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  1. pankaj981's Avatar
    Mid tier or not, if they even release a phone around $300 that can run x86 programs (my Intel Compute Stick reference) along with the mobile counterpart...it will get enough momentum for OEMs to start experimenting. 2GB RAM, 720P screen (cost savings), LTE w/ 16GB onboard storage (WIM Boot + mobile) plus expanded storage running on an x86 chipset does look achievable. Kinda best of both platforms (mobile/PC) for a cheaper price.
    10-20-2015 06:08 PM
  2. grahamf's Avatar
    Mid tier or not, if they even release a phone around $300 that can run x86 programs (my Intel Compute Stick reference) along with the mobile counterpart...it will get enough momentum for OEMs to start experimenting. 2GB RAM, 720P screen (cost savings), LTE w/ 16GB onboard storage (WIM Boot + mobile) plus expanded storage running on an x86 chipset does look achievable. Kinda best of both platforms (mobile/PC) for a cheaper price.
    I'm not so certain that's possible at that price point. It will still effectively be running the full version of windows, with the full version of all applications. Users may be installing Norton, Free Downloader Pro, BitTorrent, and all sorts of applications that eat up CPU resources and don't have a proper efficiency mode. The Intel phones you are thinking of have only been made available with ported Linux and Android distros with erratic application support. A $300 Windows 10 Intel phone would have too many compromises to make it useful, especially when it will be expected to have Continuum. To be honest it's like the "Hololens will cost $600" mantra all over again.

    Now to think of it, an Intel mid-range phone is pretty pointless if not outright stupid. An Intel Windows phone WILL be expected to run full Windows applications, ranging from Office to Photoshop to Crysis. That kind of necessitates it to be considered a top-of-the line phone, not a half-hearted experiment priced cheap so that people check it out. What logical reason is there to make an Intel phone that outperforms the 950 but then make whatever sacrifices needed to bring it down to $300? The Surface line is intended to be commonly sold, not an experiment. Spend the extra $200-300 needed for higher quality components and a decent battery.

    I expect that if it does happen, The Intel Surface Phone will not launch for one or two years and will be considered a flagship much more powerful than the Lumia 950, and will have a year or two of Windows 10 updates and optimizations to make it feasible.
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    10-20-2015 07:54 PM
  3. Matatu's Avatar
    Yeah, i'd have to agree. If a new phone came out in the first quarter of 2016, it'd probably be mid-end. The 830 will be about due for a new iteration by then. The 550 and 950 will be three months old in February, way too soon for a high end device.
    As far as i know, microsoft will not close the gap (soon) between the 6xx and 9xx. They are worried about cannibalization of 9xx , if there is a midrange device with close specs. First refresh next year will be the 6xx and 4xx.

    It may be placed even higher on the price scale all things considered.

    (and funnily enough, the mask being worn in my avatar is named the "Matatu")
    Even higher price point would be suicide. The interest on the 950 is low, there are only a few carriers worldwide, who ordered in big numbers. Most of the others are just ordering as much, as they think they can sell to geeks and enthusiasts.

    Matatus are taxi busses in africa ;)
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    10-21-2015 12:08 PM
  4. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Source? That's pretty different from the May timeframe that Rubino has given.
    A guy I know who works for Microsoft. He's told me about the Surface phone coming in January on at least a couple occasions. He was dead on about the new Surface being waaaay more than anyone was expecting at the Oct 6th event. I think he knows a little something.. I told him last time I saw him (about a week ago) that I was thinking about getting an iPhone 6S Plus instead of a 950XL... His response was "please, just give me three months.. Wait for the Surface phone this January before you decide"

    You guys don't have to take my word for it... I'm just repeating what I've heard from him. He said they wanted to release it now, but are waiting for Intel to catch up on their hardware end. He said "they're not waiting on us (Microsoft), we are ready!"
    10-21-2015 01:17 PM
  5. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    A guy I know who works for Microsoft. He's told me about the Surface phone coming in January on at least a couple occasions. He was dead on about the new Surface being waaaay more than anyone was expecting at the Oct 6th event. I think he knows a little something.. I told him last time I saw him (about a week ago) that I was thinking about getting an iPhone 6S Plus instead of a 950XL... His response was "please, just give me three months.. Wait for the Surface phone this January before you decide"

    You guys don't have to take my word for it... I'm just repeating what I've heard from him. He said they wanted to release it now, but are waiting for Intel to catch up on their hardware end. He said "they're not waiting on us (Microsoft), we are ready!"
    I believe that your source told you that. It's just so counter intuitive that Microsoft would launch their self-proclaimed flagship device, then announce another high end device a mere two months later. It kinda feeds my thinking that the Lumia "Surface Phone" will be without many of the flagship features that high end lumia's are known for. High end camera, high end display, high end processor, etc... The only way i could see it reasonably happening is for it to be a mid-end, enterprise focused phone.

    And if i'm wrong, and it is a full fledged Surface phone with high end specs...

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    10-21-2015 01:28 PM
  6. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    As far as i know, microsoft will not close the gap (soon) between the 6xx and 9xx. They are worried about cannibalization of 9xx , if there is a midrange device with close specs. First refresh next year will be the 6xx and 4xx.
    Right, still a midrange offering & successor to the 830. Even it isn't in the 8xx naming scheme.

    Leaked render allegedly shows Microsoft 'Saana' phone for 2016 | Windows Central
    10-21-2015 02:23 PM
  7. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I believe that your source told you that. It's just so counter intuitive that Microsoft would launch their self-proclaimed flagship device, then announce another high end device a mere two months later. It kinda feeds my thinking that the Lumia "Surface Phone" will be without many of the flagship features that high end lumia's are known for. High end camera, high end display, high end processor, etc... The only way i could see it reasonably happening is for it to be a mid-end, enterprise focused phone.

    And if i'm wrong, and it is a full fledged Surface phone with high end specs...

    http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-conten...en_colbert.gif
    lol @the GIF^^^

    One thing he did clarify; it definitely won't be a "Lumia Surface phone" Lumia and Surface are two different brands. There will be Lumias, and then this will be the first "Surface phone".
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    10-21-2015 07:51 PM
  8. horseybob's Avatar
    if they want Enterprise beta testers, let me know! I've used MS since DOS 1.0; would be happy to sign an NDA. I've signed several with them in the past for some amusing things.
    10-21-2015 08:23 PM
  9. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    lol @the GIF^^^

    One thing he did clarify; it definitely won't be a "Lumia Surface phone" Lumia and Surface are two different brands. There will be Lumias, and then this will be the first "Surface phone".
    Warren seemed to think otherwise after his time with Panay. http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/8/94...ce-book-design
    10-21-2015 09:29 PM
  10. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Warren seemed to think otherwise after his time with Panay. Microsoft's Surface chief wants a consistent design across devices | The Verge
    I read that as "a Surface inspired phone, even if it's labeled a Lumia" as in there may be Lumia phones that are inspired by the Surface... But then there are the actual "Surface Phones" ...and also, you've got to pay close attention to what exactly is in quotation marks in that article. The whole part about a Surface inspired Lumia wasn't a quote from Panay.
    10-22-2015 12:42 AM
  11. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    But then there are the actual "Surface Phones" .
    I don't know how you could infer that from the interview. The only thing we can take from it is that Panay wants consistency in design amongst Microsoft devices. But branding will remain fairly autonomous. The next Xbox will be influenced by Surface design, but it'll still be part of the Xbox family.

    and also, you've got to pay close attention to what exactly is in quotation marks in that article. The whole part about a Surface inspired Lumia wasn't a quote from Panay.
    Right, I noticed. Which is why i mentioned that it's Warren's take away from the interview that hints at "Surface phones" with Lumia branding. There are things that are said off the record in these interviews that often influence editorial comments like that.

    When push comes to shove, we don't really know much about this phone. We know it's got an intel chip. That's about it. As far as branding, Rubino says Surface is a mere consideration.

    10-22-2015 09:10 AM
  12. Ed Boland's Avatar
    Yep, we'll just have to wait and see. Mark this spot though.. I'm saying its going to be called the Surface phone. :D

    But seriously, like I said in some other threads, Microsoft has been known to flat out cancel things at the last minute. We'll know if my source was right soon enough.
    10-22-2015 05:16 PM
  13. Wajeeh Maaz's Avatar
    Like I said earlier, a phone running x86 apps would be an absolute killer and businesses will be queuing up for it. This could really be where MS cements itself in the mobile space. It really does feel like a make-it-or-break-it moment for MS in the mobile field.
    11-01-2015 11:54 AM
  14. power5's Avatar
    Also, Panay seemed to hint that they'd be keeping the Lumia brand for mobile devices. Not using the Surface brand. So I don't think Surface devices are a great indicator of what to expect.
    A surface is not a mobile device? I thought tablets were considered mobile devices? I am looking to buy a new phone to replace my Note 3 and want to get back to WP. My then brand new Titan not getting the WP8 update put me off for this last iteration and I went to android. I actually like it and was not disappointed like many suggested I would be. Its nice having all the apps the day they are released to iphone users as well and not having to wait for some 3rd party workaround app. Win10 and especially continuum looks awesome. Would love to hook up my spare monitors for continuum at home and work. Thinking about 950xl but do not really want another plastic phone like my note 3. Surface phone looks amazing in the renders.
    11-02-2015 04:03 PM
  15. avi_920's Avatar
    I told him last time I saw him (about a week ago) that I was thinking about getting an iPhone 6S Plus instead of a 950XL... His response was "please, just give me three months.. Wait for the Surface phone this January before you decide"

    You guys don't have to take my word for it... I'm just repeating what I've heard from him. He said they wanted to release it now, but are waiting for Intel to catch up on their hardware end. He said "they're not waiting on us (Microsoft), we are ready!"
    So does that mean the surface phone would be having a display size of more than 5.5"? Wish they have the display size no more than 5.5" for the rumoured surface phone, as 950 & 950xL have 5.2" & 5.7" displays. Sure the specs are gonna be awesome though!!
    11-04-2015 10:45 AM
  16. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    A surface is not a mobile device? I thought tablets were considered mobile devices?
    The Surface line is a Tablet/Hybrid line right now. Sure you could call them "mobile devices." But they're not mobile devices in the same sense that Lumia's are. Again, we're crossing into all sorts of new territories here with an intel phone, a new team leading design/development, new market, etc... Who knows how things will pan out... Probably just Panay.
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    11-04-2015 12:27 PM
  17. jmajid's Avatar
    Right, still a midrange offering & successor to the 830. Even it isn't in the 8xx naming scheme.

    Leaked render allegedly shows Microsoft 'Saana' phone for 2016 | Windows Central
    interesting that the start screen on that render shows "Mon 04"...
    when is the next Monday the 4th? January 2016 :) - of course it could be April 4th (actual release)
    let the rumors begin :)

    EDIT:

    if the codename is still Sanaa then:

    Sanaa is a African girl name. The meaning of the name is `Work of Art, Beauty `
    11-06-2015 01:19 PM
  18. power5's Avatar
    interesting that the start screen on that render shows "Mon 04"...
    when is the next Monday the 4th? January 2016 :) - of course it could be April 4th (actual release)
    let the rumors begin :)

    EDIT:

    if the codename is still Sanaa then:

    Sanaa is a African girl name. The meaning of the name is `Work of Art, Beauty `
    And then July, and then not till Sept 2017
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    11-10-2015 01:03 PM
  19. jmajid's Avatar
    And then July, and then not till Sept 2017
    hopefully we can count out sep 2017!
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    11-10-2015 01:07 PM
  20. Citizen X's Avatar
    I hear it's going to be announced in January. Possibly released in Febraury.
    So announced at CES perhaps?
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    11-11-2015 06:19 PM
  21. Ed Boland's Avatar
    So announced at CES perhaps?
    Who knows. The way things get delayed or pushed back with MS, it's anyone's guess. As long as they keep from officially saying anything about it, they can take all the time they want. (Well, actually this is Microsoft we're talking about, so they could officially announce it and still take all the time they want! lol) but I'm sure they'll at least wait for the initial surge of Windows Phone "enthusiasts" to run out and buy the 950/950XLs before they say anything.
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    11-12-2015 06:53 AM
  22. chenhogi's Avatar
    Really looking forward to this phone. If it adheres to the design language of the Surface line, it should be quite special.
    I currently have a 930, so am not in a major rush to get the 950. Haven't seen one in person, but the design is rather boring IMO, and the lack of physical keys is very disappointing.
    11-12-2015 09:37 AM
  23. macroweb's Avatar
    A guy I know who works for Microsoft. He's told me about the Surface phone coming in January on at least a couple occasions. He was dead on about the new Surface being waaaay more than anyone was expecting at the Oct 6th event. I think he knows a little something.. I told him last time I saw him (about a week ago) that I was thinking about getting an iPhone 6S Plus instead of a 950XL... His response was "please, just give me three months.. Wait for the Surface phone this January before you decide"

    You guys don't have to take my word for it... I'm just repeating what I've heard from him. He said they wanted to release it now, but are waiting for Intel to catch up on their hardware end. He said "they're not waiting on us (Microsoft), we are ready!"
    I'm with Ed on this, primarily because it explains Verizon's lack of interest in either of the 950's. Over the years there have been instances where VZW wouldn't carry the latest release because they knew a better model was coming very soon. VZW is very stingy with its inventory, isn't that what they did with Lumia Icon, AT&T got the 1520 and VZW waited and got the Icon (my current phone).
    11-18-2015 01:36 PM
  24. Musicman247's Avatar
    Well, with Daniel's review of the 950 we can say now that the "Surface Phone" will not be coming until at least late next year.
    11-20-2015 09:09 AM
  25. Kavu2's Avatar
    Well, with Daniel's review of the 950 we can say now that the "Surface Phone" will not be coming until at least late next year.
    Just adding for reference, the Daniel quote from his 950 review on WC today.
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    "If you are on the fence and waiting for something better than the Lumia 950 I can say with confidence now that there won't be another high-end Windows phone until late next year. Unless another OEM steps in with an equally spec'd phone, the Microsoft Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL will be it."
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    11-20-2015 11:03 AM
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