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  1. illy khan's Avatar
    These designs are just Nokia designs. Original Microsoft designs won't come until next year.
    Does it matter who made the designs? If Nokia made it, that was years ago and should Microsoft to adapt it to the current consumer taste and demands.
    Anyway, the design is big fail to me as a look and materials. And as I said before: the flagship must have design, specs and functionalaty to became a factor on the market. That was my idea when i post the treath: THE DESIGN, not the specs or continuum or live tiles or iris scanner.
    I hope future comment to be only for the design.
    Thank you.
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    09-30-2015 03:18 AM
  2. Blake Quartly's Avatar
    This is not a flagship. As the devices that you own - 830 and 520. It is suitable for you, but me and i think not just me, WE expected a flagship. Spacs are not flagship, design is not flagship.
    Thats why we talk about - not whining. I am not satisfied with mid range looks and more of the Chinese producers made better ones. Even thier mid range devices are with SD808.
    If you do not like our opinion, don't read it. We got it - you like it.
    But most of us dont.
    "Lumia 950/950XL flagships design - like it or not?" In other words: "Let me offer a two sided discussion, BUT if you disagree with me then I'll attack you and tell you to go away" 👍😀
    09-30-2015 04:00 AM
  3. illy khan's Avatar
    "Lumia 950/950XL flagships design - like it or not?" In other words: "Let me offer a two sided discussion, BUT if you disagree with me then I'll attack you and tell you to go away"
    You have a piont.
    I do not want to attack or offense anybody, but you're right.
    I swiped my disappointment to other...
    I'm sorry if someone is feeling offended by my posts.
    Hope someone in Microsft to read such discussins and to take decision to satisfy us, people who like WOW design and functionality
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    09-30-2015 06:19 AM
  4. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    From another source:


    Stating that it's the same chip used in the M9 just with a heatsink.

    So, the XL just has a larger heat sink to help the heat dissipate into the phone more efficiently? Sounds like I'm still leaning toward the 808 chip. Either way, I'm digging the phones and can't wait for the MS Conf.
    Eh, guess I was mistaken about the One M9. Not a big deal.
    09-30-2015 07:26 AM
  5. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    You're welcome to your opinions but I have three operating systems running on three devices that I use regularly and I've used all the major operating systems in-depth over the years. I'm running Android, Windows Phone 8.1, and Windows 10 Mobile. From where I stand, and from what I've learned and seen, Windows 10 Mobile has a lot of potential. It can be an amazing operating system, and it's well on its way. In many ways it's far superior to Windows Phone 8.1. It just needs time. It's not easy building an operating system from scratch. It's not easy for a huge software corporation that is known and is important practically anywhere in the world to fail so miserably with an operating system and to say "Okay let's give it one more shot anyways." And they're getting there. Windows 10 is already arguably the best iteration of Windows ever and Microsoft is truly making an effort to listen more to the Insiders. No, not everything the Insiders want is there, that only happens in software-flavored fairy tales. But we have seen major improvements, and we continue to see those improvements. No, Windows 10 Mobile isn't perfect but it's a joy to use and it's quickly surpassing Windows Phone 8.1 and in some of the important ways it already has.
    And THAT is the wow factor of Windows 10 Mobile. Because no one has ever built an operating system like Microsoft is. No company has ever thrown away their insufferable pride and said "Right, we seriously screwed this up. Time to start over, except we'll see what our loyal customers want instead." We, the Windows Insiders, watched Windows 10 Mobile get built nearly from scratch, and we're still watching it get built. It is the first time an operating system has been developed like this, the first time a feedback system has been integrated into the operating system like this, the first time updates have been handled like this, the first time an operating system has been looked at like this. Windows 10 Mobile ISN'T Android because Android does not work like Windows 10 Mobile does. Google can't, their operating system is too fragmented, too broad. Apple can't, they're too prideful, they're too strict. Want to know the wow factor? Windows 10 Mobile is the wow factor.
    And yeah, Continuum is pretty darn cool. It's nothing super amazing and innovative but come on, wake up. Neither Android or iOS have a wow factor either besides support. iOS has 3D Touch, but what's so special about that? More hidden menus? Constantly accidentally doing the wrong thing because what was once one tap has become three different taps?
    With fingerprint scanners you have to touch your phone. I don't even have to do that with an iris scanner. You know what? That's pretty cool. Tons of Android and Apple devices have fingerprint scanners. Well how many phones have an iris scanner? I'm pretty sure there's one or two, but neither one of them are widely available. Well, that's pretty cool.
    Oh, I also have the legendary Nokia camera credentials. That's pretty awesome.
    Oh, I have a removable battery and microSD card support. That's unique nowadays!
    Oh, I have Live Tiles. And those make Android look like tacking pictures to a cardboard wall. What would I do without my Live Tiles?

    Oh and apps. Well, what do I want that I don't have? Nothing. I have everything I want, and I've seen evidence of universal applications being added every day. No one can deny that the store is growing. Support is growing, albeit slowly. And that's pretty impressive, considering Apple sells millions and millions and millions of devices and Microsoft has 3% market share. No, it's not thousands of applications upon release, but hey, it's good enough for me.
    So, maybe you don't have a wow factor. But I have plenty. Yes, I love Android (can't stand iOS) but I'm not going to abandon Windows 10 Mobile because it's not perfect. A person who's unwilling to compromise is a fool.
    I am not saying that you are wrong. I've tried WP7 and left because of the poor features and lack of apps. Got on board wp8 and 8.1, and like it in some way until I saw apps not being updated in months, lack of important apps for me. Got myself a Surface 2 tablet, RT version which was a joy to use, only to find out that MS did it again, ditching the OS, leaving me with a nice tablet, and a big hole in my pocket :|. Tried windows 10 on a new 2in1 Lenovo, officially, not TP and got fed up with it. So many things went wrong that I could not stand using it anymore. Tried Windows 10 on my 1520 since 10166 build, only to find out that in the last 512, it was still not working ok, tiles losing Live functionality, 3rdparty photo apps not being able to open photos from my phone, Windows Camera app a total trash app compared to Lumia Camera 5, SMS filter not working correctly, calls not being received etc. I have never said that windows 10 does not have potential to become something cool, but until now MS has not convinced me about this. I cannot simply go and spend another 600-700 EUR on a new WP that will come with an OS that still has issues, big issues, a beta build, because let's face it, windows 10 mobile won't be ready soon. And apps, as much as I've tried, simply I cannot accept using apps that devs forgot about them for months, lacking features, low level design and worse functionality than ios or android versions. Also games, most of the greatest games are on the other platforms: RR3, NFS MW, NFS No Limits, Infinity Blade, Taichi Panda etc. So you cannot say I have not tried to be in the MS ecosystem at all. But I've compared the experience with the experience I've had on Apple's ecosystem: meaning hardware and software: tablet+phone+TV streaming+software and apps, and I cannot say that MS has convinced me to stay. Sorry; Facetime works better than skype, streaming with appletv is flawless, appstore is nothing to be compared, IOS more mature, customer service way better than MS's. 90% of my friends have iphones and ipads, more than half of my work colleagures use iphones. For the rest with android we use Facebook's Messenger audio video calling which on WP is missing, and works as great as facetime. Everything I do works on my idevices, compared to the time when I was using Microsoft/Lumia devices.
    In a short way: I've got framed with WP7.5 not being able to update to 8, leaving me with a 4 month old Lumia 900 no one wanted to buy; I've got framed with Surface 2 RT when MS decided to kill this too after many have bought it including me. Then the terrible experience with windows 10 that I've had, so I have all the right to ditch MS myself.
    09-30-2015 07:26 AM
  6. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    I am not saying that you are wrong. I've tried WP7 and left because of the poor features and lack of apps. Got on board wp8 and 8.1, and like it in some way until I saw apps not being updated in months, lack of important apps for me. Got myself a Surface 2 tablet, RT version which was a joy to use, only to find out that MS did it again, ditching the OS, leaving me with a nice tablet, and a big hole in my pocket :|. Tried windows 10 on a new 2in1 Lenovo, officially, not TP and got fed up with it. So many things went wrong that I could not stand using it anymore. Tried Windows 10 on my 1520 since 10166 build, only to find out that in the last 512, it was still not working ok, tiles losing Live functionality, 3rdparty photo apps not being able to open photos from my phone, Windows Camera app a total trash app compared to Lumia Camera 5, SMS filter not working correctly, calls not being received etc. I have never said that windows 10 does not have potential to become something cool, but until now MS has not convinced me about this. I cannot simply go and spend another 600-700 EUR on a new WP that will come with an OS that still has issues, big issues, a beta build, because let's face it, windows 10 mobile won't be ready soon. And apps, as much as I've tried, simply I cannot accept using apps that devs forgot about them for months, lacking features, low level design and worse functionality than ios or android versions. Also games, most of the greatest games are on the other platforms: RR3, NFS MW, NFS No Limits, Infinity Blade, Taichi Panda etc. So you cannot say I have not tried to be in the MS ecosystem at all. But I've compared the experience with the experience I've had on Apple's ecosystem: meaning hardware and software: tablet+phone+TV streaming+software and apps, and I cannot say that MS has convinced me to stay. Sorry; Facetime works better than skype, streaming with appletv is flawless, appstore is nothing to be compared, IOS more mature, customer service way better than MS's. 90% of my friends have iphones and ipads, more than half of my work colleagures use iphones. For the rest with android we use Facebook's Messenger audio video calling which on WP is missing, and works as great as facetime. Everything I do works on my idevices, compared to the time when I was using Microsoft/Lumia devices.
    In a short way: I've got framed with WP7.5 not being able to update to 8, leaving me with a 4 month old Lumia 900 no one wanted to buy; I've got framed with Surface 2 RT when MS decided to kill this too after many have bought it including me. Then the terrible experience with windows 10 that I've had, so I have all the right to ditch MS myself.
    Of course you have the right to ditch Microsoft. So buy an iPhone instead, no one here will judge you (well...they might). Have a lovely day.
    09-30-2015 07:30 AM
  7. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    Yeap, they might :) I have already switched from WP, but because I was part of WP community for a long time I am furious that, once I used to be proud of my Lumia phone, ever since 920, then 930, 1020 and 1520 because of many things: 8.1 was working flawlessly, great photos, apps started to come in, social integration was ok. But then things started to go wrong, all ending with Win10. I so remember the time when I was the photo guy because my Lumias were taking the best pictures ever, especially the 1020, in every ocasion. For God sake, on my cousin's wedding this summer I made the photographer look like fool with the photos I've taken with my 1020.I did not matter that there was natural or artificial light, disco light or not, the 1020 was handling flawlessly every time. When you enjoy using something, then after to see that your experience is being thrown out the window because of some stupid cost cutting policies that result in good engineers being ditched from the company, your anger gets out too...
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    09-30-2015 07:40 AM
  8. Siguardius's Avatar
    Camera button and "physical" buttons at the bottom of the screen are a must. What I don't like is a camera sticking out. It makes phone profile ugly.

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    Also unibody phones seem more sturdy. My 925 seems be out of titanium in comparison to 735.
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    09-30-2015 07:44 AM
  9. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Camera button and "physical" buttons at the bottom of the screen are a must. What I don't like is a camera sticking out. It makes phone profile ugly.

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    Also unibody phones seem more sturdy. My 925 seems be out of titanium in comparison to 735.
    I dropped my 830 a few times before I got my wallet case. One time I was at a patio face down on table that was wobbly and it slid down into rocks and gravel flat on the screen. There is one small scratch near the navigation button only noticeable at a perfect angle. One time it bounced around and the metal chipped away so easily in some spots. And man those areas just look bad. I could imagine someone dropping it a lot it would look so bad. Whenever it fell on the polycarbonate back side it has survived everything. That panel is perfect as if it was new. The polycarbonate black back panel looks really nice and definitely is strong. Although the green one I have looks pretty bad. It's just so bright. The black one seems more matte too while the green one has a shine to it. It's way too bright for my liking. I feel like a construction worker trying to get the attention of cars hehe.
    09-30-2015 11:10 AM
  10. AgentDiaz's Avatar
    I think what some of the people that don't like the design are trying to do is get the ones that do like the design to understand is that there is nothing "premium" about this phone's design. Internals are up to date, at best. Yes, the 950/XL is different from all of the other phones on the market. The actual design of the phone is, unfortunately, bland. I don't know if I can hold out much longer. Hopefully a 3rd party phone manufacturer (I'm looking at you HTC) will come out of left field with some awesomeness.
    Last edited by AgentDiaz; 09-30-2015 at 02:36 PM.
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    09-30-2015 02:24 PM
  11. Lantean's Avatar
    I don't think the design is earth-shattering, but I don't find it a deal-breaker either.
    I come from a Nokia Lumia 925, so yes, I do value design quite a lot. But with this phone, I've also learned what it's like to touch and use an aluminium phone, and let me tell you - the moment you scratch that aluminium edge, or when it slips from your hand, you'll rue the day you gave up on a case, because it prevented you from looking at your shiny, beautiful phone. If you live in any European country besides the UK, then you KNOW how hard it is to find a good-looking case for a Lumia - if there isn't a first party one for your phone, then you're doomed. I went to both my home country and the one I'm living in now, and I couldn't find a single case for my 925 - not even the official one! And I visited official Nokia stores! So I odered online, but even then, they look terrible and the phone loses all its beauty with them on. But I depend on those terrible things to protect the already-scratched edges of the 925.
    And you'll want to use those things because, when you look at the specs on this thing, you know you'll be paying a pretty penny for them. Seriously, the specs look great.
    Basically, my point is, why would you want premium-looking-though-fragile materials, if you're gonna end up covering it in either a case or a dbrand style decal? I don't mind having something utilitarian - that feels good on the hand, makes me believe it can survive a fall (maybe even pays homage to the unbreakable status of the trusty 3310), and really kick *** when I need it to actually do something.
    So that's where I am right now - the design doesn't get me too excited either, but the specs are distracting to the point of giving me a *****. All and all, I'd still kill for a ZuneHD-inspired phone. Seriously, how hard can it be to build a phone in that chassis?
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    09-30-2015 03:07 PM
  12. pallentx's Avatar
    ... I've also learned what it's like to touch and use an aluminium phone, and let me tell you - the moment you scratch that aluminium edge, or when it slips from your hand, you'll rue the day you gave up on a case, because it prevented you from looking at your shiny, beautiful phone. ...
    Exactly. I don't get the obsession that it cant be "premium" if its not aluminum or some kind of metal. Metal phones don't hold up nearly as well as polycarbonate. Poly feels nice IMO and looks nice too. I'll take this design over the current S6 any day - though I must admit, the curved screen on the S6 edge is an impressive look.
    09-30-2015 04:35 PM
  13. peachy001's Avatar
    I love polycarbonate, and although metal looks good when new, it can soon starts to look naff. The Galaxy Edge devices look amazing. But in use, that screen starts to annoy.
    09-30-2015 06:25 PM
  14. DynaDog's Avatar
    I'm not going to live or die by the physical design. It looks okay, certainly good enough. The most important physical element is the screen and I expect that to be just fine. Happy to have AMOLED back.
    It had better be an effing rocket, though. I'm going to definitely handle one before I buy one, but mostly to check out the performance. Like Ricky Bobby, I want to go fast. Taking pictures, opening apps, browsing, OneNote, I expect the new phones to be supersonic. If they don't deliver on performance, I'm going to pass. I hope W10 mobile is ready to rock.
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    09-30-2015 06:32 PM
  15. neelagopi's Avatar
    I hope MS (or some third party) makes a nice and slim case for these phones:
    1. preferably with metal or vaprMag or any material compatible with wireless charging
    2. not too fat, but good enough to cover camera bump

    This will provide:
    1. Premium or enhanced look for the phones (for those who craves for one)
    2. Protects the phone (always can replace if it breaks)
    3. flat rear (to avoid bump)

    Probably a very good solution to solve problems/issues the most has with the looks of these phones!
    09-30-2015 06:39 PM
  16. Mark Richey's Avatar
    You are kidding, right? High end processors, Zeiss cameras, each with 3GB memory and 32GB with expandable. Decent REPLACEBLE batteries, Gorilla glass and ready for "Hello" right out of the box.

    If it is any help, there is a lot of yelping and hand-wringing about the new Nexus phones as well. The new Lumia's look thin and have Qi charging WITHOUT a cover.

    We are our own worst enemies sometimes. let's give a wait at least until Tuesday before we have our collective coronaries.

    I will set Cortana to time until the first "I am finished with Windows phone...," "MS fail..." posts. There is so much coming up - pen use, "Windows Hello," Continuum, Holo Lens news, a new Band, Surface Pro 4 possible in 2 form factors. 3 Lumia phones including 2 that do rival at least the innards or many of the latest offerings from other OEM and Windows 10 Mobile on the way.

    What the "H" would be a "breakthrough" device exactly? An iPhone clone?
    09-30-2015 07:58 PM
  17. boltman2013's Avatar
    Won't know until I try one out in person. For instance I was interested in the 640/640XL and went into ATT to try them...did not like the size of the XL and did not like the screen dpi on the 640 compared to my 635.

    My judgement was solidified comparing side by side my current Lumia against the new ones.

    I will do the same with any new Lumia, common sense. Until then I am satisfied/delighted most of the time with my $40 635 running Windows 10

    My initial thoughts are the 950/950XL look fine.... like to see them in action though.
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    09-30-2015 08:12 PM
  18. oranje's Avatar
    Haven't liked the design from the first leaks, no differentiation from the rest of the phones on the market nowadays, all seem to be looking the same... Positioning of the lock button between the volume buttons is strange, don't like it at first impression but guess I'd need to use it to know if it's really more intuitive. Hopefully the look of the phone when handled in real life will look better than the site renders, fingers crossed!
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    10-01-2015 03:16 AM
  19. The Chapman's Avatar
    I was hoping for a surface phone. The dark VaporMg material used on the first RT tablets would have been amazing! Even the silver from the Surface 3. But until I see one in person, I will hold back final judgment.
    10-01-2015 03:29 AM
  20. Dusan Randj's Avatar
    Haven't liked the design from the first leaks, no differentiation from the rest of the phones on the market nowadays, all seem to be looking the same... Positioning of the lock button between the volume buttons is strange, don't like it at first impression but guess I'd need to use it to know if it's really more intuitive. Hopefully the look of the phone when handled in real life will look better than the site renders, fingers crossed!
    Button placement is really minor thing once you get to use it. I've had LG Spirit few monhs ago with same button order, volup,power,voldown, and all that on the back. After a day or two you are used to ut and not a problem anymore,
    10-01-2015 03:45 AM
  21. PrinceM's Avatar
    The 950 and 950 XL looks very good. They are the reason I most likely will finally make the move from Android to Windows. I think the previous phones looked like toys with it's round shapes and Duplo-colours. Now they look like proper business-phones I could bring to work.

    And yes, real phones are made of some sort of plastic. Glass and metal are useless.
    10-01-2015 06:04 AM
  22. abel46's Avatar
    As you may know, Apple is the king og design (so they say anyway). Microsoft is the king of functionality. Since it not released yet, it will only be guesswork, but my guess is that you can look up the phone with just looking at it. And you can put in the biggest memory card that you can find, while other phones as limited to 128GB, or may not be able to use memory card at all. It will probably take better pictures that most other phones (Except Lumia 1020).
    I don't think this will be Microsoft flagship. And I hope they will be priced less than other premium phones.
    On the other hand, we don't know if this will be the only phones Microsoft will show next week.
    10-01-2015 07:54 AM
  23. Justin Engel's Avatar
    Personally I don't understand phone design anyway. Say Apple has a good design, sure maybe they do, but what does it matter? Everyone just buys cases that cover the phone anyway. The only phones that I have seen being used without a cover are HTC phones that have a metal back. Whenever I look at someones phone they have a massive Otter Box case or something bulky that protects their phone.
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    10-01-2015 08:29 AM
  24. Krystianpants's Avatar
    So cool apparently MS has been working with Qualcomm to make their Adreno GPU's DirectX12 compatible.

    Good news, Windows Phone gamers! According to Qualcomm, the upcoming iteration of DirectX will provide even better gaming experience on Windows Phone devices. DirectX 12, which was officially revealed the other day, will be released simultaneously for Windows and the Windows Phone mobile platform sometime in late 2015.

    Microsoft and Qualcomm have apparently worked together for a long time in order to ensure that the Adreno GPU in the chipsets fully supports the DirectX API collection. DirectX 12 greatly increases the looks of the games you play on WP devices by boosting performance –
    10-01-2015 08:37 AM
  25. Richpl's Avatar
    The things I liked most about my lumia 930 is the camera and quality video recording mics. These do not seem to have been greatly improved over the old 930. In addition to this the look an feel of the device lives up to a flagship one. The early leaks of the 950 show a lack of character and a lack of metal... too much plastic.
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    10-01-2015 09:42 AM
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