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  1. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well... That's just not true at all. Did you miss the C-Shell build that Zac demoed earlier this week? Or Rubino's article today about future hardware? https://www.windowscentral.com/windo...date-pc-makers
    While I understand people want MS to come out with a killer mobile device today, they have to understand they're building much more than that and it takes time. Like Dan said, MS, Google and Apple are all after the same thing, they're just coming at it from different directions. In the future computing will span all devices and be everywhere. If you think about the complexity of that it makes more sense we have to be patient to get there.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    06-07-2017 05:05 PM
  2. camaroz1985's Avatar
    I agree, having a Surface Phone today would not solve the issues that the consumer public sees with Windows. They need to get the Store situation sorted, and I hope Windows 10S can help get better parity for current Android and iOS users. That won't be necessary for corporate focused customers, but if they ever want to try to pull in the consumer space again they will need to make progress on that front.

    I did find it interesting that at this year's I/O conference Google showed how they were moving toward more AI focused "apps" through Google Assistant without having to have the actual apps on your phone, the same thing that everyone (by that I mean tech journalists, and Android/iOS fanboys) laughed at Microsoft for with bots and Cortana. Then Apple has a video at WWDC showing an end of days scenario where the apps disappear, and Timmy Cook says how no one wants apps to disappear. Of course Apple doesn't want that, they have the apps, and don't have a good AI.
    06-08-2017 08:28 AM
  3. mtf1380's Avatar
    It'd be nice if 'all' apps where stored in the cloud, and capable of being access by 'all' OS's, and then let innovation rule supreme!
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    06-08-2017 08:54 AM
  4. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    It'd be nice if 'all' apps where stored in the cloud, and capable of being access by 'all' OS's, and then let innovation rule supreme!
    You're basically describing websites.
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    06-08-2017 10:40 AM
  5. mtf1380's Avatar
    @Indistinguishable, that is fine 'if' I could have a local copy for "immediate" access and app related data storage, and access to any, and all apps, I wanted/needed. In my vision, all apps would have standardized front-end credentials that would allow any OS access to download and install any pre-qualitied app. All apps would have to go through a security committee for rigorous scrutiny to gain security authorization before the front-end creds are issued, no app would be permitted for download without creds. This would allow fairness to all (developers, businesses, consumers, manufacturers), establish security across all platforms, and would be standardize for compatibility, just like any other important utility (e.g. electricity, bluetooth, input/output connections, radio frequencies, etc.)
    06-08-2017 12:48 PM
  6. Travis Flenker's Avatar
    You're basically describing websites.
    I'm really surprised we don't see more web based SPAs. I'm probably vastly oversimplifying things, but wouldn't that be the easiest way to develop for all platforms? Guessing that might create some complications trying to deal with the different OS's APIs.

    Anyone with better knowledge, please feel free to explain to me why I'm stupid.
    06-08-2017 12:54 PM
  7. Peter1984's Avatar
    I find it really frustrating.

    If MS had a mobile strategy and were definitely going to replace the Lumia line up with a new line, sometime in the next 6-12 months then their marketing department would have already begun a stealth campaign at the very least.

    The fact that this hasn't happened says one of two things. Either they're completely under-investing in marketing (very unlike MS) which says to me that its going to be another utter failure of a launch or secondly they've got a product and they're sitting on it waiting to see where the market goes with wearables, VR and augmented reality.

    I feel utterly abandoned and I'm really upset by the fact that MS won't let customers buy OEM parts for their damage phones.

    I spent over $500 repairing my 950 XL and 950 and then within 6 months had my XL die yet again (screen).

    The OEM parts cost nothing if they sold at cost+10%....why can't they let us have it.
    07-10-2017 10:16 PM
  8. dksf42's Avatar
    I find it really frustrating.

    If MS had a mobile strategy and were definitely going to replace the Lumia line up with a new line, sometime in the next 6-12 months then their marketing department would have already begun a stealth campaign at the very least.

    The fact that this hasn't happened says one of two things. Either they're completely under-investing in marketing (very unlike MS) which says to me that its going to be another utter failure of a launch or secondly they've got a product and they're sitting on it waiting to see where the market goes with wearables, VR and augmented reality.
    I discovered this while looking for something else - hot from Computex 2017 (May 31, 2017) ...

    It represents a great update to Microsoft's strategy !!!

    https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...computex-2017/
    Last edited by dksf42; 07-30-2017 at 06:54 PM.
    07-30-2017 04:05 PM
  9. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Not sure if this is entirely relevant but with all this talk of the rumoured Surface phone being a foldable device the season four finale of Black Mirror (if you haven't seen this please do, it's like a modern day Twilight Zone) briefly features a foldable phone that looks just like the MS patents.
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    12-31-2017 09:53 PM
  10. Iain_S's Avatar
    The latest i have heard is that the hardware is ready and complete running SD845, the software is not ready an the apps are not ready, They are already in talks with channel partners and pushing for release dates, i think we will see this device much sooner than later this year, maybe within the next month or two.
    02-11-2018 01:24 AM
  11. etphoto's Avatar
    The latest i have heard is that the hardware is ready and complete running SD845, the software is not ready an the apps are not ready, They are already in talks with channel partners and pushing for release dates, i think we will see this device much sooner than later this year, maybe within the next month or two.
    Being a new device that will be defining a new category, I think MS will have some type of special event were the media and tech bloggers are invited too. Nothing is being released, I believe, until that day.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    02-11-2018 10:45 AM
  12. grahamf's Avatar
    The latest i have heard is that the hardware is ready and complete running SD845, the software is not ready an the apps are not ready, They are already in talks with channel partners and pushing for release dates, i think we will see this device much sooner than later this year, maybe within the next month or two.
    Could it be launched during BUILD 2018 on May 7th? The timing seems right... I'm pretty sure they finished the window manager as the latest Insider builds have ****ed up (but easily fixed) window borders.

    I hope it's under $1,500...
    03-03-2018 07:21 PM
  13. covfefe's Avatar
    Surface Booklet $1599 (foldable flexible screen, with docking keyboard, 12.3").
    Surface Attaché $849 per screen (attachable foldable non-flexible screens, no keyboard, 8.06" for two screens).
    03-06-2018 03:40 AM
  14. lawalove's Avatar
    Not sure if this is entirely relevant but with all this talk of the rumoured Surface phone being a foldable device the season four finale of Black Mirror (if you haven't seen this please do, it's like a modern day Twilight Zone) briefly features a foldable phone that looks just like the MS patents.
    Which episode?
    03-08-2018 01:13 AM
  15. grahamf's Avatar
    Surface Booklet $1599 (foldable flexible screen, with docking keyboard, 12.3").
    Surface Attaché $849 per screen (attachable foldable non-flexible screens, no keyboard, 8.06" for two screens).
    back of the hand math indicates that in order to make a 10" tablet with the Surface line's 2:3 ratio, a 7" folded state is needed. Not impossible, but wayyy up there in phablet space. An 8" tablet becomes a more manageable 5.5" phone.
    03-08-2018 10:21 PM
  16. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    Which episode?
    The last one. At least it looked like that from what I remembered. Good news also, there's a new season of Black Mirror coming too!
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    03-09-2018 06:58 AM
  17. camaroz1985's Avatar
    back of the hand math indicates that in order to make a 10" tablet with the Surface line's 2:3 ratio, a 7" folded state is needed. Not impossible, but wayyy up there in phablet space. An 8" tablet becomes a more manageable 5.5" phone.
    That's if it only folds in half, if it folds into thirds then it becomes much more reasonable. A 10" screen folded in thirds would be roughly the size of the Plus size iPhones (that is if it is an edge to edge screen), so that would be totally manageable for most people.

    Then again, the rumored device isn't meant to be a "phone" so this math could all be thrown out the window.
    03-09-2018 12:18 PM
  18. grahamf's Avatar
    That's if it only folds in half, if it folds into thirds then it becomes much more reasonable. A 10" screen folded in thirds would be roughly the size of the Plus size iPhones (that is if it is an edge to edge screen), so that would be totally manageable for most people.

    Then again, the rumored device isn't meant to be a "phone" so this math could all be thrown out the window.
    It's supposed to have telephony capabilities so it should be at last phablet sized, and it makes sense to not call it a phone if it's more than one.
    03-11-2018 10:52 PM
  19. DavidBS1989's Avatar
    Hello, guys. Are there any new rumors or hopes? I have a Lumia 930 for more than two years (near three), it stills working well but I want to know if when I'll must leave it, if I would be able to get a new Windows Phone; Surface Phone rumors were a good hope. I can't return to Android after try WP.
    03-21-2018 10:55 AM
  20. grahamf's Avatar
    That's if it only folds in half, if it folds into thirds then it becomes much more reasonable. A 10" screen folded in thirds would be roughly the size of the Plus size iPhones (that is if it is an edge to edge screen), so that would be totally manageable for most people.

    Then again, the rumored device isn't meant to be a "phone" so this math could all be thrown out the window.
    I didn't even see this. Yeah a Z fold makes more sense and means that we get more normal screen ratios. And I think Microsoft is simply avoiding the word "phone" as a marketing tactic.
    03-22-2018 01:24 PM
  21. sreetvla's Avatar
    Its high time the mobile technology is to be changed just from improving on camera applications to a mobile device which is equivalent to laptop as well. The demand will be large. Hope we can expect this shortly from Microsoft
    03-23-2018 01:47 PM
  22. sreetvla's Avatar
    It can be like old Nokia E90. It had 2 screens. One on the surface and 2nd when you open like a laptop
    03-23-2018 01:52 PM
  23. DavidBS1989's Avatar
    It can be like old Nokia E90. It had 2 screens. One on the surface and 2nd when you open like a laptop
    What are you talking about? It's anything new about a new Windows Phone (Surface Phone or anything else)?
    03-24-2018 05:38 PM
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