10-20-2016 03:20 PM
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  1. Jack Neill's Avatar
    Hardware isn't the issue, they can make good hardware, the 950 is a great phone. The problem is the software, pretty ironic given MS past as a software company... W10M while its come along ways, it still just isn't there when compared to iOS/Android. They had something special with WP 7/8/8.1. 10 not so much....
    10-09-2016 04:01 PM
  2. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    All these tech blogers like MJF, Thurrott, Brad Sams say the NEED Android or iPhone to do work, what app is it that they NEED to have that Windows doesnt provide? Snapchat? give me break :)
    Come on that's just a flippant a remark, especially when you mention Snapchat like that.

    I'm sure I could get to work on a Motorcycle just fine. I mean I don't see why anyone would need a car but obviously a car is just a better experience for most people.

    I like MJF. In her own words she's a "normal" and they are the people who decide whether Windows Phone is ultimately a success, not the tech enthusiasts like us.
    10-09-2016 04:12 PM
  3. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Hardware isn't the issue, they can make good hardware, the 950 is a great phone. The problem is the software, pretty ironic given MS past as a software company... W10M while its come along ways, it still just isn't there when compared to iOS/Android. They had something special with WP 7/8/8.1. 10 not so much....
    Windows 10 Mobile has great potential but Microsoft just may have cried wolf one too many times.
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    10-09-2016 04:18 PM
  4. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Hardware isn't the issue, they can make good hardware, the 950 is a great phone. The problem is the software, pretty ironic given MS past as a software company... W10M while its come along ways, it still just isn't there when compared to iOS/Android. They had something special with WP 7/8/8.1. 10 not so much....
    It's both hardware and software. It's just that phones have reached a point where things are sort of very similar. Android and ios already dominate the market. Everyone knows about them, everyone has put their money into their ecosystems. Leaving would be losing all your purchases. Both operating systems are stable, both have similar features that will cover most peoples' needs. And of course all your friends are on one of these. So even if Windows 10 becomes awesome stable, has all the features the other os's have, what exactly would make anyone move over to get the same stuff just wrapped up differently? It will barely get any media attention as people don't care. In fact, how many popular news sites that the average user sees would even mention windows phone? The point is that if you fall behind and you're the little guy jumping up and down trying to get peoples attention, it has to be big. Do you think "same ol" gets peoples' attention? Smartphones are so stagnant right now that this is a good opportunity to draw attention to yourself. Something different, inspiring and creates enough enthusiasm that people will want to try it. And you won't do that with software alone, it will be a combination of innovative hardware/software.

    Continuum has the ability to really change things if it can become a true hybrid. A hybrid that can do smartphone,laptop/tablet and desktop and in an easy way. You're not really buying a phone at this point. Next time someone needs a new phone or wants to get a new phone they don't necessarily need to get just a phone, they can stay current by having one device instead of constantly upgraded multiple devices. Microsoft really needs to find the biggest limitations and solve those issues.

    Through software they would require to make sure they have a great ecosystem that can make your experience seamless, easy to use, yet allow the complexity that some require. As a simple user I want to get the benefits without fumbling with cables and connecting things. A wireless solution should provide a simple button to tap to approve a connection based on proximity. As an advanced user I want to be able to connect it to any existing accessories and make use of them and get the fastest and customizable experience. Familiarity with other solutions MS provides is pretty important too. If someone thinks they are on a desktop, the UI should show it.

    Through hardware the device needs to do as much as the heavy lifting as it can. Don't have a keyboard/mouse with you? Don't have a tv nearby? This is where tech needs to really evolve to do interesting things. It may even require working with other partners to certify accessories. Working with partners to provide accessories everywhere. If you want something to be big you have to take all the extra steps whether it be a technological advancement or through partnerships. You need to simplify the product as much as possible but allow for advanced users to still take full advantage of it.

    Heck even in settings they can have a basic and advanced toggle button. Hide the complexity from the users in software. Educate users through software with bubble tips and not reading a user manual.

    That's just for the continuum concept of course. They could advance some other feature of phones like holograph projections or who knows.
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    10-09-2016 04:53 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm sure I could get to work on a Motorcycle just fine.
    In '08 when gas was over $4 per gallon I was riding. I had a bluetooth headset inside my helmet and my Treo was safely tucked away. I did mention it was 2008 right?
    10-09-2016 05:25 PM
  6. Tom Westrick's Avatar
    The reason there is a want for a phone made by MS is the same reason there is a want for a Google made Android... they are just better than 3rd party. Thats why Apple makes and controls all their platform. Under priced gas station phones do nothing but increase market share. Its overall quality that is needed. The X3 is an amazing phone, from what ive seen. BUT... the camera.... If it had a Zeiss lens and Lumia hardware running behind it, that phone would be THE Windows 10 phone. But its an overall average camera in a world where photos are more and more important. If MS waits til late 2017 to release a phone, so be it. Just get it right this time. Polish the OS. Kill the bugs. Add unique features. Storm the Enterprise market. General consumers need to get over it and move to another platform if they don't like that MS isn't bowing to them anymore. The platform isn't dead by any means, all indications truly point to only being geared toward Enterprise. I'm a grown-up that doesn't need to catch Pokemon. But I would love to have one device for all. That's the direction they are going. I want less clutter in my life. One OS for everything. Take your time MS...
    I get that, but Windows OEM's can't change the OS as much as Android users can, so there's less of a point of a Windows Mobile phone made by Microsoft. What can you imagine a Surface phone doing better/different than the HP Elite X3?
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    10-09-2016 09:10 PM
  7. BMT001's Avatar
    If people were really expecting a new Surface phone to be unveiled in New York they must not read much. I am just happy with my 950 XL. I would actually be surprised to see it next fall. Really how much better would it be than a 950 XL? Ok more RAM a little faster chip set that's it. I also have a NOTE 5 which was my daily driver until I switched to the 950 XL. OK it has more RAM and a faster chipset and my 950 XL is twice the phone. Sure we can have more apps but will a new Surface phone get us more? Maybe but not anytime soon. And how many apps do we need? I can honestly say the only app I miss is MLB at bat and that's definitely not a necessity. If I want real productivity and multitasking I am not using my phone. I am using my Surface, Laptop or Desktop.
    10-09-2016 09:32 PM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I don't think I have quite figured out this fascination with a 'Surface Phone'.

    I'm guessing it's to do with styling and the fact it's a MS product? Other than that I really don't see what the big deal is. What do you expect it to do that will be different than say the HP X3?

    If/When it becomes available it's going to be far out of reach of most consumers that Nokia brought to Windows Phone anyway so it's really a high end phone priced high end for a small amount of people. It will most likely be targeted at business as well.

    So I'm a little confused by all this hype.

    What's really required to bring any viability to the market for Window Mobile is a good low to mid range phone with Continuum built in. To me, that will be something to crow about. I know it's unlikely to be a Surface Phone but that's what's needed.
    10-10-2016 07:12 AM
  9. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    I don't think I have quite figured out this fascination with a 'Surface Phone'.

    I'm guessing it's to do with styling and the fact it's a MS product? Other than that I really don't see what the big deal is. What do you expect it to do that will be different than say the HP X3?

    If/When it becomes available it's going to be far out of reach of most consumers that Nokia brought to Windows Phone anyway so it's really a high end phone priced high end for a small amount of people. It will most likely be targeted at business as well.

    So I'm a little confused by all this hype.

    What's really required to bring any viability to the market for Window Mobile is a good low to mid range phone with Continuum built in. To me, that will be something to crow about. I know it's unlikely to be a Surface Phone but that's what's needed.
    I think they're hoping for some kind of miraculous halo effect.
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    10-10-2016 10:48 AM
  10. mweflen's Avatar
    I just got my 950 six weeks ago. I can wait until 2018 for a Surface Phone.

    I waited on the 950 because, on release, it was overpriced and the software was a mess. Regular stuff didn't work and the battery life was atrocious. Reviewers rightfully crucified it for these reasons. Now, after a year of software updates, it is (mostly) bug free and gets acceptable battery life.

    Why not give MS a chance to actually get things right on a Surface Phone, out of the starting gate? The 950 line, the X3, and other upcoming third party phones will be plenty for the next year or two.

    MS might also use the time to create a truly unique selling point. If Continuum is their bet on the future, they need to make it as robust (running anything you can on a real desktop) and simple (i.e. wireless, no dongle) as possible.
    10-10-2016 11:57 AM
  11. Player Piano's Avatar
    That would make 3 "superphones" in the market. I don't understand what people are expecting from the Surface Unicorn. Unless it brews coffee, these other phones have the same capabilities. In fact, the Acer and HP ship with docks and/or keyboards, the Alcatel will be outfitted with VR Goggles. I understand the HP is having camera issues but that's software. The OS will be identical including the missing apps so it's really about hardware. I'm sensing a letdown of biblical proportions as well as moaning and crying worse than when WP7 wouldn't upgrade to WP8. Laura and the fellas, I wouldn't want to be you.
    Well, I guess it depends on what you consider a super-phone. The HP is much too big of a phone for me, so this one is super in size too. Every review I've read about the Acer super-phone has criticized for it being creaky. I already have this feature on my 950. I would like a realistically sized for me (5.2-5.5 inch) with decent build quality. That is a lot to ask for in 2016.
    Not complaining though, I still like my 950 a great deal.
    10-10-2016 12:22 PM
  12. camaroz1985's Avatar
    I willl keep holding out. I committed to use an iphone for a year. I am less than a month into it, and I do really miss W10. It is smooth and polished, but ultimately not interesting, and doesn't give instant access to the info like live tiles do (widgets are not an acceptable replacement).

    I'm hoping that something interesting and exciting comes out from Microsoft or WhartonBrooks/Cerulean by this time next year. I will most likely keep using this iphone until then. I can't see myself liking it enough to switch for good, but I guess a lot can change in a year.
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    10-10-2016 01:56 PM
  13. sinime's Avatar
    I think they're hoping for some kind of miraculous halo effect.
    Then they should make a Halo branded phone.
    10-10-2016 03:11 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well, I guess it depends on what you consider a super-phone. The HP is much too big of a phone for me, so this one is super in size too. Every review I've read about the Acer super-phone has criticized for it being creaky. I already have this feature on my 950. I would like a realistically sized for me (5.2-5.5 inch) with decent build quality. That is a lot to ask for in 2016.
    Not complaining though, I still like my 950 a great deal.
    Specs are the first thing enthusiasts look at even though a mid-ranger like the Alcatel Fierce XL runs great with 2GB of RAM and the 640 is more than serviceable with just 1GB. Still, 3 or 4 gigs makes for great ad copy. Processor and GPU specs are for the hard-core geeks, nobody can truly appreciate a nanosecond speed difference in computational tasks. Metal builds may be "premium" but it puts a strain on engineering to get optimal RF. A plastic body makes for better reception but you may get the creaking you alluded to and that won't sit well with some. To me, USB-C, Continuum and USB-OTG are the main ingredients for any self-respecting flagship phone. Also overlooked sometimes is audio quality. It is a phone after all and calls should be loud and free of distortion whether you're on the earpiece or speakerphone. I do agree with you that 5-5.2 is the sweet spot for display size. I had both the 950 and 950 XL at one point and the button placement on the XL was simply too moronic to justify the larger screen. I'm waiting on the Idol 4 S before I make a final judgment on which device to carry. Creakiness and all, the Acer is my front-runner right now. The sounds that rig makes are phenomenal.
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    10-10-2016 05:30 PM
  15. anon(6078578)'s Avatar
    Then they should make a Halo branded phone.
    I just knew someone would make a reference to the Halo brand lol
    10-10-2016 07:02 PM
  16. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Its not an issue of better/different, its a matter of quality. Microsoft will have a better ability to get higher end hardware, i.e. camera sensors. As I stated, if the X3 had the 20mp Zeiss camera the XL has, game over for other windows phones. But that seems to be the thing with every windows phone, MS or third party. There is always SOMETHING lacking. The hope is the Surface phone will be top of the line of the top of the line at the time. I cant switch due to the cameras alone. Sites can post all the comparisons they want, for actual photography, that Zeiss lens is the tits. Apple can use all the software they want to pretty up a picture, as a photographer, I want RAW.
    10-11-2016 07:45 PM
  17. sd4f's Avatar
    A week ago, in a different thread, I said that I wouldn't be surprised if the surface phone was vapourware or even cancelled.

    Well, it's not quite the same thing, but heading in that direction. I'm not surprised...

    I get the feeling that after the bad press this year of how there's no market share to speak of, I think their strategy has changed, and it's now really appearing to no longer involve us, the consumer, at all. Ultimately I don't know, but constant bad news doesn't bode well for us.
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    10-11-2016 08:16 PM
  18. DLong4's Avatar
    I don't think I have quite figured out this fascination with a 'Surface Phone'.

    I'm guessing it's to do with styling and the fact it's a MS product? Other than that I really don't see what the big deal is. What do you expect it to do that will be different than say the HP X3?
    NFC would be a start, as well as stylus support. The hardware and firmware should be tailored to a more mature W10M OS.
    10-15-2016 11:59 PM
  19. Vittorio Vaselli's Avatar
    I don't think I have quite figured out this fascination with a 'Surface Phone'.
    Microsoft said surface phone will be a category innovating device. It will not be like other smartphones, not everbody here understood it however, infact i see in this forum some concept that are simply other rectangular boring form factor phone. Surface phone will be different and it is for this reason it will hit the market later than expected. Microsoft said more than one time it is useless to do a copycat phone, if there will be(it is not sure) it had to be a breakthrough, something that can persuade iphone and android buyers to try it.
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    10-16-2016 04:18 AM
  20. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Microsoft said surface phone will be a category innovating device. It will not be like other smartphones, not everbody here understood it however, infact i see in this forum some concept that are simply other rectangular boring form factor phone. Surface phone will be different and it is for this reason it will hit the market later than expected. Microsoft said more than one time it is useless to do a copycat phone, if there will be(it is not sure) it had to be a breakthrough, something that can persuade iphone and android buyers to try it.
    The only way to get Android and iPhone users to use or even think about using a Windows Mobile is apps. Without that, it's DOA for anyone but those who are already invested or those who are curious.

    As for an innovative device. Not entirely sure what that would be really or how you make it different. I can think of several things that would be 'cool' but 'cool', 'neat' and 'different' doesn't sell devices. What does is an overall experience. Windows Mobile still lacks that for a lot of people. That's the sad reality.
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 10-24-2016 at 06:30 AM.
    10-18-2016 03:14 AM
  21. wiederman's Avatar
    I just got my 950 six weeks ago. I can wait until 2018 for a Surface Phone.

    I waited on the 950 because, on release, it was overpriced and the software was a mess. Regular stuff didn't work and the battery life was atrocious. Reviewers rightfully crucified it for these reasons. Now, after a year of software updates, it is (mostly) bug free and gets acceptable battery life.

    Why not give MS a chance to actually get things right on a Surface Phone, out of the starting gate? The 950 line, the X3, and other upcoming third party phones will be plenty for the next year or two.

    MS might also use the time to create a truly unique selling point. If Continuum is their bet on the future, they need to make it as robust (running anything you can on a real desktop) and simple (i.e. wireless, no dongle) as possible.
    In addition to contimuum, I was actually thinking that MS might create a headset which a surface phone could connect to in order to create a HoloLens display.... by Bluetooth etc. This would make the headset a lot less cumbersome and think about how many people would jump for joy on that
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    10-18-2016 03:52 PM
  22. Vittorio Vaselli's Avatar
    In addition to contimuum, I was actually thinking that MS might create a headset which a surface phone could connect to in order to create a HoloLens display.... by Bluetooth etc. This would make the headset a lot less cumbersome and think about how many people would jump for joy on that
    I really hope Microsoft do something like that. Current HoloLens can use processing power from a pc via wifi. Could Do something like that with a phone and create a new version of HoloLens more compact and more lightweight without cpu/gpu/hpu...only "screen" and sensors.
    10-20-2016 03:20 PM
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