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  1. arjunan's Avatar
    here's my theory. Nokia pioneered Polycarbonate design 2 years ago.
    Then a lot of Chinese OEMs started following this trend with their own small additions. Their design was mostly uninspired except for some small touches.
    Now instead of improving upon their own design, Microsoft is seeing those designs as the natural evolution of their Polycarbonate design and making a Frankenstein phone out of these designs.

    it's a theory.
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    08-30-2015 11:58 PM
  2. Byrese's Avatar
    I have a better theory. Phones just don't pop out of know where. It takes years to produce a phone from design to market. So I think MS is simply just finishing up some old Nokia designs that were already in the works, although with some tweaks. The next wave, perhaps including a Surface Phone, will be MS true phone vision.

    Just a theory 😉
    08-31-2015 12:13 AM
  3. ven07's Avatar
    My theory is the phone have no "wow" effect :p but if they can deliver on functionality then we might not get bashed in the media as much :/

    Sort of a Jekyll & Hyde thing lol
    Jorge Holguin likes this.
    08-31-2015 12:14 AM
  4. ven07's Avatar
    If MS disagreed with the design, they could've scrapped it, but all of the "big guys" at MS seemed to love the current design so much that they believed it would be loved by us as well.. Yes I agree, building a working and functional concept and model can take up a lot of time, but MS could've given it a shot if they didn't like whatever was already in the pipeline (i doubt that these are Nokia concepts, but I have no inside info, so I will at least consider the possibility that it might be sth Nokia had in the planning)
    08-31-2015 12:20 AM
  5. Joe Acerbic's Avatar
    I have the best "theory": we haven't seen any designs, only renders not from Microsoft and a few fuzzy leaked photos, so we don't know what the phones will look like.
    08-31-2015 05:55 AM
  6. stevemind's Avatar
    My theory is having a metal phone with glass looks amazing , but completely stupid in real life. The amount of hassle when it smashes is funny. I love the poloycarb thing. More durable.
    08-31-2015 05:59 AM
  7. Slovenix's Avatar
    My theory, I was waiting for a flagship that would rather be made out of Polycarbonate than Aluminium and glass that dents and breaks like chips. And to have a bigger removable battery and SD card. So yeah!
    08-31-2015 06:05 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    If MS disagreed with the design, they could've scrapped it, but all of the "big guys" at MS seemed to love the current design so much that they believed it would be loved by us as well.. Yes I agree, building a working and functional concept and model can take up a lot of time, but MS could've given it a shot if they didn't like whatever was already in the pipeline (i doubt that these are Nokia concepts, but I have no inside info, so I will at least consider the possibility that it might be sth Nokia had in the planning)
    I think comments that people are making makes it hard for Microsoft to win. If they were to scrap this design, Windows Phone/Mobile fans would start to complain that there hasn't been a flagship in 3 years, like how they were doing before the idea of these were announced. It makes sense to me to just release the rest of the Nokia portfolio (with adjustments) so that they can have a fresh slate next year with mobile designs.
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    08-31-2015 11:49 AM
  9. theefman's Avatar
    I have a better theory. Phones just don't pop out of know where. It takes years to produce a phone from design to market. So I think MS is simply just finishing up some old Nokia designs that were already in the works, although with some tweaks. The next wave, perhaps including a Surface Phone, will be MS true phone vision.

    Just a theory
    Find it hard to believe these bland bricks are Nokia designed. With their previous WP ranges their flagships have always been distinctive from the lower range models, ie the 920 was different from all lower models, the 1020 & 925 different again, the 1520 & 1320 launched together but were different, and the Icon/930/830 were different again to the lower end models. Microsoft takes over and suddenly the new flagship devices are perfect clones of the low end 640 and 640XL in their design and differ only in the camera humps at the back. Reeks of Microsoft's conservatism rather than the energy Nokia brought to WP for years.
    08-31-2015 12:03 PM
  10. ven07's Avatar
    I think comments that people are making makes it hard for Microsoft to win. If they were to scrap this design, Windows Phone/Mobile fans would start to complain that there hasn't been a flagship in 3 years, like how they were doing before the idea of these were announced. It makes sense to me to just release the rest of the Nokia portfolio (with adjustments) so that they can have a fresh slate next year with mobile designs.
    Yes I get it :) but what I meant was that MS decided not to do flagships until w10m came out officially awhile back and im presuming that at that point they already had the concepts, because they kept reassuring us that those phones were coming and they were excited about them, so they had the time to change it up a bit, but they didn't. Which is why I think that these concepts are sth MS cooked up
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    08-31-2015 02:38 PM
  11. millercrew5's Avatar
    What does it matter we are gonna put a case on it anyway! As long as the screen is awesome and the camera is great who cares about the back of the darn thing! Just my thoughts


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    Al4video, Vishca, boomerz and 1 others like this.
    08-31-2015 04:23 PM
  12. ArtificiallyYours's Avatar
    There needs to be a theory thread on why you think it sucks?
    08-31-2015 04:44 PM
  13. Skamath's Avatar
    My theory is very simple the phone needs to deliver without lag or resuming issues. Nobody cares about the "no body" majority have a case on it anyway. I would wait for 950xl (if that is its real name) user reviews on the performance and if it has the lag and nag and resume screens I will stick to 1020 which already has it anyway :D
    Al4video and WesleyBPeres like this.
    08-31-2015 04:48 PM
  14. mmcpher's Avatar
    Flagship or not, there are design constraints imposed by the limitations inherent in the fact that since the touchscreen became standard, eyeballs, hands and fingers haven't evolved. So there is all this carrying on on the extreme design periphery about rounded vs. squared corners, materials (which mostly will be encased in a case anyway). Blackberry, with its Passport and with the pending release of the rumored "Venice" (slider), its all rectangular slabs of similar size, shape and weight. I confess to getting a kick on those vanity/luxury special releases of flagship phones, either gold-plated or evocative of some famous brand. But its a frivolous bit of conspicuous consumption rather than some real value.

    Specs and build quality count a lot more for me. I guess it would be cool if we could have mini-Surfaces, but I'd still protect mine behind a case. And it is premature at best to say the design is lousy, whether you kinda sorta qualify it or not, before you have a chance to see and feel the phone in person.
    TycoonJ, Al4video and Vishca like this.
    08-31-2015 05:04 PM
  15. Joshwin's Avatar
    i like the specs.but not definitely the design at all.non of the MS lumia has nokias stunning boxy look and metal frame.Lumia 950 could have been a great design in 2006. but now its almost 2016. with other flashy flagships on rival platforms l950 will not stand a chance.to be on the spotlight in mobile market MS should at least make its flagships look stunning and entice everyone to buy one just for its look if not for the OS. look does matter.the rendered phone has too old design. reminds me of l320.

    There is nothing exciting in this design for a long waited phone. why doesn't MS get users feedback for the desing of the phone as well(same as insider programme for software)? after all it is made purely for us customers only. its our phone and we are paying for it. I think MS should take customers taste into consideration while designing a phone.
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    08-31-2015 05:30 PM
  16. colinkiama's Avatar
    here's my theory. Nokia pioneered Polycarbonate design 2 years ago.
    Then a lot of Chinese OEMs started following this trend with their own small additions. Their design was mostly uninspired except for some small touches.
    Now instead of improving upon their own design, Microsoft is seeing those designs as the natural evolution of their Polycarbonate design and making a Frankenstein phone out of these designs.

    it's a theory.
    Microsoft didn't make the designs, Nokia did. Please you guys need to stop this hate on Microsoft. Whether Microsoft bought Nokia or not, these were the flagships we were going to get.
    ven07, libra89, hagjohn and 4 others like this.
    08-31-2015 05:42 PM
  17. taymur's Avatar
    I have the best "theory": we haven't seen any designs, only renders not from Microsoft and a few fuzzy leaked photos, so we don't know what the phones will look like.
    I would suggest to wake up from your dream, and realize that yes these are real, and confirmed by a good number of credible sources.
    ven07 and colinkiama like this.
    08-31-2015 06:03 PM
  18. jabtano's Avatar
    Nope you guys are all wrong, this is why. for two years Microsoft has done the low end. meanwhile other people ******** that No high end is hurting them. Ok want high end here toss in some pretty good specs slap it into a plastic body there yea go flagship specs= flagship phone. will it sell yea to the die-hearts it wont be a big sell and Microsoft can go back to the low end market saying hey, we gave you flagship it didn't work.
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    08-31-2015 06:05 PM
  19. ven07's Avatar
    Nope you guys are all wrong, this is why. for two years Microsoft has done the low end. meanwhile other people ******** that No high end is hurting them. Ok want high end here toss in some pretty good specs slap it into a plastic body there yea go flagship specs= flagship phone. will it sell yea to the die-hearts it wont be a big sell and Microsoft can go back to the low end market saying hey, we gave you flagship it didn't work.
    This is very "optimistic" view
    08-31-2015 06:30 PM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    here's my theory. Nokia pioneered Polycarbonate design 2 years ago.
    Then a lot of Chinese OEMs started following this trend with their own small additions. Their design was mostly uninspired except for some small touches.
    Now instead of improving upon their own design, Microsoft is seeing those designs as the natural evolution of their Polycarbonate design and making a Frankenstein phone out of these designs.

    it's a theory.
    Here's a render of the surface phone.

    surface_phone_by_rvanhauwere-d563253.jpg
    Dreaming Silver likes this.
    08-31-2015 06:36 PM
  21. dakken's Avatar
    Thats exactly what it is,,, a RENDER.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    08-31-2015 06:47 PM
  22. Iain_S's Avatar
    here's my theory. Nokia pioneered Polycarbonate design 2 years ago.
    Then a lot of Chinese OEMs started following this trend with their own small additions. Their design was mostly uninspired except for some small touches.
    Now instead of improving upon their own design, Microsoft is seeing those designs as the natural evolution of their Polycarbonate design and making a Frankenstein phone out of these designs.

    it's a theory.
    you should wait and hold onto your opinion till you actually have the device in your hand... renders for the most part always suck.
    08-31-2015 08:35 PM
  23. marratj's Avatar
    Thats exactly what it is,,, a RENDER.
    And not even a good or recent one I'd assume...

    All the live tiles are still from 8.1, not the W10 versions, you can see this especially for the maps & mail apps, also store & calendar.
    Vishca likes this.
    09-01-2015 02:33 AM
  24. windowshopper23's Avatar
    I posted this in another thread, but I suppose this could be my theory on why the design of the 950 fails to impress.

    Microsoft is just stuck in a rut. They don't seem to be innovating in the mobile space in the same fashion Nokia did. At least in terms of designs, and wanting to push themselves to improve with each iteration. Not just with design of the device but the design of the camera and tech inside the device. Get this. Nokia released it's thinnest phone with it's latest camera tech back in 2013 with the 930 and 1520 respectively. The 1520 being the thinnest phone to hold the 20mp camera to date so far at 8.7mm thin. That was at least 2 pushing 3 years ago. Nowadays we have Sony in the mobile space also pushing out 20mp camera sensors in a much smaller package with devices like the Z3 sitting at a thinness of 6.9mm. That's an insane difference. You have to wonder what Microsoft is doing with remaining pieces of Nokia.There seems to be no innovation happening whatsoever. And you also have to wonder what Nokia would be pushing out in this day and age if they hadn't been bought out and shut down essentially. Microsoft appears to have settled. Continuing to try and use the best Nokia had to offer 3 years ago. Well Microsoft, I've got news for you, companies have caught up and then some. Companies nowadays are focusing on design, quality materials, camera quality, and affordability. The trends nowadays focusing on making the bezel on the device as small as possible, having a quality top notch camera that gives users access to manual settings (something Nokia started with their own camera app on WP) and if you want to reach a larger audience (smaller campanies) or have the opportunity to you don't skimp on design or materials or specs and price the design around $400 or below. The 950 renders we're seeing here, and with EVleaks I have confidence this is the final design, it seems like Microsoft is stuck in the past. Yes, the specs are there. It's got plenty of power. But it's design and overall dimensions just don't make sense for a 2015 phone. You toss in a pointless Iris scanner, you have these large bezels for a device that has software buttons and a flat screen at the edges. And you still are stuck on having a device that is 9mm thick with a 20mp sensor. Sony shows us that shouldn't be the case for a phone in 2015. Looking at the renders one more time I'm also bothered by the fact that this device will be a very top heavy device. They've placed everything at the top of the device, including the speaker. Which again show's this device wasn't designed with ergonomics in mind. This is another long post from me, but I was always a fan of Nokia, and their ability to innovate in the mobile space. They never got enough credit for the effort and care they put into the devices they put out. I would have hoped Microsoft had embraced that but it looks like they simply just took some scrapped designs here and there, kept the camera tech from 3 years ago and made the 950 that has been leaked and will be released here in 2015. A real shame. Nokia would have done better. I have no doubt they would have eventually gone to something along these lines. Elegant, beautiful design, and innovative camera tech.

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    It's funny, the 950 and the decline in design with these latest WP devices (640 and 640 XL, 630) really mirrors the decline of the design and look of the Windows Phone UI. The Metro/Modern UI is all but gone, which is apparent in most of WM10 everywhere except the homescreen. Just a shame really, I've been a WP fan since day one. I can't help but feel WP8.1 will be the last iteration of the OS i'll really enjoy and appreciate.
    Joshwin and SPS828 like this.
    09-01-2015 03:21 AM
  25. Geo Hutchings's Avatar
    I posted this in another thread, but I suppose this could be my theory on why the design of the 950 fails to impress.
    All I am going to say is, Microsoft still has not show the phone, everything is just leaks and concept render, not a real picture of the phone, the renders are done badly, Microsoft does not do bad renders
    dakken likes this.
    09-01-2015 06:16 AM
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