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  1. bulls96's Avatar
    I just reinstalled amiDUOs on my surface to run android on my sp4.

    Got me thinking, with x86 on ARM coming, will it not be possible to run android on the Surface phone now?
    02-04-2017 09:54 AM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    I think its entirely possible if there was a such thing as a surface phone.
    a5cent likes this.
    02-04-2017 01:14 PM
  3. a5cent's Avatar
    Don't know. Theoretically it would not even require emulation however. It's an ARM device, exactly the kind of device Android typically runs on. There are a number of ways this could be achieved. Running an ARM emulator, within an x86 emulator, on an ARM device, would be the worst of all possible options. Would probably be close to unusable.
    libra89 and RumoredNow like this.
    02-04-2017 02:02 PM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    Thing is, if you're going that far you might as well get an Android phone.
    02-04-2017 04:13 PM
  5. PerfectReign's Avatar
    The ability was baked into WM10 about a year ago. Insider builds were able to install Android apps via Project Astoria.

    Too many ethical and legal issues killed it off.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/30386...indows-10.html



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    02-07-2017 12:17 AM
  6. anthonyng's Avatar
    I laughed this off because I figured it be super slow. Just installed amiduos on my surface 3 and it's not horrible! going to have to give this more of a run, would a surface phone have a more powerful chip than the surface 3?

    All I need would be a non clunky implementation and then I can use it when I find I do need a stupid app like setting up belkin wireless electric outlets.

    Cheaper than buying an actual android device if most of what I would occasionally need is accessible from my surface 3
    02-20-2017 05:12 PM
  7. a5cent's Avatar
    would a surface phone have a more powerful chip than the surface 3?
    The Surface 3 (not Pro) has an Intel Z8700 Atom Chip. So yes, In both single-threaded and multi-threaded performance disciplines (the most important performance metrics of a general purpose CPU), a Snapdragon 835 would be more powerful.
    However, that comparison is completely irrelevant, as amiduos is an x86 based compilation of Android for Windows, which includes the Java runtime environment. For most apps this amiduos scenario requires little (more likely none) of the instruction set translation technology that W10oA does.
    Completely different thing...
    Last edited by a5cent; 02-22-2017 at 02:04 AM.
    Guytronic likes this.
    02-22-2017 01:50 AM
  8. anthonyng's Avatar
    For most apps this amiduos scenario requires little (more likely none) of the instruction set translation technology that W10oA does.
    Completely different thing...
    To me, it's just software, and finding solutions for it. That's not my domain, however, if there's a will there's a way and Microsoft is a software company first :) Also lots of other software companies out there and surprisingly so many options for android emulators.

    The interesting thing for me is that it's tolerable on a surface 3. Ok I tried a hangout and it sucked but it worked!

    I'm in the android full screen and all my windows notifications keep working and I can just flip over to it. It's really awesome how seamless it is.

    I likely don't need to buy an android device just to be able to run certain apps once in a while. I can pay $15 for amiduos and still just have one device!
    02-22-2017 11:46 AM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    To me, it's just software, and finding solutions for it. That's not my domain, however, if there's a will there's a way and
    Yes, where there is a will there is a way. It's hard to argue with that. 😉

    Where I disagree is that this is "just software". There is, with 100% certainty, some circuitry in ARM's newer CPU designs that helps MS accelerate x86 ISA translation.

    My point is only that it's very hard to estimate performance of W10oA running a Win32 app based on anything else we currently have at our disposal. The only thing we have to go on is a somewhat fishy demo performed MS.
    xandros9 and anthonyng like this.
    02-23-2017 01:21 AM
  10. anthonyng's Avatar
    @a5cent

    Woooooshhhhhh.... lol ;)
    02-23-2017 02:32 PM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    @a5cent

    Woooooshhhhhh.... lol ;)

    Darn it, sorry, didn't want that to go over anyone's head.

    ISA = the set of instructions a CPU understands.
    ISA translation = converting one or more CPU instructions (like 'add a + b') from the format one CPU understands to what another CPU understands (where there typically aren't always 1:1 translations to be found).
    TechFreak1 likes this.
    02-24-2017 09:04 AM
  12. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Originally posted by a5cent
    Originally Posted by anthonyng
    @a5cent

    Woooooshhhhhh.... lol ;)

    Darn it, sorry, didn't want that to go over anyone's head.

    ISA = the set of instructions a CPU understands.
    ISA translation = converting one or more CPU instructions (like 'add a + b') from the format one CPU understands to what another CPU understands (where there typically aren't always 1:1 translations to be found).
    Not many will remember the old PC days of the ISA Bus either lol.
    a5cent likes this.
    11-19-2017 09:46 PM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
    Not many will remember the old PC days of the ISA Bus either lol.
    lol, hell, I'm not even sure if I remember that... for those who don't know... same three letters, but completely different things:

    ISA = instruction set architecture
    ISA (bus) = industry standard architecture
    Last edited by a5cent; 11-25-2017 at 07:32 PM.
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    11-20-2017 12:32 PM

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