Nokia to return in 2016 says Forbes

[a5cent]

Nokia are reportedly working on an Android flagship device. Only problem is they won't be able to call it a Nokia

Except the way that article is written, it sounds as if it is in fact Microsoft Mobile that is developing that Android handset, not Nokia (which still exists as a separate company). I think a lot of people's heads would explode if that were true, but that isn't what is being discussed in this thread.

 

[fatclue_98]

I think a lot of people's heads would explode if that were true

Reminds me of the Clayton Bigsby sketch on the Chapelle Show when he pulled off the hood.

 

[EMINENT 1]

This last quarter, Sony only sold 9.9 million phones. Nokia sold 9.3.
Going Android or Jolla or whatever isn't going to get them any better than Sony can. And that's with Android. Sony waterproofing is actually something to be desired.

A new Nokia phone from a new Nokia would only be a Nokia in name only.

 

[fatclue_98]

A new Nokia phone from a new Nokia would only be a Nokia in name only.

What would you name a new Nokia phone from Nokia? Plymouth Belvedere?

 

[Loco5150]

Ok, so what is this now? Vsenn

 

[Laura Knotek]

Ok, so what is this now? Vsenn

That's not Nokia. It's a completely new company. It sounds too good to be true and probably doesn't stand a chance against Google's Project Ara.

 

[Loco5150]

I know its not Nokia, but still related and intresting.

 

[Beijendorf]

Aren't all of these mobile operating systems free of license costs?

Essentially that'd mean Nokia could release a real high-end device when they're ready (foldable display, computational camera, graphene battery, etc) and have it come pre-installed with Android, Windows Phone and Sailfish.

The user would then be able to choose OS, Nokia can make money on both hardware and presence in all app stores and the petty arguments about which OS is the best would reach a new high.

 

[Loco5150]

the petty arguments about which OS is the best would reach a new high.

Muhah

 

[Wam1q]

Aren't all of these mobile operating systems free of license costs?

Essentially that'd mean Nokia could release a real high-end device when they're ready (foldable display, computational camera, graphene battery, etc) and have it come pre-installed with Android, Windows Phone and Sailfish.

The user would then be able to choose OS, Nokia can make money on both hardware and presence in all app stores and the petty arguments about which OS is the best would reach a new high.

WP comes with Secure Boot, not allowing any other OS to boot up. So that's not going to happen (at least with WP as an option).

 

[Ruined]

Nokias phones in 2016 will be generic smartphones from China rebranded with the Nokia logo. They will look to cash in on the Nokia name/nostalgia with minimal cost/risk.

The old Nokia you fell in love with is the new Microsoft mobile. The new Nokia will just be a brand name you are paying for.

 

[fatclue_98]

Nokias phones in 2016 will be generic smartphones from China rebranded with the Nokia logo.

Which generic phones are you referring to? Don't say Foxconn because it may be an iPhone. :winktongue:

 

[Loco5150]

We’re saying goodbye soon to Microsoft Lumia. The Nokia team is excited to share the continuing Nokia story with you soon!

https://www.facebook.com/nokia?ref=br_rs

More and more it really looks like NOKIA is coming back to consumer electronics....... I want to see a comeback of the century! (does not have to be via phones)

 

[maverick786us]

What would you name a new Nokia phone from Nokia? Plymouth Belvedere?

Newkia.

My guess is, off the papers, Nokia is internally funding, Jolla so that they can improve / enhance their MeeGo based OS and gain as much market popularity as possible.

By time Nokia re-enters phone business, Sailfish OS will be matured and good enough, so Nokia will buy Jolla and use its OS, which is a good sign.

 

[Wam1q]

Newkia.

My guess is, off the papers, Nokia is internally funding, Jolla so that they can improve / enhance their MeeGo based OS and gain as much market popularity as possible.

By time Nokia re-enters phone business, Sailfish OS will be matured and good enough, so Nokia will buy Jolla and use its OS, which is a good sign.

Maybe Nokia would release a new flagship then, the Nokia Jolla 900 with Sailfish OS supporting Google services and Android apps...

 

[ohgood]

1 Because they did so well at it the last time?

2 Nokia was a great brand, and one of the first inventors and innovators in mobile technology.

3 But their product fell behind to products from Apple and Samsung etc, and their hail Mary pass was to team exclusively with Microsoft with Windows Phone. Some may say that this was a bad choice for them, but I disagree. I think Nokia would have been hemorrhaging money equally if they had decided to build Android phones. And Google would not have come to their rescue. The fate of that Nokia would be that of Motorola, another very old brand name in mobile phones, that was purchased by Google for what one can only assume was the patent portfolio, and the parts that Google didn't want were later sold to Lenovo.

In 2016, Nokia can legally begin to start designing and building cell phones again. Except that all of the people they employed to do that are now Microsoft employees. Maybe some would leave and join this new Nokia venture, but they'd be starting at ground zero. No previous designs they could use. No patents they could employ to keep their costs low. No manufacturing, since those Nokia factories belong to Microsoft. They'd either need to start by building expensive plants, or just outsource that to Foxxconn or a similar company.

This new Nokia may make some people happy to see a phone with NOKIA emblazoned across the screen,

4 but that phone won't have the soul of Nokia, it won't be of the lineage of the Nokia 3300, or the N8 or the Lumia 1020 or any of the iconic Nokia phones that people would be expecting.

1 the "last" last time is right now.... and you're right, its not worKing very well for them or ms.

2 is, not was

3 I hope we will see the current ms slogan of "coming soon" replaced by nokia saying "now" and a roar of applause.

4 hmm, didnt ms just lay off again? those people need projects....

 

[Ruined]

There is little point in spending all the money that would need to be spent in order to even position Nokia to be able to design cutting edge smartphones, nevermind manufacturing them. They could barely stay afloat even with another company propping them up, no way they could stay afloat with their own product now.

Instead it makes more sense to rebrand an Android phone from a generic china manufacturer and milk people for the Nokia brand name regardless of quality. This happens all the time with bankrupt electronics companies, they profit off past glories using their name slapped on someone else's lesser product.

Clearly some will buy Nokia on name alone, even if the product is nothing special. So there will be product for those buyers.

 

[maverick786us]

Maybe Nokia would release a new flagship then, the Nokia Jolla 900 with Sailfish OS supporting Google services and Android apps...

When Nokia handled its D & S division to MS, they retained most of its employees. Even when MS fired most of Nokia employees after the purchase of D & S, Nokia hired them.

Nokia has the capital, infrastructure and their R & D division, that can secretly help Jolla to enhance its MeeGo based sailfish OS, upto such an extent, that by the time Nokia re-enters into D & S business, it will purchase Jolla and use its optimized OS in its devices.

 

[tgp]

When Nokia handled its D & S division to MS, they retained most of its employees. Even when MS fired most of Nokia employees after the purchase of D & S, Nokia hired them.

Nokia has the capital, infrastructure and their R & D division, that can secretly help Jolla to enhance its MeeGo based sailfish OS, upto such an extent, that by the time Nokia re-enters into D & S business, it will purchase Jolla and use its optimized OS in its devices.

To add to that, couldn't Nokia be working on a phone now, and have it ready to hit the shelves on January 1, 2016? That would save a lot of time. Or do the terms with Microsoft specify that they can't work on it until that date?

 

[maverick786us]

To add to that, couldn't Nokia be working on a phone now, and have it ready to hit the shelves on January 1, 2016? That would save a lot of time. Or do the terms with Microsoft specify that they can't work on it until that date?

They can always work unofficially or pay money and provide technology to Jolla. So that they develop the device for them.