05-23-2017 01:53 PM
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  1. nate0's Avatar
    Hey. Anything's possible
    04-22-2017 10:53 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Plot twist: WhartonBrooks actually has an investor, and all the money they need. At the (literal) last minute, said investor will "pledge" whatever is needed to hit $1.1 million. This way, they at least are guaranteed as many sales as how many devices were pledged in the crowdfunding campaign.
    Got a link?
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    04-23-2017 06:16 AM
  3. nate0's Avatar
    I thought that was hypothetical, a fictional plot twist.
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    04-23-2017 07:15 AM
  4. RumoredNow's Avatar
    That would be a silly game to play.
    04-23-2017 07:19 AM
  5. nate0's Avatar
    That would be a silly game to play.
    Yes, so I am skeptical up to this point.
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    04-23-2017 07:29 AM
  6. mikepalma's Avatar
    Still at 2%...

    Sent from mTalk
    04-23-2017 08:32 AM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    Got a link?
    You obviously aren't a Redditor.

    I thought that was hypothetical, a fictional plot twist.
    You got it!
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    04-24-2017 04:05 AM
  8. RumoredNow's Avatar
    You obviously aren't a Redditor.
    Nope. I look at Reddit occasionally if someone links it. Looks like a big stirred up bucket of hog slop to me.
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    04-24-2017 05:16 AM
  9. nate0's Avatar
    hog slop
    Ohh the good ole days. Like Grandma used to make it...
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    04-24-2017 06:37 AM
  10. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Well, fam. Last day to back this device that never stood a chance at making it to production.

    Cheers!
    05-15-2017 12:11 AM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    So, I'm back in. Have the cash built back up and I need to put my money where my mouth is.

    If, by some miracle, this goes forward that would be groovy by me.

    Again though, I'm really disillusioned by the apparent apathy of our user base.

    There is about 20 hours left in the campaign.
    05-15-2017 05:41 AM
  12. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Again though, I'm really disillusioned by the apparent apathy of our user base.
    My friend, you are mistaken if you think apathy of the user base is the main reason the "Moment" didn't get funded. There are many words I could use to describe the Windows Mobile community. Apathetic is not one of them.
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    05-15-2017 07:37 AM
  13. RumoredNow's Avatar
    The way I look at it (still) is this... A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

    When this was announced it was the only confirmed phone for W10M with a 2017 release. The sole entry into the field.

    Everyone is in hover mode waiting for a mystical Surface messiah to save us. Still no word other than "wait some more."

    Rumors of a maybe X3 refresh from HP. What does that even mean? Consumer oriented or more business stuff at high $? Nobody knows and still no announcement.

    Rumors of a new Alcatel. Still nobody knows for sure and they have unaddressed firmware issues with what they already have on the table and they are dragging their feet to get Idol 4S Windows released outside the US. Not auspicious. I like my Idol well enough, but the demonstarble lack of commitment from Alcatel leaves me cold in the end. And there is still no announcement.

    Later, after the crowdfund effort for Moment started, we heard of a Wileyfox phone. Cool. But UK only then maybe EU. When? Don't know. How far will it spread? Don't know. I still have a gut feeling the Wileyfox is the Moment rebadged. Something about the announcement makes me willing to bet it is so. And it would make sense as the territory that will be covered does not overlap Wharton Brooks' area. But again, this was not known until after the crowd fund and still no date.

    And then we have the recent news (after the crowd fund started) about Coship's AI PCphone... When? Again there is no telling.

    But meantime the only confirmed release for our platform is being passed by.

    We are sending a quite clear signal. Interpret that how you will... I still think it looks incredibly bad that the community won't support a new player and give them some momentum and incentive to grow. We'd rather let the only phone we know of for sure this entire year die on the vine.
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    05-15-2017 09:04 AM
  14. nate0's Avatar
    I agree with @RumoredNow. I do not know for sure how many users here were not willing to even support them. But it speaks more than words when a user base in the thousands on the forums here exist and only 102 backers are showing in the indiegogo campaign. Don't have to buy the phone to support them, and that is where I got disappointed.
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    05-15-2017 09:11 AM
  15. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    When this was announced it was the only confirmed phone for W10M with a 2017 release. The sole entry into the field.
    But meantime the only confirmed release for our platform is being passed by.
    We'd rather let the only phone we know of for sure this entire year die on the vine.
    An indiegogo, by a no name company that has literally zero track record in the industry, and requires $1,000,000 for production is hardly "confirmed."


    Later, after the crowdfund effort for Moment started, we heard of a Wileyfox phone.
    Unlike Wharton Brooks, Wileyfox is a reputable OEM. They have a record of actually producing and distributing hardware. Their entry into the market is far more encouraging.


    We are sending a quite clear signal.
    The market signal that there's a lack of interest in Windows Mobile was sent to OEMs long before this "Moment." Windows Mobile market share has been dwindling and stalled for a long time. 1% of the marketshare doesn't send clear signals. At least not ones that anyone cares about.


    Don't have to buy the phone to support them, and that is where I got disappointed.
    I'm all about ending world hunger. But I didn't give the cash in my wallet to the homeless guy I passed by on my way to work this morning. Would you chide me for that?

    Honestly - What are we accomplishing by guilting the Windows faithful for not supporting this failed venture? Being a Windows 10 Mobile user has enough challenges. One of the lowkey benefits is the unity and camaraderie of the fan base. See someone using a Lumia on the train? New friend! It's great!

    Let's give people the benefit of the doubt rather than calling their passion for the platform into question.
    05-15-2017 09:57 AM
  16. nate0's Avatar
    I'm all about ending world hunger. But I didn't give the cash in my wallet to the homeless guy I passed by on my way to work this morning. Would you chide me for that?

    Honestly - What are we accomplishing by guilting the Windows faithful for not supporting this failed venture? Being a Windows 10 Mobile user has enough challenges. One of the lowkey benefits is the unity and camaraderie of the fan base. See someone using a Lumia on the train? New friend! It's great!

    Let's give people the benefit of the doubt rather than calling their passion for the platform into question.
    Nobody should have to judge another for what he knows he ought to do, but we are not talking faith here. Windows 10 mobile devices. It is a consumer driven world my friend, and I should be disappointed to think in such a naive way that folks would up and at least cheer them on. However I am one to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, unless you are sitting right next to me as an open book. I will add that you do not even need buy the phone, and you do not even need to contribute 1 dollar. Let's just be positive. Again, I have no clue who I am chatting with on the web except for what they state in the context of posts...
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    05-15-2017 12:55 PM
  17. nate0's Avatar
    Nobody should have to judge another for what he knows he ought to do, but we are not talking faith here. Windows 10 mobile devices. It is a consumer driven world my friend, and I should be disappointed to think in such a naive way that folks would up and at least cheer them on. However I am one to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, unless you are sitting right next to me as an open book. I will add that you do not even need buy the phone, and you do not even need to contribute 1 dollar. Let's just be positive. Again, I have no clue who I am chatting with on the web except for what they state in the context of posts...
    With that said, I hope Cerulean over comes the challenges thus far :)
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    05-15-2017 12:56 PM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think the biggest thing that bothers me, support them or not, is the negativity. Why, so you can say "I told you so"?
    As others have said, at least cheer them on. What does that hurt?

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    05-15-2017 03:50 PM
  19. nate0's Avatar
    Exactly. I called an I individual out on a blog post for just flat out insulting Greg. The comment made was not even relevant to the blog topic at hand. I guess some feel the need to use the internet for their own personal game show.
    05-15-2017 04:51 PM
  20. anthonyng's Avatar
    wow the campaign is already almost over. Wonder what happens in 3hrs time....

    At least on the software side our existing (*cough* eligible) devices should keep getting more and more features!
    05-15-2017 11:28 PM
  21. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I think the biggest thing that bothers me, support them or not, is the negativity. Why, so you can say "I told you so"?
    As others have said, at least cheer them on. What does that hurt?
    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    No one here said "I told you so..."

    I think this whole "Moment" kerfuffle has been sad and embarrassing for everyone involved. No one wins here.
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    05-15-2017 11:46 PM
  22. anthonyng's Avatar
    It's all over the comments everywhere, all the naysayers waiting to pop the "told you so" card
    05-16-2017 12:04 AM
  23. Drael646464's Avatar
    1% of the marketshare doesn't send clear signals. At least not ones that anyone cares about.
    Interestingly the "install base" is more like 1-2.5% (the number of actual users out there in the wild). There are more users WITH windows 10 mobile phones in % than there are people out their buying new ones in %.

    Which suggests that OEMs aren't quite offering the right kind of proposition yet (as well as that UWP is a work in progress). Given the popularity of cheaper models, I think this may partly well be a better speced midrange offering that is missing.

    Budget devices are the growing market, and an area with win10 mobile has always done well, but the current offerings both have only 1gb of ram, and meagre storage.

    The rest of OEM releases have been focused more on the "flagship" idea, which maybe for HP and the 4s have worked to a degree, but I don't think the gap that seems to be present between "affordable" and "decent" is helping sales.
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    05-16-2017 01:34 AM
  24. nate0's Avatar
    I think they should do what Alcatel did, and offer a SD820 device. But do better on the fw/sw support side. But they would have to come at this from a whole other angle then the way they first did here.

    The IDOL 4s unlocked is under 280.00 still.
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    05-16-2017 01:49 AM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    I think they should do what Alcatel did, and offer a SD820 device. But do better on the fw/sw support side. But they would have to come at this from a whole other angle then the way they first did here.

    The IDOL 4s unlocked is under 280.00 still.
    Yeah the idol isn't bad price wise for what it is, for sure. For the ram and processor, and screen its low priced. I'd be tempted if the EU version supports my local frequencies for sure.

    But the only machine I feel justified in spending a lot of money on is something with grunt, like a PC or console. So as much as possible I shop midrange always with tablets and phones, specially seeing as the device turnover is high.

    I think if something like the last Moly phone had shipped worldwide with compatible frequencies, it would have sold quite fast relatively to say, the 950 or 650. It had good reviews, was decently spec'd and came at an attractive price. Only downside and it's kinda ***** was no insiders program. Which is kind of dealbreaker these days.
    05-16-2017 02:28 AM
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