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  1. Momin Shaikh1's Avatar
    iphone : mp3 player+internet device+phone

    surface phone : pc+xbox+hololens+phone

    the hardware should be combination of four. they have to make a combined shell. shouldnt be impossible ? ?
    07-04-2017 01:40 AM
  2. raycpl's Avatar
    Gonna be priced out of reach of most.

    ...!!
    07-04-2017 02:11 AM
  3. Momin Shaikh1's Avatar
    it meant to be high end..u get full fleged pc .gaming & mixed reality experiences on a foldable phone..


    thus it has to be pricey
    and it should directly compare with high end iPhones !!
    07-04-2017 03:10 AM
  4. TgeekB's Avatar
    it meant to be high end..u get full fleged pc .gaming & mixed reality experiences on a foldable phone..


    thus it has to be pricey
    and it should directly compare with high end iPhones !!
    I don't think it would compete with iPhone. iPhone users don't want a PC in their pocket, they want the ecosystem that helps them throughout their day.
    07-04-2017 09:07 AM
  5. Momin Shaikh1's Avatar
    I don't think it would compete with iPhone. iPhone users don't want a PC in their pocket, they want the ecosystem that helps them throughout their day.
    i cant agree with u. people use smartphones for productivity. smartphones wont be so popular if it didnt have some pc capabilitis. pcs r ultimate productivity device. u get that in ur pocket with S. phone that is surely comparable with the rumored 1000$ price ranged iphone8
    07-04-2017 10:14 AM
  6. TgeekB's Avatar
    i cant agree with u. people use smartphones for productivity. smartphones wont be so popular if it didnt have some pc capabilitis. pcs r ultimate productivity device. u get that in ur pocket with S. phone that is surely comparable with the rumored 1000$ price ranged iphone8
    I guess we'll see.
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    07-04-2017 10:30 AM
  7. Ayrton01CZ's Avatar
    iPhone is for consumers while Surface Phone will target strictly managers and business people. With the functions and with the price tag as well. It should really be a phone that you can turn into a PC and check emails, work in Excel, Word, be on Skype, run company software etc. it will be a completely different kind of productivity than on iPhone. This will be really a device for work, rather than a phone.
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    07-04-2017 12:54 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    iPhone is for consumers while Surface Phone will target strictly managers and business people. With the functions and with the price tag as well. It should really be a phone that you can turn into a PC and check emails, work in Excel, Word, be on Skype, run company software etc. it will be a completely different kind of productivity than on iPhone. This will be really a device for work, rather than a phone.
    Agree. I'm not saying it won't have its place, just initially it will be enterprise and diehards. iPhone has nothing to worry about with consumers, for the next several years anyways.
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    07-04-2017 01:00 PM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    i cant agree with u. people use smartphones for productivity. smartphones wont be so popular if it didnt have some pc capabilitis. pcs r ultimate productivity device. u get that in ur pocket with S. phone that is surely comparable with the rumored 1000$ price ranged iphone8
    I have to disagree. Most iPhone users are into Twitter, Instagram and WhatsApp. They check an occasional email, Facebook post,etc. or YouTube clip but they generally don't care about productivity. I, on the other hand, don't have any of those apps I mentioned above except for FB so my wife can share a funny clip or picture. I want that productivity, hence my x3. But I know I'm in the extreme minority which is why I gravitate towards Windows and BlackBerry. The battle lines have been drawn and the consumer space belongs to iOS and Android. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking this mythical Surface Phone will come swinging down off its vine to slay the dragons in power. BlackBerry is very profitable as a service right now at the Enterprise table and Microsoft wants the bigger piece of chicken.

    Sent from my Elite x3 on mTalk
    07-04-2017 01:31 PM
  10. kaktus1389's Avatar
    i cant agree with u. people use smartphones for productivity. smartphones wont be so popular if it didnt have some pc capabilitis. pcs r ultimate productivity device. u get that in ur pocket with S. phone that is surely comparable with the rumored 1000$ price ranged iphone8
    Let me remind you that Android is the most used OS in the world. I think that says a lot against your statements since in emerging markets phones are slowly becoming people's main computing machines (India alone has 1.5 billion inhabitants, not to mention China's 2 billion). Lumia 950 & XL and HP Elite x3 had those PC capabilities and for some reason I don't think they sold well despite HP's decent attempt at marketing.

    Also people won't be buying the S8 and S8+ because of Samsung Dex, but because of the nice design and the apps that are present on Android. We're still very far from Continuum-like solutions becoming mainstream, most of the people just want a phone with apps that looks good as @TgeekB already mentioned.
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    07-04-2017 02:02 PM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think people confuse or have different definitions for productivity.
    There's working with data and editing spreadsheets, and then there's looking up where the best price for a widget is near your home. The second one is used by consumers 1000-1 over the first.
    07-04-2017 02:06 PM
  12. mtf1380's Avatar
    I think that the success of a Windows phone like product is going to depend on how 'uniquely' innovative it is, and how competitive resistant it is - I mean if the other two can duplicate all the features in their next intro cycle, than a Windows benefit would be short lived and ultimately be, for not. If the uniqueness level was comparable to what the Surface Pro introduced to the tablet market, and unable to be instantly copied, or closely duplicated for two or three of the competitors intro cycles, than I believe Windows Mobile could ride on the momentum of the Surface Brand, and would become a strong contender in the mobile market.
    07-04-2017 02:33 PM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think that the success of a Windows phone like product is going to depend on how 'uniquely' innovative it is, and how competitive resistant it is - I mean if the other two can duplicate all the features in their next intro cycle, than a Windows benefit would be short lived and ultimately be, for not. If the uniqueness level was comparable to what the Surface Pro introduced to the tablet market, and unable to be instantly copied, or closely duplicated for two or three of the competitors intro cycles, than I believe Windows Mobile could ride on the momentum of the Surface Brand, and would become a strong contender in the mobile market.
    I think you're right about uniqueness. Along with that it must have a positive user experience and great marketing so people begin to think differently and want to use it. Those two are the big stumbling blocks.

    If I have a device I'm happy with and covers my needs, why switch? Well, it's different, it can do "this"! Why do I care that it can do "this"? Because... (enter marketing campaign here). Kinda sounds like what Apple did, right? Remember how they sold being different? They also backed it up with a great user experience and best in class support. It doesn't mean it can't be done again, but does MS have what it takes to pull it off?
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    07-04-2017 06:00 PM
  14. Guytronic's Avatar
    Has anyone who works for Microsoft been saying anything at all anywhere about this "Surface Phone"?

    I'd really like to know.
    fatclue_98, N_LaRUE and libra89 like this.
    07-04-2017 07:43 PM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    Has anyone who works for Microsoft been saying anything at all anywhere about this "Surface Phone"?

    I'd really like to know.
    Who knows, that's the problem.
    Suspense can work in your favor, but if you wait too long people get tired of waiting.
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    07-04-2017 07:54 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Has anyone who works for Microsoft been saying anything at all anywhere about this "Surface Phone"?

    I'd really like to know.
    Yeah, Peter Rabbit and Mac the knife.

    Sent from my Elite x3 on mTalk
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    07-04-2017 08:09 PM
  17. Guytronic's Avatar
    Maybe HMD\Nokia will build the Surface phone that runs Android :)
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    07-04-2017 10:11 PM
  18. travisel's Avatar
    ASUS makes "Surface" for MS

    A "Surface Phone Pro" that could run Android 8 (App level 26) apps would be fantastic! App problem solved! But with with Win10M RS3 OS that also can run PC Win32 software at the same time!

    Snapdragon 836 & 6GB of RAM, 64GB/128GB UFS v2, MicroSDXC UHS I, 5"/6" 4K OLED, 4000 mAh battery (lithium-metal) are some upcoming hardware that will be boned iPhone 8 (iOS11)

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
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    07-04-2017 11:37 PM
  19. Momin Shaikh1's Avatar
    I think you're right about uniqueness. Along with that it must have a positive user experience and great marketing so people begin to think differently and want to use it. Those two are the big stumbling blocks.

    If I have a device I'm happy with and covers my needs, why switch? Well, it's different, it can do "this"! Why do I care that it can do "this"? Because... (enter marketing campaign here). Kinda sounds like what Apple did, right? Remember how they sold being different? They also backed it up with a great user experience and best in class support. It doesn't mean it can't be done again, but does MS have what it takes to pull it off?

    well..why switch ? samsung sells a lot of phone each year. the s6 can easily handle general consumer needs : using fb.twiiter.instagram & playing some games. then why buy a s8 when u can do all things nicely on a s6?? why buy an iphn7 when u can play things nicely on iphn6 ??c

    apart from hardware changes, the software remains the same.
    but in the end of the day, both samsung & apple manages to sell their phones in a bigger number!! how?? why people bother to buy a new phone every year??

    I think that answers all. waiting for the ultimate productivity phone!!
    07-04-2017 11:54 PM
  20. Momin Shaikh1's Avatar
    ASUS makes "Surface" for MS

    A "Surface Phone Pro" that could run Android 8 (App level 26) apps would be fantastic! App problem solved! But with with Win10M RS3 OS that also can run PC Win32 software at the same time!

    Snapdragon 836 & 6GB of RAM, 64GB/128GB UFS v2, MicroSDXC UHS I, 5"/6" 4K OLED, 4000 mAh battery (lithium-metal) are some upcoming g that will be boned iPhone 8 (iOS11)

    Sent from Lumia 950XL
    Asus? sounds interesting!!

    well the screen has to be foldable for running win32 apps. if it runs Android , making UWP apps will not have any point. rather it can have an android emulator for getting people used to use the phone. then devs will automagically make the native UWP switch.

    combination of hololens camera, lite xbox gaming & pc capabilities will make the s.phone stand out from the rest.

    pc + lite xbox gaming + hololens camera + phone = Surface Phone!!
    Last edited by Momin Shaikh1; 07-05-2017 at 12:29 AM.
    07-05-2017 12:00 AM
  21. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    pc + lite xbox gaming + hololens camera + phone = Surface Phone!!
    A portable device that has that kind of power simply doesn't exist. Battery power will always be an issue, unless you want some big clunky thing, then you might as well get a laptop.

    Not only that, it would be priced way to high that anyone would want to pay for it.

    You can make 'anything' the question is, will people buy it and will it be worthwhile?

    Regardless what this 'mythical' savour phone might be, Microsoft has to want to sell it. Going by what we know so far, there's little desire for phones and then you still need to attract people away from what they know already. Good luck with that.
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    07-05-2017 01:45 AM
  22. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    well..why switch ? samsung sells a lot of phone each year. the s6 can easily handle general consumer needs : using fb.twiiter.instagram & playing some games. then why buy a s8 when u can do all things nicely on a s6?? why buy an iphn7 when u can play things nicely on iphn6 ??c

    apart from hardware changes, the software remains the same.
    but in the end of the day, both samsung & apple manages to sell their phones in a bigger number!! how?? why people bother to buy a new phone every year??

    I think that answers all. waiting for the ultimate productivity phone!!
    The answer to these questions is desire. Some people want the latest and greatest hardware. Some like the idea of 'new'. The S8 and S8+ brought out the idea of curved screen and virtually bezeless phone.

    With iPhone it's a similar thing. It's the hype. The idea of having the best. It's really personal opinion at the end of the day.

    Consumer mentality is about having what others don't have and making people want to have it. It's shallow but that's how it works.

    That's why Microsoft has an uphill battle with consumers. The question will always be, is Windows Mobile desirable?

    I personally think their target audience is enterprise and I think that's where they should have started to being with. They probably would have done better.
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    07-05-2017 01:50 AM
  23. Guytronic's Avatar
    I actually can't think of anything that I need that my smartphone doesn't give me at this point in time.

    Look and feel, camera, e-mail, messaging, social media, apps available and general ease of use with good battery time are just about perfect for me with my chosen device.

    Too much is a determent as far as I see.
    I think name brand device manufacturers are having difficulty figuring out what the best balance is.
    These days it's getting very hard to charge big money for phones that really don't elevate the technology by much.
    07-05-2017 01:59 AM
  24. Momin Shaikh1's Avatar
    A portable device that has that kind of power simply doesn't exist. Battery power will always be an issueu, unless you want some big clunky thing, then you might as well get a laptop.

    Not only that, it would be priced way to high that anyone would want to pay for it.
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    running on arm processor should not hamper battery life. u should take a look a concept named surface note which is based on ms patent which isnt BIG CLUNKY .beleive me that looks sexier than any iPhones.

    price should not higher than top end iphones. price may be a little higher bcoz of dual screens but that should worth it.
    07-05-2017 04:06 AM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    I'd settle for a functional graphics card in my PC.
    07-05-2017 04:45 AM
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