC First did come to mind when I first saw this phone. In the end, I don't think the Fire dies a quick death like the First, but I don't think it will be a runaway success either.
    IIRC the HTC First was basically a regular Android phone with a Facebook launcher. You could replace the launcher with a different one. It was a bad design from the start.
    06-20-2014 10:13 AM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Clue, do not sell me out. I kinda know where you live. I will search a few million homes and track you down....
    Then we'll pick a case of cold ones, head out to the marina and I'll show you what real fishing is all about.
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    06-20-2014 11:55 AM
  13. CSJr1's Avatar
    The Amazon Phone is going to get me in trouble. I can see someone nodding their head and tilting their head in my direction. I get up and confront/approach them because I think they are making passes at me, and low and behold they are trying to interact with the Amazon Gimmick Fire.
    06-20-2014 01:06 PM
  14. CrazyDaves's Avatar
    I don't think Amazon will do something bad. Eventually they will loose out Windows/MS customers.
    06-20-2014 04:18 PM
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