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  1. bsayegh's Avatar
    I am not convinced that there will ever be a 1030.
    07-30-2014 11:37 AM
  2. JamesPTao's Avatar
    I am not convinced that there will ever be a 1030.
    And that matters why?
    07-30-2014 12:55 PM
  3. RJ Priest's Avatar
    For this fall, if Microsoft / Nokia would simply create a "1025", and use the same camera from the 1020, but with a 5" or 5.2" 1080p AMOLED display and quad core processor, while maintaining the Lumia 920 design language (but with a glossy finish), I would be so satisfied for the long term, and not need to upgrade from that anytime soon.
    08-01-2014 12:19 AM
  4. spaulagain's Avatar
    In some comparisons of the 1020 and 5S's shots, 5S was able to keep the shots more in focus(but with more grain) whereas Lumia 1020 had less noisy, more detailed albeit less focused shots.
    That's just normal photography characteristics. The 5S was more grainy because it used the ISO to get more light while keeping a smaller aperture and therefore larger depth of field. The 1020 however is capable of a very large aperture and therefore uses that to capture more light rather than bumping up the ISO. This will result in more detail, less noise, but a smaller depth of field (less in focus).
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    08-01-2014 12:32 AM
  5. JamesPTao's Avatar
    That's just normal photography characteristics. The 5S was more grainy because it used the ISO to get more light while keeping a smaller aperture and therefore larger depth of field. The 1020 however is capable of a very large aperture and therefore uses that to capture more light rather than bumping up the ISO. This will result in more detail, less noise, but a smaller depth of field (less in focus).
    Exactly what I was trying to get at but much better put!
    08-01-2014 01:10 AM
  6. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    730 and 830 are coming, still no words about the 1030...

    perhaps, they postponed it to make way for HTC One (M8) for Windows?
    if it's true, then we could expect the 1030 will be released early next year...

    what do you think, guys?
    08-13-2014 07:05 PM
  7. BatteryLife's Avatar
    That's just normal photography characteristics. The 5S was more grainy because it used the ISO to get more light while keeping a smaller aperture and therefore larger depth of field. The 1020 however is capable of a very large aperture and therefore uses that to capture more light rather than bumping up the ISO. This will result in more detail, less noise, but a smaller depth of field (less in focus).
    You're right about the ISO part. However, I disagree with the aperture part. Both Lumia 1020 and iPhone 5S have the same aperture (f/2.2). Thus the light coming through the aperture will be the same. However, Lumia 1020 has a much larger sensor and this results in more light being absorbed. HOWEVER, Lumia 1020 also have more pixels, thus the pixel size will be reduced (1.12 microns vs 1.5 microns in the iPhone 5S).

    This is compensated by the Lumia 1020's OIS, where it allows it to use a longer shutter speed reducing image blur due to camera shake (but not image motion). The shallow DoF is due to the longer focal length used.
    09-02-2014 07:09 AM
  8. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    with the 1030 confirmed in works, we could expect leaks in near future

    I just thought that the 1030 could have the same size as the 1020 was...
    reason? the Lumia Camera Grip

    that accessory is more than just accessory for the 1020...
    and I am sure that Microsoft would like the idea of compatible accessories for both the 1020 and 1030

    thoughts?
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    09-06-2014 09:23 PM
  9. maverick786us's Avatar
    1) I expect, the designed to be similar to beautiful 930 (not 830) but the whole body should be made of aluminum.
    2) The AMOLED screen size should be slight bigger than 930, 5.2 inch will be sweet spot and should have its buffer memory to support glance screen.
    3) The speakers should be either like 1520 or 830.
    4) The camera should be almost the same as 1020 or better with no camera hump
    5) Snapdragon 810 64-bit processor with 4GB RAM. I know that for Windows phone, such a high end requirement isn't required. But better processor with better image processing mechanism will give better image quality and will make the camera fast for capturing burst mode at maximum resolution
    Last edited by maverick786us; 09-07-2014 at 01:13 AM.
    09-07-2014 12:43 AM
  10. parsaion's Avatar
    with the 1030 confirmed in works, we could expect leaks in near future

    I just thought that the 1030 could have the same size as the 1020 was...
    reason? the Lumia Camera Grip

    that accessory is more than just accessory for the 1020...
    and I am sure that Microsoft would like the idea of compatible accessories for both the 1020 and 1030

    thoughts?
    Why would they not want to make people buy accessories all over again? Maybe they see apple is making huge amounts of money doing just that? Just a thought...
    09-07-2014 02:39 AM
  11. flattie's Avatar
    Completely subjective, but the only thing worse than an all aluminium chassis (for me), would be glossy plastic. I think MSM have hit a nice balance with the metal band which frames the colourful matt polycarbonate back plate.

    That aside, if we're listing what we expect to see, then here's my tuppence:

    1. A quad-core Snapdragon processor - likely 801 if the phone does indeed land this year. I'm not expecting anything 64-bit related until Threshold hits. That should be more than powerful enough to drive WP8.1 and will (obviously) be able to take advantage of the giant camera speed improvements coming as part of the Denim update.

    2. A 5" full HD display. I suspect we'll see the same panel that was used in the Lumia 930, so AMOLED. I'm fine with that, as I think the strengths of that technology suit the black backgrounds, bold colours and large fonts of the WP UI.

    3. A design that follows the language used by the 930 and 830 phones. It seems to be the style MSM want to associate to their high-end (and high-end like ;) ) devices. Maybe something with the shape, style and size of the 930, but sporting a characteristic black camera module circle, more akin to the 1020 version than the 830 one.

    4. I'd expect the camera module to be a refined version of the 1020 Pureview module. Slimmer OIS as used in the 830 and other minor changes, but nothing that will make it a step change.

    5. Qi charging to be integrated this time. Nokia dropped the ball by letting wireless charging become an add-on feature after the initial push with the 920. Luckily, it seems they are turning that around, which bodes well for future high end devices.

    6. Better battery life. The combination of SD801 and a larger battery should ensure this (and that's despite the larger screen, too).

    7. Accessories: one of my favourite aspects of owning a Nokia (MSM) device is that they are always very well supported with accessories and that seems to be continuing under MS ownership. Of course, the key accessory here would be a new camera grip to serve the same function as the current one: battery boost, handling and tripod mounting.

    I think that is a reasonable list of predictions for a 1030 successor and it would certainly be enough for me to trade in my 930. Now to continue the perpetual waiting game that we all love to play so much! :)
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    09-07-2014 09:15 AM
  12. Beijendorf's Avatar
    I fear Flattie's predictions are correct, but I hope we'll be seeing a lot more than that.

    Screen
    Predict: 5.2" 1080p AMOLED.
    Hope: 5.2" 1440p AMOLED w/ Glance.

    Processor
    Predict: Qualcomm Snapdragon 801.
    Hope: Qualcomm Snapdragon 805.

    Camera
    Predict: Slightly thinner 41 MP Legacy camera module.
    Hope: High-resolution computational 16-lens array camera @ 20-40 MP.

    Design
    Predict: Continuation of the Icon/930/830 design language
    Hope: Fabula, 925/1520 or a brand new design language.

    Nokia has made itself known to fall behind the leaders in terms of updated hardware, so I guess the one-year old Snapdragon 801 is more likely. But there has been too many rumours of the 5.2" display (supposedly the McLaren) being posted around to make me guess they'd go with another 5" screen. The design language, I silently cry saying, will probably still be the (subjectively here, your mileage may vary) dreary industrial design with sharp edges rather than something elegant.

    As for the camera... Well, we have been hearing a lot of chatter about computational imaging coming out of Nokia in a not too distant future.
    Back in March, Daniel Rubino had sources saying Nokia was working on a multi-lens smartphone aimed at Q4 2014-Q1 2015. The executives at Microsoft Mobile claims their flagship engineering efforts is timing the release of Threshold. Jo Harlow says work is continuing on computational photography to give us the next great thing in mobile imaging. All while Pelican Imaging CEO Chris Pickett said in january 2014 that they expected to have their array camera in a device aimed at Q1-Q2 2015.

    TKTechNews on the other hand mentions Microsoft is now working hard to manage to release their 1020 successor flagship before the holiday season, stating it will include a thinner 41 MP camera module. So far they don't have any details on if it's a legacy module or computational module.

    So it's not impossible Microsoft kicked in a higher gear in order not to miss the all-important holiday season, getting Threshold and a new flagship out in time for it.
    Last edited by Beijendorf; 09-07-2014 at 01:41 PM. Reason: Accidentally typed an accidental redundancy by accident.
    09-07-2014 11:56 AM
  13. Trevor Wolfe's Avatar
    Lumia 1030 rumours

    I spoke to two Microsoft employees and asked about a follow-up model to the record-breaking Lumia 1020 supercamera phone. They of course couldnt tell me about unannounced products but went on to hint that I should wait 2 weeks and see what happens; and that I would definitely buy it without saying anything about the it


    This was today at ifa
    09-07-2014 08:34 PM
  14. maverick786us's Avatar
    Completely subjective, but the only thing worse than an all aluminium chassis (for me), would be glossy plastic. I think MSM have hit a nice balance with the metal band which frames the colourful matt polycarbonate back plate.

    That aside, if we're listing what we expect to see, then here's my tuppence:

    1. A quad-core Snapdragon processor - likely 801 if the phone does indeed land this year. I'm not expecting anything 64-bit related until Threshold hits. That should be more than powerful enough to drive WP8.1 and will (obviously) be able to take advantage of the giant camera speed improvements coming as part of the Denim update.

    2. A 5" full HD display. I suspect we'll see the same panel that was used in the Lumia 930, so AMOLED. I'm fine with that, as I think the strengths of that technology suit the black backgrounds, bold colours and large fonts of the WP UI.

    3. A design that follows the language used by the 930 and 830 phones. It seems to be the style MSM want to associate to their high-end (and high-end like ;) ) devices. Maybe something with the shape, style and size of the 930, but sporting a characteristic black camera module circle, more akin to the 1020 version than the 830 one.

    4. I'd expect the camera module to be a refined version of the 1020 Pureview module. Slimmer OIS as used in the 830 and other minor changes, but nothing that will make it a step change.

    5. Qi charging to be integrated this time. Nokia dropped the ball by letting wireless charging become an add-on feature after the initial push with the 920. Luckily, it seems they are turning that around, which bodes well for future high end devices.

    6. Better battery life. The combination of SD801 and a larger battery should ensure this (and that's despite the larger screen, too).

    7. Accessories: one of my favourite aspects of owning a Nokia (MSM) device is that they are always very well supported with accessories and that seems to be continuing under MS ownership. Of course, the key accessory here would be a new camera grip to serve the same function as the current one: battery boost, handling and tripod mounting.

    I think that is a reasonable list of predictions for a 1030 successor and it would certainly be enough for me to trade in my 930. Now to continue the perpetual waiting game that we all love to play so much! :)
    Why are you against aluminium chassis? It gives preimum look and feel. Look iPhone and high end HTC devices, all are made up of aluminium to give premium feel. If you take a look at 920, its all plastic, although it doesn't look as bad as samsung's cheap plastic, but overall looks mediocre.
    09-08-2014 04:52 AM
  15. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    Why would they not want to make people buy accessories all over again? Maybe they see apple is making huge amounts of money doing just that? Just a thought...
    that's logical, but Apple is selling well while the 1020 wasn't...
    there could be a lot of Camera Grips out there waiting for buyers and if the 1020 becomes obsolete, it'll be a loss for MS Mobile...

    minor, perhaps... but still loss
    09-08-2014 06:21 AM
  16. ricardowieira's Avatar
    well, i'm waiting for the 1020 successor, to replace my 920.

    cpu: qualcomm snapdragon 805
    ram: 3gb
    screen: 5.2" 1080p amoled puremotion hd+
    storage: 16gb/32gb (with storage expansion)
    battery: 3200+ mah
    rear-camera: 41 mp pureview (4k - 30fps, 1080p - 120fps)
    front-camera: 2.1 mp (1080p - 30fps)

    this is what i expect! let's see! :)
    09-09-2014 08:11 AM
  17. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I always wanted my 1020 to have the same IPS LCD screen as my 920 and 1520. Sure, more colors with AMOLED, but on my 1020, I could always tell the difference in speed when scrolling paragraphs of text. There's always a little bit of lag (blurring or ghosting) with the AMOLED screen. The LCD screens always seems more crisp and with a faster response time.

    With that, I wont let an AMOLED screen deter me from buying a 1020 successor no matter which screen they use! As long as it has the 41MP or better PureView tech, and all the other expected upgraded specs, consider it sold!
    09-09-2014 08:37 AM
  18. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    I fear Flattie's predictions are correct, but I hope we'll be seeing a lot more than that.

    Screen
    Predict: 5.2" 1080p AMOLED.
    Hope: 5.2" 1440p AMOLED w/ Glance.

    Processor
    Predict: Qualcomm Snapdragon 801.
    Hope: Qualcomm Snapdragon 805.

    Camera
    Predict: Slightly thinner 41 MP Legacy camera module.
    Hope: High-resolution computational 16-lens array camera @ 20-40 MP.

    Design
    Predict: Continuation of the Icon/930/830 design language
    Hope: Fabula, 925/1520 or a brand new design language.

    Nokia has made itself known to fall behind the leaders in terms of updated hardware, so I guess the one-year old Snapdragon 801 is more likely. But there has been too many rumours of the 5.2" display (supposedly the McLaren) being posted around to make me guess they'd go with another 5" screen. The design language, I silently cry saying, will probably still be the (subjectively here, your mileage may vary) dreary industrial design with sharp edges rather than something elegant.

    As for the camera... Well, we have been hearing a lot of chatter about computational imaging coming out of Nokia in a not too distant future.
    Back in March, Daniel Rubino had sources saying Nokia was working on a multi-lens smartphone aimed at Q4 2014-Q1 2015. The executives at Microsoft Mobile claims their flagship engineering efforts is timing the release of Threshold. Jo Harlow says work is continuing on computational photography to give us the next great thing in mobile imaging. All while Pelican Imaging CEO Chris Pickett said in january 2014 that they expected to have their array camera in a device aimed at Q1-Q2 2015.

    TKTechNews on the other hand mentions Microsoft is now working hard to manage to release their 1020 successor flagship before the holiday season, stating it will include a thinner 41 MP camera module. So far they don't have any details on if it's a legacy module or computational module.

    So it's not impossible Microsoft kicked in a higher gear in order not to miss the all-important holiday season, getting Threshold and a new flagship out in time for it.
    on one hand, computational photography is appealing
    but on the other hand, if Microsoft doesn't continue the 41 MP on the Lumia 10xx, they have to try harder to convince people that it's a better camera albeit lesser megapixels without bashing their own products

    as for the processor, I don't think Microsoft will sacrifice that part again
    I think it's better for them to use Snapdragon 805 instead of modified Snapdragon 800/801
    the possibility is quite high on this one as they realize that the differences between 801 to 805 is quite enormous if compared to the differences between 800 and 801
    09-09-2014 08:50 AM
  19. psoham777's Avatar
    The expected 1030 specs
    5" IPS LCD 1080p display with gorilla glass 3
    Snapdragon 801 quad core processor
    41 mp purview with xenon flash, 2mp front facing camera(it could be even 5mp)
    16gb inbuilt memory, expandable upto 128gb
    3400mAh battery
    2 Gb RAM
    09-09-2014 08:53 AM
  20. Donny James's Avatar
    if McLaren is going to be a true successor of the 1020, I really think it should have a 41 megapixel camera...

    reason? to keep the heritage of 10xx series :3
    Forget heritage. Sticking with 41Mp would be a mistake. Regular consumers (Who will determine the success of WP) don't understand heritage only numbers. They will see that 55Mp is better than 41Mp. So since the SD 810 can handle up to 55Mp then MS should aim for that.
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    09-09-2014 10:05 AM
  21. Donny James's Avatar
    These Specs are far better.

    5-inch with glane screen support Sapphire Crystal Glass (Cause its stronger), 3GB Ram, 32GB Storage, MSD slot up to 128GB, Snapdragon 810 (Octo core ) 55Mp main camera, 5Mp front camera, Virtual keys with gradient background like the Moto X, hardware camera button, NFC, Laser Focus (Or Super fast focusing), Super small bezel, Interchangeable battery, wireless charging built in, released on all carriers!
    09-09-2014 10:14 AM
  22. psoham777's Avatar
    These Specs are far better.

    5-inch with glane screen support Sapphire Crystal Glass (Cause its stronger), 3GB Ram, 32GB Storage, MSD slot up to 128GB, Snapdragon 810 (Octo core ) 55Mp main camera, 5Mp front camera, Virtual keys with gradient background like the Moto X, hardware camera button, NFC, Laser Focus (Or Super fast focusing), Super small bezel, Interchangeable battery, wireless charging built in, released on all carriers!
    For the specs you have mentioned, 1030 would be twice the price of iPhone 6. Your specs are good, but not practical. MS won't even dream of giving such specs, no one would
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    09-09-2014 10:57 AM
  23. Beijendorf's Avatar
    on one hand, computational photography is appealing
    but on the other hand, if Microsoft doesn't continue the 41 MP on the Lumia 10xx, they have to try harder to convince people that it's a better camera albeit lesser megapixels without bashing their own products

    as for the processor, I don't think Microsoft will sacrifice that part again
    I think it's better for them to use Snapdragon 805 instead of modified Snapdragon 800/801
    the possibility is quite high on this one as they realize that the differences between 801 to 805 is quite enormous if compared to the differences between 800 and 801
    Releasing an imaging flagship with a technology so revolutionary as to have 16 cameras and 3D imaging would generate a lot more buzz than to just release a third iteration of a 41 MP module. The megapixel count was jaw-dropping when we first heard of it in 2012. It was interesting the second time we heard it in 2013. It's unlikely it will generate anywhere near as much hype a third time unless there's something more revolutionary about it.

    Microsoft could likely skimp on the SoC, but if they do I hope they choose to include a dedicated imaging chip this time around.
    09-09-2014 02:36 PM
  24. theefman's Avatar
    For the specs you have mentioned, 1030 would be twice the price of iPhone 6. Your specs are good, but not practical. MS won't even dream of giving such specs, no one would
    He forgot the nuclear power plant to power it all! :)
    09-09-2014 02:58 PM
  25. KeegdnaB42's Avatar
    Back before the McLaren got axed some reports suggested it was the 1030 and others that said the 1030 was a separate device. I've had a theory that the discrepancy is because they were in essence developing two different versions concurrently, one with the 3D touch stuff and one without, with the intention that the McLaren would be released if the new tech was ready, and if not they'd just release a more straight-up 1020 successor while continuing to work on the 3D touch for the future. What sort of led me to this theory was how Goldfinger was originally slated as the 8.1 flagship but then got shelved in favor of the 930. To me it seems they got caught off-guard and repurposed the custom-built-for-Verizon Icon at the last minute and so decided to have a real plan B in case the same thing happened with McLaren, which it did.
    Based on that, I'd probably guess that the specs that leaked about McLaren are pretty much what we'll get minus the 3D touch. If I remember, that was SD805, 5.2 inch QHD screen, and updated 1020 camera. Design language consistent with the 830/930 is pretty much a given, and the 830 makes me think they're planning on the black circle camera casing to be the new distinguishing feature for pureview devices. That leaves us with something that pretty much looks like a [just slightly bigger] Icon/930 with a 1020 camera hump, and that's just fine with me. All they have to do is actually release it on Verizon (and not let them jerk us all around with updates)
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    09-09-2014 04:52 PM
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