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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Oh, and one more thing... I hope the next Lumia flagship is made out of metal...

    Obviously metal is a trend nowadays on flagship phones... And Microsoft must go with that trend
    In other words a L925?
    03-04-2015 10:58 AM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The exclusive thing hurts sales here in the UK as well. Especially since they keep going back to EE all the damn time. :/

    The 640 and 640XL are a good example of this.

    I for one am loath to buy a phone tied to a carrier ever again and EE is one I will never go near again.
    03-04-2015 11:00 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    It would be nice to see a waterproof flagship and the phone being around 5".

    Since I have moved (sort of) to Android I won't be going back to WP right away. I'll see what happens.

    If they bring out a stylish phone (similar to my Z3) and plan to keep repeating that trend then I'll be back for sure so long as the apps come and the cross platform is more than a gimmick.
    Guytronic likes this.
    03-04-2015 11:03 AM
  4. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Some of us simply don't have high expectations. If a Microsoft flagship can't meet your expectations, then you're not paying attention to what Microsoft has done since they took over device manufacturing. They've never released a device with a chip better than the Snapdragon 400. That was even the core of the "affordable flagship" 830, which was just a sly way for calling a mid-range phone something better than what it was. Even the last "flagship" from Nokia was an underwhelming handset, given the AMOLED display (loss of Glance) and ho-hum SoC choice (there were higher-clocked options, but Nokia went with the low-end option, maybe due to Samsung/HTC demand?). It's not been since the 920 that a true, mainstream flagship was put out, so I don't know how anyone could have expectations so high that Microsoft couldn't meet them.

    At this point, all I want from a Microsoft flagship is this:

    Display: 4.5-5.0" IPS display, 1080p resolution
    SoC: Qualcomm Snapdragon 810
    Storage: 16 GB + microSD or 32 GB sans-microSD
    Rear Camera: 10 MP + OIS
    Battery: 2200+ mAh
    Extras: Wireless charging, multiple color choices (preferably orange, green, or a non-cyan blue)

    Basically, I just want the bare minimum for a modern flagship. I don't care about a FFC (I've never once used mine). I don't care if the chassis is unibody, or if it has a removable back. I don't care if it's metal or polycarbonate. I don't care if it's got hard corners (like the 930/Icon) or more-smoothed ones (like the 920). I don't have major requirements for the camera, just that it surpasses the 920's 8.7 MP + OIS setup. Compare this to what I'd ideally want:

    Display: 5.0" IPS display, 1080p resolution
    SoC: Qualcomm Snapdragon 810
    Storage: 32 GB + microSD or 64 GB sans-microSD
    Rear Camera: 20 MP + OIS
    Battery: 2500+ mAh
    Extras: Wireless charging + free wireless charger, USB 3.0, SensorCore, MotoMaker-like option (build your own device appearances), McLaren gestures/functionality

    I really don't need that much. I WANT a lot, but Microsoft's not even brought a ball to the table for it to drop of late. I just need a high-end SoC and obvious spec bumps from the 920.
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    03-04-2015 11:18 AM
  5. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    No WP is going to sell close to an iOS or Android flagship, or remotely better than a previous WP flagship, if items below are not addressed, regardless of how well spec'd the phone is:

    • Carrier exclusivity - End it.
    • Tech Site Perception and fairness toward Microsoft and/or Windows We know just how much some sites love to hate MS. Even if they dont mean it, it generates clicks and ends up spreading bad press in the process.
    • Salesperson Bias Being smartphone owners themselves, most have a personal allegiance toward their religion and it shows. Go in to a carrier store and ask about Windows phone and count how many seconds it takes for them to sway you toward iOS or Android.
    • Microsoft Marketing For the love of God I hope they actually do something good with the release of Windows 10. Enough with the Siri bashing and expand on how the OS and phone will work well in the everyday lives of owners. Show a collage of all the sh** load of apps and games that it does have.
    RJ Priest likes this.
    03-04-2015 12:16 PM
  6. rhapdog's Avatar
    They've never released a device with a chip better than the Snapdragon 400.
    That's because they haven't released a flagship, PERIOD.

    Flagship is coming with Windows 10. Yes, it will be worth it and will set the tech world talking.

    Hey, the tech world is all abuzz talking about the 640, and it's a midrange that has exceeded all expectations. Just wait until we see the true flagship.

    Yeah, Microsoft needs to stop the carrier exclusivity. It goes against everything they advertise with the 'One Experience' they keep touting. I want 'One Experience' across carriers, too.

    All in all, conjecture is fine. But we'll have to wait and see.
    luisfarelo likes this.
    03-04-2015 03:03 PM
  7. MikeX74's Avatar
    I think you nailed it on all fronts. In regards to carrier exclusivity, I think that Microsoft shouldn't even deal with the carriers. They just need to make their next flagship work with all carriers. If the carrier chooses not to carry it, Microsoft will be able to sell it off contract at their stores. This way anyone can get it. Microsoft has enough money to market it themselves without any help from the carriers. If Microsoft's next flagship is exclusive to AT&T or Verizon I'm gonna be pissed. It might just make me switch to Android. Which is something I really don't want to do.
    You mention the money that Microsoft has at its disposal and the wish that they advertise without aid of carriers, but here's a question. If money isn't an issue, why haven't they used that money to advertise already? When was the last time they aired any sort of ad, or rented a billboard? How or why would Microsoft expect anyone to care about their products when they don't even bother to advertise them?
    03-04-2015 04:40 PM
  8. MikeX74's Avatar
    No WP is going to sell close to an iOS or Android flagship, or remotely better than a previous WP flagship, if items below are not addressed, regardless of how well spec'd the phone is:

    • Carrier exclusivity - End it.
    • Tech Site Perception and fairness toward Microsoft and/or Windows – We know just how much some sites love to hate MS. Even if they don’t mean it, it generates clicks and ends up spreading bad press in the process.
    • Salesperson Bias – Being smartphone owners themselves, most have a personal allegiance toward their “religion” and it shows. Go in to a carrier store and ask about Windows phone and count how many seconds it takes for them to sway you toward iOS or Android.
    • Microsoft Marketing – For the love of God I hope they actually do something good with the release of Windows 10. Enough with the Siri bashing and expand on how the OS and phone will work well in the everyday lives of owners. Show a collage of all the sh** load of apps and games that it does have.
    1. Exclusives are probably the only way that MS could get the carriers to sell them. This is where I see a chicken/egg problem. Without stellar sales, MS can't go to carriers and dictate that they carry one "flagship-level" device(like Apple and Samsung can), but without that relationship to carriers, they can't get stellar sales. I would think that carriers want a third player to offset the Apple/Samsung duopoly that exists today. I'm not sure why MS doesn't go to them with the Holy Grail of WP devices and say, "You want a product you can REALLY push to put those other guys in their place? Well, here it is. The question is, does MS have it in them to try.

    2. Personally, I think the "media bias" excuse is just that--an excuse. Microsoft has to give news sites/blogs a reason to be excited about their products. They got a lot of positive feedback from a lot of sites for their HoloLens and Surface Hub.

    3. Ok. I can't say much to argue against this one. We all have our "allegiances" when it comes to pretty much anything these days. The trick(once carrier support comes) would be to train employees to show/tell the benefits of WP devices. Not necessarily to say that iPhones or Android devices suck, but tell potential customers what WP devices can do.

    4. Agreed, and maybe the easiest thing for MS to fix. Microsoft has billions of dollars at their disposal, so why aren't they marketing the heck out of these devices? And once they do decide to advertise more often, what is the message? This is where they need(IMO) to take a page from Apple. Say what you want about them, but they make ads with a simple message:

    a. Here's our device
    b. This is what it can do.
    c. This is what you can do with it.
    Why do you think they promote creation apps on their site? Why do you think the "Shot on iPhone 6" campaign exists? Their focus is on their products(and no one else's).

    Microsoft's marketing strategy for most, if not all of their recent ads has been, "Apple products suck. Buy our stuff instead." That strategy may get them short-term buzz, but they don't tell a wider story about the products they're trying to sell. What's more, they also position the Apple product as the standard they're trying to reach or surpass. Before anyone brings it up, I'm well aware of the "Get a Mac"campaign, and yes, I'm aware that attack ads worked for Samsung(for a while), but even their strategy changed.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    03-04-2015 05:24 PM
  9. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    Apple's new "Shot with iPhone 6" campaign is genius, and they are just getting it started. Considering the excellent camera's on Lumia flagships, it should be Microsoft doing these advertisements. Show actual photos photos taken by users, put them in tv commercials and on Microsoft's website.
    03-04-2015 05:52 PM
  10. Blacklac's Avatar
    Apple's new "Shot with iPhone 6" campaign is genius, and they are just getting it started. Considering the excellent camera's on Lumia flagships, it should be Microsoft doing these advertisements. Show actual photos photos taken by users, put them in tv commercials and on Microsoft's website.
    They do this on Instagram. It would be wise to expand it to a wider audience.
    03-04-2015 06:17 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    I would think that carriers want a third player to offset the Apple/Samsung duopoly that exists today. I'm not sure why MS doesn't go to them with the Holy Grail of WP devices and say, "You want a product you can REALLY push to put those other guys in their place? Well, here it is.
    I agree with a lot of what you say, but not this. Why would the carriers care about the Apple/Samsung duopoly? The devices of both manufacturers sell like crazy. In fact, the carriers could probably survive on those 2 alone.

    And I know that WP is the preferred platform here and is mostly regarded as superior, but the real world doesn't see it that way. The app gap, for one, is very real. WP is not ready to take the place of iPhone & Android to the general public. A few specific users, sure. But it's not yet suitable for mainstream, not after we're all used to the quality and capabilities of iPhone and high end Android.
    03-04-2015 09:04 PM
  12. slysy's Avatar
    My expectations are pretty low personally, so I hope the device can live up to them:

    SD card support (or choice of storage with 128gb option available)
    Choice of screen size (5inch or 5.5/6 inch) - I'm hopeful as they have done this with the 640 and 640XL
    Wireless Charging
    High-end processor
    Pureview camera with dedicated camera button
    Glance screen support
    Choice of colours
    2gb ram or more
    FFC 5mp or higher
    No widespread annoying hardware issues ( phantom touches, dust in FFC etc)
    03-05-2015 04:49 AM
  13. Gabriel Olaru's Avatar
    No WP is going to sell close to an iOS or Android flagship, or remotely better than a previous WP flagship, if items below are not addressed, regardless of how well spec'd the phone is:

    • Carrier exclusivity - End it.
    • Tech Site Perception and fairness toward Microsoft and/or Windows – We know just how much some sites love to hate MS. Even if they don’t mean it, it generates clicks and ends up spreading bad press in the process.
    • Salesperson Bias – Being smartphone owners themselves, most have a personal allegiance toward their “religion” and it shows. Go in to a carrier store and ask about Windows phone and count how many seconds it takes for them to sway you toward iOS or Android.
    • Microsoft Marketing – For the love of God I hope they actually do something good with the release of Windows 10. Enough with the Siri bashing and expand on how the OS and phone will work well in the everyday lives of owners. Show a collage of all the sh** load of apps and games that it does have.
    All this happened with iphone when they launched it. It was carrier exclusive, people in stores didn't recomend it. People are afraid of new. For 80% of the people new is bad and they are afraid to test it. Also people in stores recive a small amount of money if they sell for ex an expensive Samsung. Give a salesman a free lumia 830 and i bet he will start to recomend it to the people based on his experience :)
    03-05-2015 10:01 AM
  14. rhapdog's Avatar
    My expectations are pretty low personally, so I hope the device can live up to them:

    SD card support (or choice of storage with 128gb option available)
    Choice of screen size (5inch or 5.5/6 inch) - I'm hopeful as they have done this with the 640 and 640XL
    Wireless Charging
    High-end processor
    Pureview camera with dedicated camera button
    Glance screen support
    Choice of colours
    2gb ram or more
    FFC 5mp or higher
    No widespread annoying hardware issues ( phantom touches, dust in FFC etc)
    I must say, I like your expectations. Water and dust resistant would be nice, but only if the battery remains user replaceable. If it doesn't have a user replaceable battery, then I won't even look at the rest of the specs. That's a deal breaker for me.

    All this happened with iphone when they launched it. It was carrier exclusive, people in stores didn't recomend it. People are afraid of new. For 80% of the people new is bad and they are afraid to test it. Also people in stores recive a small amount of money if they sell for ex an expensive Samsung. Give a salesman a free lumia 830 and i bet he will start to recomend it to the people based on his experience :)
    All the sales people at the local Corporate AT&T stores in my area, at least the ones in my city and the cities in the 9 counties around me, have been issued Lumia 830 phones as of 3 months ago, and they are actually quite helpful to people who come in and have steered quite a few people to Windows Phone because of it. If Microsoft really wants to make a solid investment that would produce some return, then give away a new 640 XL to all the store reps for AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and T-Mobile with the provision they must use it as their daily driver for a minimum of 6 months to receive it free. I'll bet a lot would go for it and WP would probably start getting more recommendations.

    Here's another idea MS should try. Since we know a lot of people use their smartphone for their exclusive online use simply because they can't afford both a flagship and a computer or flagship and tablet, then giving a discount bundle to something like a Lumia 640 with a 10-11 inch lower end tablet would be great for those wanting to still do their banking apps within a browser. Then Microsoft wouldn't have to worry so much about banking apps. If bundled through a carrier, many people could afford to get it on contract that might not otherwise be able to do so.

    Perhaps some people don't want 2 devices, but I'm willing to bet a lot of them do, yet choose not to because of economics.
    03-05-2015 10:15 AM
  15. RaRa85's Avatar
    You really touched on all my points with this thread and I wrote a similar one right before I left WP to test out Android with the launch of the Xperia Z3 on T-Mobile. At this point I feel like the next flagship has to be a 1020 successor available on all carriers in a slimmed down as possible body. Actually if they could combine the imaging power of the 1020 with the sexiness of the 925 with a 5", 1080p(cause 2k screens are still overrated on phone screens IMO) screen that would be a match made in heaven. I believe the next flagship NEEDS to be 41 megapixels because it instantly puts the phone ahead of the competition. 20mp sensors are just fine but it's been done and is being done. Microsoft needs that same 1020 magic powered by the next gen processor that will rival the speed and auto photo taking capabilities of the iPhone 6 and Note 4/S6. That will absolutely kill every argument the doubters can bring against Lumia phones. Lumia Camera's software already offers more fine tuned control and manual fun over anything that Apple or Android can currently do. So they have an advantage there. But the algorithms have to be improved and tweaked slightly. The phone should come with 32gb of storage AND an SD card slot. How is the 1520 the only flagship with this option? Outside of getting the hardware right Microsoft has to work hard on bringing better and more official apps to the platform and they have to get Windows 10 for phone right. Absolutely agree about no carrier exclusives. I'm not switching from T-Mobile to get any phone.
    03-22-2015 11:16 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    To all the members of Windows Central, riddle me this. Would you rather see a flagship that mirrors the competition spec-for-spec, or would you rather see an updated 1520 with a truly killer feature nobody else has? I'm not referring to a fancy fingerprint scanner or Wacom support. I'm talking about a device that makes my coffee in the morning, turns on my laptop, starts my car and walks my dog. Well, not exactly but you get the idea. I'm serious about the coffee, though.
    03-23-2015 12:29 PM
  17. RJ Priest's Avatar
    To all the members of Windows Central, riddle me this. Would you rather see a flagship that mirrors the competition spec-for-spec, or would you rather see an updated 1520 with a truly killer feature nobody else has? I'm not referring to a fancy fingerprint scanner or Wacom support. I'm talking about a device that makes my coffee in the morning, turns on my laptop, starts my car and walks my dog. Well, not exactly but you get the idea. I'm serious about the coffee, though.
    For me, the truly killer feature must be imaging and audio capture related. Just like Nokia raised the bar with the 808, then the 920 (OIS & low-light quality), and again with the 1020 (lossless digital zoom & full manual control). The next camera must be something that really takes a huge step format and makes other smartphones look inadequate (again). This is the only area where Windows Phone stays a step ahead and makes the others play catchup. We don't need gimmicks, just an overall higher quality experience than what other platforms offer.
    RaRa85 and 920Walker like this.
    03-23-2015 06:41 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    For me, the truly killer feature must be imaging and audio capture related. Just like Nokia raised the bar with the 808, then the 920 (OIS & low-light quality), and again with the 1020 (lossless digital zoom & full manual control). The next camera must be something that really takes a huge step format and makes other smartphones look inadequate (again). This is the only area where Windows Phone stays a step ahead and makes the others play catchup. We don't need gimmicks, just an overall higher quality experience than what other platforms offer.
    I would agree with that if the 1020 had made a dent in sales with such a superior effort at the time of release. Unfortunately, buyers didn't exactly flock to the 1020 for the awesome camera or the 1520 with its array of AAC mikes. This could help:

    No secure SIM card or special app needed to make mobile payments using a Windows 10 handset
    03-23-2015 06:53 PM
  19. Blacklac's Avatar
    The 1020 was atleast known by people due to marketing. When i first got mine, people kept asking me if it was "that phone with the camera". Unfortunately, it wasnt sold on all carriers. I think if it was a globally released phone, it would have sold decent, for WP devices.
    03-23-2015 06:57 PM
  20. peachy001's Avatar
    I think a 1030 would be the wrong phone to focus on. It is too niche. I reckon the 1030 should be q4 2015, or q1 or 2 2016. It should have the 820 Snapdragon inside. Its camera tech deserves it.

    This year, a 940 and 1530 are required. Both need a min of 32gb, plus sd support. And the camera needs to be top class. I don't need extra megapixels, I need top quality images and video, with fancy mics.

    Wireless charging, 3gb RAM, 1080p, and a suitable battery.

    Must be available on all carriers in as many countries as possible, and also Canada needs some love.
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    03-23-2015 07:50 PM
  21. Grimlock's Avatar
    I'm afraid of the next lumia flagship having a snapdragon 810. The processor still runs hot and sacrifices battery life for a very small bump in performance. MS might be better off using a snapdragon 805 this year and going with a 820+ next year.
    03-24-2015 12:09 PM
  22. Blacklac's Avatar
    I'm afraid of the next lumia flagship having a snapdragon 810. The processor still runs hot and sacrifices battery life for a very small bump in performance. MS might be better off using a snapdragon 805 this year and going with a 820+ next year.
    I heard MS were going to use fans.
    03-24-2015 01:51 PM
  23. crise's Avatar
    i heard ms were going to use fans.
    lol
    03-24-2015 01:56 PM
  24. Zulfigar's Avatar
    I'm afraid of the next lumia flagship having a snapdragon 810. The processor still runs hot and sacrifices battery life for a very small bump in performance. MS might be better off using a snapdragon 805 this year and going with a 820+ next year.
    Depends on who you ask for the heat issue. Neither the LG Flex 2 and HTC One M9 are having heat issues, as noted by the writers of Android Central.

    Who knows though, maybe they're going Intel. We'll have to wait and see.
    03-24-2015 02:01 PM
  25. RaRa85's Avatar
    Depends on who you ask for the heat issue. Neither the LG Flex 2 and HTC One M9 are having heat issues, as noted by the writers of Android Central.

    Who knows though, maybe they're going Intel. We'll have to wait and see.
    Yeah we know. We always have to wait...
    03-24-2015 02:02 PM
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