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  1. senrabwh's Avatar
    So, it seems the SD 820 is spread being tested and benchmarked. I just read an article that said it will have a fall release. That being said, the Lumia 940XL BETTER have the 820 and NOT the 810. The reason.... The 810 will be very old news by the time the 940 is announced, then 2 more months later we can get our hands on one. Meanwhile, Android manufacturers will be announcing and selling phones with the SD 820 and another WP flagship will be 6 months behind I specs..... But, what do I know, I still have my 1020..... Im just saying.... It would be a huge boost if they used the 820! How excited would you be! Answer honestly and don't make more excuses.... Excuses are like colds, everyone gets them and they suck to have...
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    06-28-2015 04:42 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Moved to appropriate forum...

    As per this advice: http://forums.windowscentral.com/ask...ion-forum.html WC members are free to post in all areas of the board. Please use Ask a Question only for time critical help issues that affect the immediate functionality of your device.
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    06-28-2015 05:44 PM
  3. Harrie-S's Avatar
    So, it seems the SD 820 is spread being tested and benchmarked. I just read an article that said it will have a fall release. That being said, the Lumia 940XL BETTER have the 820 and NOT the 810. The reason.... The 810 will be very old news by the time the 940 is announced, then 2 more months later we can get our hands on one. Meanwhile, Android manufacturers will be announcing and selling phones with the SD 820 and another WP flagship will be 6 months behind I specs..... But, what do I know, I still have my 1020..... Im just saying.... It would be a huge boost if they used the 820! How excited would you be! Answer honestly and don't make more excuses.... Excuses are like colds, everyone gets them and they suck to have...
    Dream on.

    And please explain the huge boost difference between the snapdragon 810 and 820 for a windows phone. Or even if they would use the snapdragon 805 or 808.
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    06-28-2015 05:51 PM
  4. jmshub's Avatar
    There is always the next best thing coming down the line. Should they delay Win10 handsets until the snapdragon 830?
    06-28-2015 05:57 PM
  5. pjm1891's Avatar
    The 810 should never be considered for it's heat issues alone. I will never buy a device with a Snapdragon 810.
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    06-29-2015 09:49 AM
  6. mase123987's Avatar
    Dream on.

    And please explain the huge boost difference between the snapdragon 810 and 820 for a windows phone. Or even if they would use the snapdragon 805 or 808.
    If the sd820 is a better chip and doesn't delay the release of the phones by more than a month or so, why not use it? MS isn't going to make their phones cheaper for you because they used an older chip. You should always want the best for the flagship considering the price of these phones.
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    06-29-2015 10:09 AM
  7. mase123987's Avatar
    There is always the next best thing coming down the line. Should they delay Win10 handsets until the snapdragon 830?
    If MS would have to delay release for a month to get the latest, they should do it. Why settle for less? (Assuming the new chip is better on all fronts)
    06-29-2015 10:12 AM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    From what I've read, the 810 has been having some overheating issues. Maybe it's not ready for prime time or maybe it just doesn't process Android properly. That was a jab at Android not a technical explanation. Anyhoo, with the importance of a proper release of W10M it would be prudent to at least study the situation, a feasibility study if you will.
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    06-29-2015 10:15 AM
  9. noersetiawan's Avatar
    If the sd820 is a better chip and doesn't delay the release of the phones by more than a month or so, why not use it? MS isn't going to make their phones cheaper for you because they used an older chip. You should always want the best for the flagship considering the price of these phones.
    Very true, couldn't agree more. However from experience, looks like MS loves to lock the phone spec very early in development (the flagship L930 has the same SoC (and RAM!) with Nexus 5 which is half the price and launched half a year earlier) This way we will always get outdated SoC, SD820 is unlikely..
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    06-29-2015 10:36 AM
  10. jmshub's Avatar
    If Microsoft is concerned about the overheating of the sd810 and wants to avoid any potential problems, that is understandable and a perfectly reasonable to skip it for the next generation of chips on the next line of handsets. I'm sure that the situation is well researched by engineers. But delaying the manufacture and release of a phone just because there is a newer and shinier chipset is not a a valid reason.

    If, in two months, Microsoft announces the Lumia 940, and it has the 810 chip in it, there will be derision on the forum, before anyone ever sees a phone in person. There will always be a newer and "better' chip in development.You can drive yourself crazy following along with a burning desire to always have a device that is incrementally better than the one you already have.
    06-29-2015 10:36 AM
  11. mase123987's Avatar
    If Microsoft is concerned about the overheating of the sd810 and wants to avoid any potential problems, that is understandable and a perfectly reasonable to skip it for the next generation of chips on the next line of handsets. I'm sure that the situation is well researched by engineers. But delaying the manufacture and release of a phone just because there is a newer and shinier chipset is not a a valid reason.

    If, in two months, Microsoft announces the Lumia 940, and it has the 810 chip in it, there will be derision on the forum, before anyone ever sees a phone in person. There will always be a newer and "better' chip in development.You can drive yourself crazy following along with a burning desire to always have a device that is incrementally better than the one you already have.
    All hypothetical here: What if the "newer and shinier" chip provides 10% better performance, 10% less power usage, 10% less heat production and some other features we don't know if yet? Is it still just a "shinier" chip?

    A lot of WP users in the past defended lesser chips being used because WP didn't require as strong of chip to run smooth as Android. For some reason, that has turned into becoming okay with not having the best but still paying for it.
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    06-29-2015 10:47 AM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If Microsoft is concerned about the overheating of the sd810 and wants to avoid any potential problems, that is understandable and a perfectly reasonable to skip it for the next generation of chips on the next line of handsets. I'm sure that the situation is well researched by engineers. But delaying the manufacture and release of a phone just because there is a newer and shinier chipset is not a a valid reason.

    If, in two months, Microsoft announces the Lumia 940, and it has the 810 chip in it, there will be derision on the forum, before anyone ever sees a phone in person. There will always be a newer and "better' chip in development.You can drive yourself crazy following along with a burning desire to always have a device that is incrementally better than the one you already have.
    I'm just concerned with customers complaining if there is a heat issue with the 810. The tech geeks (like us) are the only ones interested in the latest and greatest. John Q. Public doesn't want to hold his new flagship with welding gloves. This release is far too critical to leave it to a chip that may have an adverse effect on the user experience.
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    06-29-2015 11:10 AM
  13. jmshub's Avatar
    All hypothetical here: What if the "newer and shinier" chip provides 10% better performance, 10% less power usage, 10% less heat production and some other features we don't know if yet? Is it still just a "shinier" chip?
    Yes, it is. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the next version of the chip will be faster and more efficient. That is why they iterate and make a new chip. But as soon as the 820 comes out that is 10% better, the 830 series will be in the pipeline, and it will be 10% better than the current best yet, with the 840 series chips will be behind that, etc. I stand behind what I said. There will always be the next best thing behind whatever is out there now, and I don't feel like my phone is obsolete because it "only" has a Snapdragon 800 in it.

    Smartphones, like computers in the late 90s, make some users blind to specs. The raw numbers don't tell an accurate description of how fast and efficient a device will be in real world use, and even benchmarks skew results, as savvy designers have been known to design their hardware to specifically run the benchmarking utilities with high efficiency.

    A lot of WP users in the past defended lesser chips being used because WP didn't require as strong of chip to run smooth as Android. For some reason, that has turned into becoming okay with not having the best but still paying for it.
    A smartphone's cost isn't simply the sum total of the parts inside....especially one single part (even though the SoC is the core component of the entire phone). You have to factor in any extras, the amount of RAM, the amount of storage, the camera lens apparatus, the inclusion of things like Qi charging, and the overall build quality of the phone.
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    06-29-2015 11:29 AM
  14. jmshub's Avatar
    I'm just concerned with customers complaining if there is a heat issue with the 810. The tech geeks (like us) are the only ones interested in the latest and greatest. John Q. Public doesn't want to hold his new flagship with welding gloves. This release is far too critical to leave it to a chip that may have an adverse effect on the user experience.
    I agree. If there is indeed a problem with the 810, then yes, that is a very valid reason to avoid it and wait for the 820 series to come out. But if the 940 does include the SD810, then it doesn't immediately suggest failure. Some quick searching shows that Qualcomm has introduced a version 2.1 of the SD810, to alleviate overheating issues.

    Switching from a SD810 to the upcoming 820 isn't as easy as replacing a socketed processor in your laptop. There are a lot of things that need to be updated to accommodate the change. Only Microsoft can determine if the benefits of switching to 820 upon it's release will be more beneficial than releasing the new phones with the 810 series Snapdragon.
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    06-29-2015 11:41 AM
  15. mase123987's Avatar
    Yes, it is. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the next version of the chip will be faster and more efficient. That is why they iterate and make a new chip. But as soon as the 820 comes out that is 10% better, the 830 series will be in the pipeline, and it will be 10% better than the current best yet, with the 840 series chips will be behind that, etc. I stand behind what I said. There will always be the next best thing behind whatever is out there now, and I don't feel like my phone is obsolete because it "only" has a Snapdragon 800 in it.

    Smartphones, like computers in the late 90s, make some users blind to specs. The raw numbers don't tell an accurate description of how fast and efficient a device will be in real world use, and even benchmarks skew results, as savvy designers have been known to design their hardware to specifically run the benchmarking utilities with high efficiency.



    A smartphone's cost isn't simply the sum total of the parts inside....especially one single part (even though the SoC is the core component of the entire phone). You have to factor in any extras, the amount of RAM, the amount of storage, the camera lens apparatus, the inclusion of things like Qi charging, and the overall build quality of the phone.
    Obviously parts alone aren't the only cost in a phone. That said, MS is going to charge flagship price no matter what soc they put in that phone so why not push for the latest.

    Also, there is a difference between a chip coming out 6 months from a phone's release and about the same time. Use the newest chip that is out around that time.
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    06-29-2015 11:43 AM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Some quick searching shows that Qualcomm has introduced a version 2.1 of the SD810, to alleviate overheating issues.
    If that's the case then I'm satisfied. I'd just hate to see an iffy CPU rain on Microsoft's parade.
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    06-29-2015 12:48 PM
  17. pjm1891's Avatar
    I agree. If there is indeed a problem with the 810, then yes, that is a very valid reason to avoid it and wait for the 820 series to come out. But if the 940 does include the SD810, then it doesn't immediately suggest failure. Some quick searching shows that Qualcomm has introduced a version 2.1 of the SD810, to alleviate overheating issues.

    Switching from a SD810 to the upcoming 820 isn't as easy as replacing a socketed processor in your laptop. There are a lot of things that need to be updated to accommodate the change. Only Microsoft can determine if the benefits of switching to 820 upon it's release will be more beneficial than releasing the new phones with the 810 series Snapdragon.
    Xperia Z3+/Z4 has the 2.1 version of snapdragon 810 and it still gets hot. So hot that Japanese retailers have posted warning signs in stores next to the devices.
    OnePlus is also releasing their next flagship with the 2.1 and they claim to have sorted the heat issues, but their version is underclocked.
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    06-29-2015 12:57 PM
  18. senrabwh's Avatar
    PhoneArena just did a test that includes the SD810 V1 AND the SD810 V2.1 in comparison to the Samsung Chip, Apple Chip, and Intel Atom... Long story short, both versions of the SD 810 heated up and throttled the worst in tests..... And the news gets worse... It is confirmed that the 810 IS in the 940XL...... Annnnnnd DOA, RIP 940....
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    06-29-2015 03:49 PM
  19. senrabwh's Avatar
    The 820 is about to be released! Read up;
    06-29-2015 03:57 PM
  20. jmshub's Avatar
    The 940 doesn't technically exist yet, Microsoft has yet to officially announce it, so we don't know for sure what processor it contains.
    06-29-2015 10:37 PM
  21. Jas00555's Avatar
    The 820 is about to be released! Read up;
    Where do you see that it's about to be released? All I could find is that it's been benchmarked, which means almost nothing.

    Snapdragon 820 benchmarked, close to Exynos 7420 performance - GSMArena.com news

    The Lumia 940 was just found in benchmarks, and that's confirmed to be months away. It's entirely possible that these two could be released months away from each other.

    Frankly, I would like to be surprised and see the SD 820 in the Lumia 940, but I won't be surprised if it's not.
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    06-29-2015 11:10 PM
  22. ttsoldier's Avatar
    So... Do you guys think Microsoft has not built these phones as yet? Do you think they will wait till September/October to start the manufacturing process?

    I don't know how long it takes Microsoft to create one phone. Far less that one phone x millions to supply the market. If they can do it quickly, hopefully they can wait for the 820/810 2.1 or whatever the case it.

    but something tells me that these phones have already been designed and manufactured and simply waiting for an OS....

    (I HOPE IM WRONG)
    06-30-2015 02:56 AM
  23. pjm1891's Avatar
    IF the 940 comes with a 810 it could be dead in the water. The tech press would kill it before it's even on the shelves. Microsoft really has to knock this one out of the park, it's the only way to get more people in to their ecosystem.
    psudotechzealot likes this.
    06-30-2015 05:51 AM
  24. Marko Marjanovic's Avatar
    New mcrsf ,,flagship" is already finished. Like guy before said, what do you think, they will wait month or two and then start make it them? Really, that's not how it works. If you anonounce somethink that's mean you got it, just being ,,teatral" or ,,polish" things around. People wait-people get excited-people buy-??-profit. That is how real busines is done.
    That aside, it doesen't matter what cpu they will use, because they already used present best.
    It will get overheated, it will have problems..but guess what, even 1520 and 930 chips heat like crazy and people still using them (myself too).
    It doesen't really matter, mcsft make money from low-mid range phones, high end is just for entusiactic, ego driven and $$$full people.
    Marketing.
    06-30-2015 06:15 AM
  25. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Here is some food for thought, if the 810 v2.1 is in the 940 and doesn't over heat or throttle under-load wouldn't that be counted as good publicity?

    We are just under a month away from OEM release of Windows 10 so there is bound to be more phone news as the weeks count down. Best wait and see as opposed to fretting over click bait article unless there is a lot of credibility behind it with solid sources.
    jmshub and RumoredNow like this.
    06-30-2015 06:29 AM
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