04-10-2017 11:27 AM
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  1. RumoredNow's Avatar
    It's a phone.

    It has some specs...

    It has some backstory...

    The phone may not be revolutionary...

    But maybe the dream behind the phone is.

    Is it the phone? Is it the company? The dream behind bringing this to market? Your dream for Windows on Mobile?

    What is it that you Love? That you Hate? Does this story speak to you? Are you bored yet?

    Sound off on your thoughts about Wharton Brooks, Cerulean, the Moment, the crowdfunding, your views, the level of community support...

    What's your story and how does it tie in?
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    04-04-2017 01:34 PM
  2. leonelfunes32's Avatar
    I've seen the phone when Jason had that story with the guy and the phone, but personally, I only like that they at least attempted to make something.

    The phone itself, though, is not that inspiring. Huge top and bottom bezels, screen is just ok, the logo on the back is equally huge, and a lot of things look out of place (like the cameras). Might make a good mid-range phone.

    I believe they asked for just over $1M, but with the lack of interest for a Windows phone in general and a not-as-good-as-it-should-be hardware, I really doubt they'll reach it. I hope they do, but not holding my breath.

    But it's a good first attempt. Later on they might do something better.
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    04-04-2017 02:04 PM
  3. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Uh yup... It's midrange. It's just a start. I love the idea of a fan being behind the development. I can say from experience that the ODM has a tight build and good design philosophy.

    Later on they might do something better.
    Thing is, if this one doesn't launch, don't look for a second one. And that would just be downright depressing.
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    04-04-2017 02:34 PM
  4. Nate W's Avatar
    If it were an android phone people might be stumbling over each other to get it. I don't understand what exactly people are looking for in a phone from a startup company. Not to be mean but what exactly are you expecting for a sub 300 dollar phone?
    Last edited by Nate W; 04-04-2017 at 03:29 PM.
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    04-04-2017 02:46 PM
  5. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    If an angel investor can just scoop this up and care for the expenses I believe the moment has a chance.

    Like the Lumia 640, the phone does not inspire.

    I think though that if it gets to the market, people will realize how much "it fits their needs".

    This is the kind of response the 640 had before it was released but it turned out to become everyone's favorite Windows Phone because of what it offered.
    04-04-2017 02:55 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    If an angel investor can just scoop this up and care for the expenses I believe the moment has a chance.

    Like the Lumia 640, the phone does not inspire.

    I think though that if it gets to the market, people will realize how much "it fits their needs".

    This is the kind of response the 640 had before it was released but it turned out to become everyone's favorite Windows Phone because of what it offered.

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    04-04-2017 03:06 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    I think though that if it gets to the market, people will realize how much "it fits their needs".
    What is different about this phone than the myriad that preceded it?
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    04-04-2017 03:21 PM
  8. RumoredNow's Avatar
    What is different about this phone than the myriad that preceded it?
    There really hasn't been too many SD 617 devices on this platform. They all have been small regional releases. This has driven the price per unit up. So far as I can tell the Moment is the least expensive Continuum ready phone ever offered when considering MSRP at launch.

    $299 and that includes a $50+ valued Actiontek ScreenBeam Mini 2 Continuum edition accessory.

    Possibly the Lenovo Softbank 503LV was less $ on release, but I can only find anecdotal evidence that it was around $230 and no evidence it even released in Japan, let alone at that price... It had a lesser camera and I'm not sure it had GG3 on the back, perhaps just the plastic sheet that Moly W5 sported. Both the 503LV and the Moment are modified internals in a W5 frame/body.

    So, for the target market it represents a good value.

    Yes, some devices have fallen in price to below $299 and offer Continuum. 950 and 950 XL for example. Reference the build quality complaints and the fact that they are discontinued so we are looking at overstock blowout prices. The Moment is based on the Moly W5 and I found that to be built like a tank.

    Another example might be the Alcatel Idol 4S Windows... T-Mo is selling theirs now at a subsidized $288, but the factory unlocked is still $470. Only a better value if you are on T-Mo or can get it unlocked.

    Another reason this phone is different and why @tgp and others should care is that they want to be Verizon capable, they just couldn't come up with the cash for the certifications before release. If they succeed here they might rebound with a Vzw model or make the next one Vzw compliant.

    The most compelling reason for me is that the founder wants to be in Windows on Mobile for the long haul and is truly a fan (or fanatic) of the platform. A true rarity for us.
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 04-04-2017 at 04:02 PM.
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    04-04-2017 03:46 PM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    What I don't get is that they eschewed USB-C to save money but then turn around and include a Screenbeam Mini 2 Continuum Edition. I was a chronic truant but did I totally miss out on math?
    04-04-2017 04:33 PM
  10. Nate W's Avatar
    The most compelling reason for me is that the founder wants to be in Windows on Mobile for the long haul and is truly a fan (or fanatic) of the platform. A true rarity for us.
    Boldly going where no windows phone fan has gone before...;)
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    04-04-2017 04:35 PM
  11. Nate W's Avatar
    What I don't get is that they eschewed USB-C to save money but then turn around and include a Screenbeam Mini 2 Continuum Edition. I was a chronic truant but did I totally miss out on math?
    If it supports continuum period, I wonder and am curious how well a USB C to micro cable would handle another continuum dock? Any thoughts or technical ideas there? Not compatible?
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    04-04-2017 04:38 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If it supports continuum period, I wonder and am curious how well a USB C to micro cable would handle another continuum dock? Any thoughts or technical ideas there? Not compatible?
    We don't know if the micro-USB even supports USB-OTG to connect a wireless kb & mouse. Is it MHL-compliant to support video out? Using the phone's display as a trackpad and kb is good for short, rudimentary tasks but not for any lengthy productivity. I mean, that IS the whole point is it not? For banging out a quick email or a web search it'll take longer just to set up the wireless connection.

    For a phone being touted as having "disruptive features" it's missing the mark.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-04-2017 05:30 PM
  13. dov1978's Avatar
    Poor specs and poor name for a company. Yes it sounds petty but people care about buying a good phone and one that has a catchy name. Wharton Brooks sound like partners in a chartered accountancy firm or something. Crowd funding on a platform with next to no market share now is never going to work either. I feel for them I really do and I admire what they're trying to do and their passion for the platform but they're doing the leg work that Microsoft should have to begin with. It's not up to us to save Windows mobile and there's not enough left to do so anyway. Microsoft have laid their cards on the table as far as Windows mobile is concerned with the Galaxy s8 Microsoft Edition. They've created the smoothest path possible for the remaining fans to switch to Android and keep as much of the ecosystem as possible and all the Galaxy s8 stories on the news board in here are simply echoing that.
    Neeraj Ashu and anon(9803228) like this.
    04-04-2017 06:00 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Poor specs and poor name for a company. Yes it sounds petty but people care about buying a good phone and one that has a catchy name. Wharton Brooks sound like partners in a chartered accountancy firm or something. Crowd funding on a platform with next to no market share now is never going to work either. I feel for them I really do and I admire what they're trying to do and their passion for the platform but they're doing the leg work that Microsoft should have to begin with. It's not up to us to save Windows mobile and there's not enough left to do so anyway. Microsoft have laid their cards on the table as far as Windows mobile is concerned with the Galaxy s8 Microsoft Edition. They've created the smoothest path possible for the remaining fans to switch to Android and keep as much of the ecosystem as possible and all the Galaxy s8 stories on the news board in here are simply echoing that.

    The S8 hasn't reached users hands yet, why would anyone go blindly on what a blogger writes? That's a recipe for disappointment to the nth degree. Microsoft Edition - a clever way of saying "Hey, we talked Samsung into letting us put bloatware on their phones just for the privilege of putting our name on it".
    04-04-2017 06:40 PM
  15. RumoredNow's Avatar
    IF it is USB Dual Role, there is no reason it wouldn't dock.

    ScreenBeam Mini 2 Continuum has a port for your keyboard/mouse dongle. One universal dongle would do it for both as there is only one port.

    I have a couple questions stacked up... I'll see if I can get Dual Role answered and is it 2G capable.
    04-04-2017 07:24 PM
  16. RumoredNow's Avatar
    NOT really ranting at YOU @dov1978 as you are a good member here and I like you. But you summarized the self defeating attitude so well I had to quote it.

    It's not up to us to save Windows mobile and there's not enough left to do so anyway.
    See; 9 out of 10 are saying this. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is what gets me upset. The user base sits around saying it's gotta fail and guess what? It fails.

    Congrats to all y'all who want to rush out and post how farkin' CORRECT you are before the fact so you can say, "I told you so."

    This makes me sick. Literally sick to my stomach. The apathy and stinginess. And bully on you if you feel that way, but talking it up and converting everyone off the fence to feel that way as well. You might as well go around to all the users houses and smash their phones while you are at it.

    Yay! We killed 'er off that time, din't we.

    I mean it, I'm peeved as heck. Keep up the woe is me attitude. I hope it makes y'all happy.

    grumble grumble... meh
    04-04-2017 07:40 PM
  17. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    If an angel investor can just scoop this up and care for the expenses I believe the moment has a chance.

    Like the Lumia 640, the phone does not inspire.

    I think though that if it gets to the market, people will realize how much "it fits their needs".

    This is the kind of response the 640 had before it was released but it turned out to become everyone's favorite Windows Phone because of what it offered.
    I gotta say that my 640XL is probably my favorite WP of all time (the 1520 has a special place in my heart, but the 640XL was the perfect midranger). If the Moment is anything like that phone, it'll be a praiseworthy device. And although I bounce back and forth between Android and WM, I'm thinking about preordering just to support the company.
    04-04-2017 08:01 PM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    I think the name is kind of odd but I would say that I echo @greedo_greedy. To be honest, I like the specs. It seems like Microsoft totally forgot about the midrange. The 650 is barely midrange. Additionally, I'm glad for it just for the size too as well. I'm glad that these high end options have been available but everything has been huge (to me) in size. The devices that aren't huge have lame battery life.

    I'm nervous about the IndieGogo campaign idea but of course I understand why they did it.

    It would put the cherry on top if they could at least support VoLTE on T-Mo.
    04-04-2017 08:51 PM
  19. Nate W's Avatar
    I am going to purchase one regardless. Because I have hope here for W10M, and the more partners Microsoft has the better.

    As far as the phone goes, it will run great (from my perspective) I have no doubts about it. Even the Best of them tumbled at first out the gates (Elite X3) but only time will tell. The OS is in a good spot and getting better, so I hope some new faces look at it as an opportunity for another consumer device, which there was only 1 released out this way since 2016 started.

    It may be a long shot, but I really hope Cerulean gets some classic features in, maybe at least DTtW, glance maybe, or a color profile to go along with the Clearblack Display would be killer. Or if not out of the gate, they can partner with Microsoft some how to add those. The point here should be if you are looking for a W10 Phone, try and get it. I really want to see what lies after that door once they fullfill their goal, that is when the real fun will start.
    04-04-2017 10:43 PM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    As far as the phone goes, it will run great (from my perspective) I have no doubts about it.
    It's got the horsepower, no question.
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    04-05-2017 12:12 AM
  21. dov1978's Avatar
    NOT really ranting at YOU @dov1978 as you are a good member here and I like you. But you summarized the self defeating attitude so well I had to quote it.
    Hey rant away, we all have the right to and have good reason to here lol.

    Sorry if I upset you as I know you're championing this phone and what Wharton Brooks are trying to achieve. Like I said before and elsewhere I genuinely wish them well but I personally don't see it happening and like you I get peeved but mostly at Microsoft for leaving us fans and small companies to try and save the platform. That's my grievance. We're left scrambling around trying to get funding together to get a phone released on their platform whilst they throw their weight behind another phone on another platform to sell their services. It certainly won't make me happy seeing Windows completely die on mobile and it actually angers me when I go on iMore or Android Central and see discussions in the forums with people saying Windows mobile is dead or it died a while back. But is it enough for me to buy a phone just to make Microsoft leave the lights on a little longer if that's their plan? Not for me unfortunately, not whilst Microsoft are keeping quiet on it all and trying to pull the rug from beneath our feet.
    Last edited by dov1978; 04-05-2017 at 05:30 AM.
    04-05-2017 03:44 AM
  22. RumoredNow's Avatar
    We're left scrambling around trying to get funding together to get a phone released on their platform whilst they throw their weight behind another phone on another platform to sell their services.
    Yeah, that is another rant, but one I can support as well.

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    One last thing about this while I try and stabilize my blood pressure (Thanks #lisinopril & #amlodipine ).

    there's not enough left
    The actual amount needed to get involved is quite small really. Only 3900 who will risk $300 and if we get 3900 there is no risk as the order will get placed and we will get an actual device. It's not a concept. It's ready to rock.

    #OneOfThe3900
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    04-05-2017 12:48 PM
  23. anthonyng's Avatar
    I'm still looking for them to clearly update the page to say the streaming stick is included, I don't see it. I think it makes a huge difference.

    Also I can't seem to find a way to change my backing for more than one cerulean knight, or maybe I'm not allowed :) Don't want to pay individual shipping fees though!
    @dov1978 Windows mobile won't shut down... it's just windows and they will always be looking to make windows as small as possible for the smallest of devices. Buzzword/phrase IoT... everything is about iot and having these devices everywhere to provide us more information, faster, accurately.

    Look at how small windows holographic on hololens ended up being! I thought it was pretty damn good they got to that size of wearable, what two years ago?

    So whatever they call it, there will be a scaled down windows for as many types of devices as they can make possible. They wanted to make it for the band but failed to do it in a reasonable amount of time. Doesn't mean they can't, means they couldn't do it well, in time.

    And no, I didn't back/love this phone for the specs. I backed it because I like the idea of a low end continuum with streaming stick and hope they can become something like a OnePlus.

    The included screen beam was a very important factor for me, more than usb C because my target user is my parents. They're not going to fumble with a cable, put the phone down then grab the mouse and keyboard. They'll be doing it from the TV, from the couch and probably looking to click tiles I've helped them set up in the start menu... they are managing with the keyboard on phone now, so they can handle using the phone to type or talk.

    The simpler the interface, # of devices they have to deal with, the better chance of them adopting the technology more.
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    04-05-2017 02:51 PM
  24. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I'm still looking for them to clearly update the page to say the streaming stick is included, I don't see it. I think it makes a huge difference.

    Also I can't seem to find a way to change my backing for more than one cerulean knight, or maybe I'm not allowed :) Don't want to pay individual shipping fees though!
    mistagreg confirmed that the SB Mini 2 CE is included... I believe it will be. http://forums.windowscentral.com/cer...ml#post3645979

    Not sure if you can use your Knight perk more than once. The Moment for Us does include 2 complete phone/ScreenBeam sets and breaks down to $290 each... Not sure your folks need two ScreenBeams, but it would all ship as one I guess...
    04-05-2017 03:35 PM
  25. anthonyng's Avatar
    mistagreg confirmed that the SB Mini 2 CE is included... I believe it will be. http://forums.windowscentral.com/cer...ml#post3645979

    Not sure if you can use your Knight perk more than once. The Moment for Us does include 2 complete phone/ScreenBeam sets and breaks down to $290 each... Not sure your folks need two ScreenBeams, but it would all ship as one I guess...

    Yea it's just a visibility issue for those just finding their way to the indiegogo site. Cause my initial impression was oh that's all it is?... then later was, hey it includes streaming stick that's better.

    And one moment would be all that's necessary for my parents, I just figured I can back/support two :)
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    04-05-2017 03:58 PM
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