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  1. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    I would really like seeing a Lumia 1030 with better speed and it'll truly be the best cameraphone, 120 FPS slow mo and 4K would be nice as well.
    ...and the right hardware to support it.
    amen
    salmanahmad likes this.
    08-30-2014 03:04 AM
  2. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Yes because in December We will get Update which will make Snapdragon 805 Work on Windows Phone and Only Snapdragon 805 can handle 41 Megapixel fine 801 and 800 Can't.
    There currently is no evidence of a 1030 in development. Although there likely is a follow up, there is nothing but speculation at this point.

    Couple of other issues:

    You do not need the 805 chipset. HTC has been using their own, separate imaging chipset going back to the Windows Phone 7.5 Titan II (16 MP) back in early 2012. The HTC One (both Android and Windows Phone) also uses this homebrew ISP dubbed simply 'HTC ImageChip' to help them take quick photos. It is also how it can use two cameras at once (aka 'Duo Camera') to do refocus, HDR and 3D images all in Auto mode.

    To speed up photo processing, you also do not need a separate chip if you simply redo the imaging architecture for processing e.g. do it in the background.

    So besides being just assumptions and speculation, the foundation of this thread is also incorrect. Having said that, I am sure Microsoft and its OEM partners are likely expanding chipset coverage, and sure, new phones are likely to get new chipsets. Doing 4K video clips, etc. though is not contingent upon an 805.
    09-01-2014 01:23 PM
  3. Bahamen's Avatar
    The Verge also says that iPhone 5S is the best cameraphone ever.
    Wow. With this statement alone, I can see the word "SHEEP" blinking on your forehead. Someone from the Verge claimed that nothing matches the 5S' picture quality. One simple sentence. No proof, no photo comparisons, no analysis, nothing to back it up, zilch. But that was enough for someone like you to hang onto every word of it.

    My arguments about flash and white balance we're correct: iPhone 5s vs. Nokia Lumia 1020 - Camera Shootout - LAPTOP
    I'm not sure why you are linking to such an amateurishly done camera comparison. I clicked on the High-Res link to download the original files for further examination. But guess what - the so-called "High Res" files are all highly compressed and are less than 1 Megapixel in resolution! It is also hilarious how the author referred to "iPhone being sharpest but ... there was more cinematic quality in the Lumia". The correct term for this "cinematic" phenomena is "bokeh" or shallow depth of field which is usually the mark of good cameras with large sensors and large apertures. There are other issues but I can't be bothered to list them all out as I think this guy is a joke and I seriously doubt he knows what he is doing.

    Anyway Salman. If you are interested in real camera comparisons, you might want to read up well-established reviewers like DPReview. If you don't have the time, here is an extremely brief summary of the scores, 10 being highest:

    Lumia 1020: 8.8/10
    iPhone 5S: 8.1/10
    Xperia Z2: 7.6/10
    Galaxy S5: 8.2/10

    But you really should try read up on it, that way you would at least have an idea what is the gold standard when it comes to camera comparisons and not get hoodwinked by the Verge's one-liner edict, or some unknown unknown who doesn't know what he is doing.
    theefman likes this.
    09-02-2014 01:30 PM
  4. Beijendorf's Avatar
    Anyway Salman. If you are interested in real camera comparisons, you might want to read up well-established reviewers like DPReview. If you don't have the time, here is an extremely brief summary of the scores, 10 being highest:

    Lumia 1020: 8.8/10
    iPhone 5S: 8.1/10
    Xperia Z2: 7.6/10
    Galaxy S5: 8.2/10
    DxOMark have different scores;

    Nokia Lumia 1020: 74/100
    Photo: 79/100
    Video: 64/100


    Apple iPhone 5S: 76/100
    Photo: 78/100
    Video: 72/100


    Sony Xperia Z2: 79/100
    Photo: 81/100
    Video: 73/100


    Samsung Galaxy S5: 79/100
    Photo: 80/100
    Video: 79/100


    It should be noted that the DxOMark camera tests are done once and only once. They don't renew their test of a mobile device after each software update. They adhere to this rather strictly, which is fair.

    Now if we are to continue this fight, grab a baseball bat. Last person to get a concussion wins!

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    09-02-2014 05:38 PM
  5. Bahamen's Avatar
    DxOMark have different scores;

    Nokia Lumia 1020: 74/100
    Photo: 79/100
    Video: 64/100


    Apple iPhone 5S: 76/100
    Photo: 78/100
    Video: 72/100


    Sony Xperia Z2: 79/100
    Photo: 81/100
    Video: 73/100


    Samsung Galaxy S5: 79/100
    Photo: 80/100
    Video: 79/100


    It should be noted that the DxOMark camera tests are done once and only once. They don't renew their test of a mobile device after each software update. They adhere to this rather strictly, which is fair.

    Now if we are to continue this fight, grab a baseball bat. Last person to get a concussion wins!

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    The DXO tests are riddled with inconsistencies. Just go through the comment sections under the DPReview articles linking to those tests and there are plenty of issues raised by readers. The most obvious issue is that their numeric scores are inconsistent with their own accompanying written narrative. You could have one camera with better narrative (e.g. more pros and less cons) and yet scoring lower. There are also ridiculous results like devices with OIS getting significantly lower score on stabilization than devices without OIS, and xenon flash scoring lower than LED flash.
    09-02-2014 06:36 PM
  6. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    That's the problem with reviews with a score at the end. The score doesn't really reflex the experience what the reviewer had. It's best just to read or watch the review without giving a score that way you'll have a understanding, so you can judge properly.

    Say a reviewer gave it 9/10 that's a MUST BUY product and yet the negatives can out-weight the positives for some people. Rendering the score absolutely useless.
    09-02-2014 07:02 PM
  7. trainplane's Avatar
    While you don't need the 805 to support the 41MP of the 1020, wouldn't it make it easier and cheaper if the 805 already has hardware for it? One less chip on the phone.

    And anyway, the star of the 1020 is really the sensor size, which I think was the biggest of any smartphone when it was released and might still be the biggest. Many people don't understand this. Photography folks say there is no getting around physics. At some point the small sensors reach a limit for how much it can make pictures look better, especially in low light.

    Put a large sensor, make it speedy, add SD card support, make it have flagship specs, and you will have a phone that could be revolutionary, something approaching 4/3rds quality--in a phone. Something that truly differentiates WP from everything else. The 10X0 line isn't just about sales, but also about reputation. If they can claim the best phone camera hands down (picture quality, OIS, focus speed, shot speed), it will get people talking, including the reluctant press.
    bijak_riyandi and amrut_m like this.
    09-03-2014 02:58 AM
  8. Lundon44's Avatar
    With the Note 4 around the corner Nokia needs to release a 1530. If anyone has seen the specs of the Note 4 they are pretty cutting edge. Snapdragon 805, 16MP camera (not as cutting edge but can record in 4K), 2K screen, 3220mAh battery.

    Ideally having it out for the holiday season is ideal but doesn't seem likely. When the 1520 launched it had a hardware edge over the Note 3.. So being that Samsung stepped it up a few notches Nokia?MS needs to do the same. But if the Snapdragon 805 support isn't here until end of the year then I guess chances of a real flagship won't be until Q1 2015 earliest. Very disappointing that MS will have gone over a full year without a new flagship refresh. Something like this is unheard of from others like HTC, Samsung, Apple etc.. This will also be the longest I've had a phone for before upgrading lol.
    09-03-2014 01:27 PM
  9. Beijendorf's Avatar
    The DXO tests are riddled with inconsistencies. Just go through the comment sections under the DPReview articles linking to those tests and there are plenty of issues raised by readers. The most obvious issue is that their numeric scores are inconsistent with their own accompanying written narrative. You could have one camera with better narrative (e.g. more pros and less cons) and yet scoring lower. There are also ridiculous results like devices with OIS getting significantly lower score on stabilization than devices without OIS, and xenon flash scoring lower than LED flash.
    I'm well aware of the issues discussed by people about the DxOMark scoring, and I wish their reviews were more exhausting in terms of transparency for why they rate as they do. While I prefer DPReview, the fact is that DxOMark is one of the the few large unaffiliated sites that do professional reviews of mobile cameras.
    09-04-2014 03:58 PM
  10. Luke Frisbee's Avatar
    thanks to all that offered their insight..it was so sane to read about performance instead of the crap about the camera unit being "So big and bulky". the reviews I read are so often skewed by the reviewer having so little knowledge of the product, so they talk about a mm of thickness as if it mattered...My point is a ramble, at best a loose association, But please...I do not care about a mm or even a cm, put the most tech possible into the camera in my Personal Device. the thing I am interested in most is taking pics with it. looking at pics on it, and sharing pics with it. And I see it all the time..People enjoy the camera aspect of their Personal device over any other aspect....let there be light..and more light.
    09-23-2014 09:52 AM
  11. kaaleth's Avatar
    I am thinking about new phone. Actually I have got Lumia 920 with broken screen. It would be great to have something like Lumia 1030, because I have no idea which phone I could buy. The 1020 has old hardware and is very similar to my L920. Lumia 930 has no glancescreen and microSD slot. The L1520 is very great device but... 6 inches screen is huuuuge! Probably I have to wait :(
    ReneGO0 likes this.
    09-25-2014 04:44 PM
  12. DHHSMichael's Avatar
    In that same boat, waiting on a 920 upgrade. I'd rather not throw down $239 for the same specs on the 1020, other than the camera of course. And the 1520 is very niche, I personally do not prefer a screen that large.
    09-26-2014 03:49 PM
  13. Tero Tikkanen's Avatar
    yes snapdragon 805 support 55 mp but 50 mp camera is fine. I hope that Lumia 1030/1130 is 4GB ram/64GB internal memory + microsd, 64 bit snapdragon 808 /615 wp 8.1 update 3 january maybe.
    maverick786us and someone2639 like this.
    09-28-2014 03:29 AM
  14. Geethadevi soman's Avatar
    Note: Anyone took photos of Aurora with their phone; One thing most of the phones cant do which a lumia 1020 can do; between I didn't use a Tripod I was holding my phone and it was cold, so the picture is bit shaky. (holding the phone steady for more than 4s below -10 its hard), but all the iDiots (aka iPhone users ) amazed seeing these pics. Probably the iphone 20 will do this.
    One thing I would definitely want is the a trigger thru the headphone jack to that take the picture.
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    10-16-2014 04:51 PM
  15. someone2639's Avatar
    yes snapdragon 805 support 55 mp but 50 mp camera is fine. I hope that Lumia 1030/1130 is 4GB ram/64GB internal memory + microsd, 64 bit snapdragon 808 /615 wp 8.1 update 3 january maybe.
    IPhone 20? Well have a 41 Gigapixel sensor by then.
    10-16-2014 05:24 PM
  16. Mtb GT's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 perfectly handle 41 megapixels camera... because i got htis phone more like a one year and i have already made more like a 1000 of photos more Im a personal photographer from a couple of the years
    . Snapdragon 805 maybe will be support ultra HD or 4K whats not any rush with this now. Quantity isnt a quality.
    01-02-2015 02:12 AM
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