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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Tablets were not supposed to replace the smartphone. The "surface mobile" is supposed to (i hope)
    What makes you think the Surface Unicorn is going to be a smartphone form factor? I haven't heard or read anything indicating this to be so.
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    09-17-2017 07:08 PM
  2. AccentAE86's Avatar
    I agree as well. Even if they are focusing on enterprise, if you expect someone to replace their phone with your device, you should provide at least a camera that is equal to what you have on iPhone or Pixel.
    Many people were willing to give windows phone a shot BECAUSE it had unparalleled camera technology. Myself included.

    The 950, while still not as good as the 1020 I loved, is still nothing short of excellent camera-wise.

    If a "surface" phone type of device has a mediocre camera... then really there is no motivation for me to stay.

    I don't know if MS remembers how the fricken awesome CAMERA is pretty much the ONLY thing that brought Windows Phone (not talking pre 7) to it's highest smartphone marketshare ever, hitting as much as 15% in some geographic areas.

    People can RELATE and understand cameras. People WANT excellent cameras on their phones. EVERYBODY USES THEIR CAMERAS. EVERYBODY CAN RELATE! So when Nokia had the undisputed BEST of the BEST, it's no wonder people actually started coming, because it had something the general user could RELATE to. Now, pair that WITH the productivity of Continuum, cshell and all the other new stuff MS is planning, and they have their best chance at success.

    But without it... I feel like it'll be the ONE missing piece that would have been able to push windows on mobile into the pool of success.
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    09-20-2017 09:40 AM
  3. Jeff Bramwell's Avatar
    If Microsoft could provide an ecosystem, I would not purchase the "Surface" phone unless it had a great camera. Primarily because all other high end smartphones today have pretty decent cameras.

    However, unless they can somehow magically include a well-stocked app ecosystem with the "Surface" phone, I'm not sure there is anything they could add to the device that would cause me to buy one.

    I love the Windows Mobile OS and used Windows phones for years, that is, until I moved to Android last year (for various reasons). Unfortunately, the platform just didn't do well enough to keep it in the market. I'd love to see it come back but I'm not holding my breath.
    09-20-2017 09:40 AM
  4. Scott McBurney's Avatar
    Being that we are talking about the mythical "Surface Phone", and Microsoft's Surface line of products are supposed to represent the best things and new form factors, with huge attention to detail by Microsoft, I would expect a surface phone to have a camera at least on par with the lumia 950xl, if not something better.
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    09-20-2017 09:45 AM
  5. MSFTMatt's Avatar
    I would hope they have zeiss lenses again. My Lumia 928 albeit less pixels than my Alcatel Idol 4S takes better pictures still. I would hope they have multiple types of devices. Obviously for enterprise as a mobile PC and phone combo (continuum) a super camera is a waste. But for me, I would like to have a Lumia 1020 camera option. I hope this Andromeda pans out to enable Surface to have multiple personalities or more surfaces, pun totally intended
    09-20-2017 09:50 AM
  6. ladydias's Avatar
    It needs a great camera and, if not, then the form factor and functionality had better be on point or it's a no-go. A bad camera on an expensive, top-of-the-line phone is unacceptable and will only give reviewers yet another reason to ding the device.
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    09-20-2017 09:54 AM
  7. TechFreak1's Avatar
    The "best" Windows phone, according to a WC article, is the Elite x3 and its camera is mediocre at best.

    Sent from my HP Elite x3 on mTalk
    Personally, I would say over all it's the best Windows Phone right now and that is true... it's not like we have many options to pick from... .

    The surface phone must absolutely have a best camera in market place, there are no ifs or buts.

    It is a must.

    There are many reasons why it must have the best camera as:

    a)Otherwise it will give the naysayers something to complain about endlessly.

    b)They have a long way to mending bridges and plopping for a sub par crappy camera is another sledge hammer to the teeth of the people who have stayed with Windows Phone all this time.

    c)The best camera is the one you keep in your pocket.

    d)There competitor flagships phones have leap frogged Microsoft in that department and they will need the best to even be considered in the same class. Let alone to redefine a category. Not many people use Win32 Applications these days.

    e)The camera is what showcases the abilities phone's screen as when you take a picture say a family moment and what do you do?

    You generally share that experience via everyone gathering around your phone screen and looking at it the photo from multiple angles. As well as panning or zooming for the little details that gave that particular family moment the element of magic thus making it very memorable.

    The list is endless.
    09-20-2017 09:57 AM
  8. Pavel Gotze's Avatar
    Do we really need such articles?
    09-20-2017 10:07 AM
  9. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    I agree as well. Even if they are focusing on enterprise, if you expect someone to replace their phone with your device, you should provide at least a camera that is equal to what you have on iPhone or Pixel.
    Yes. A surface phone with a bad camera is not a phone worth buying or recommending. For me the benchmark to beat is that the camera must be better than the lumia 1520 and 950xl. Of these devices both camera's are good. With better the next things have to be adressed:

    1. sharper and more natural photo's. Of the many years I've used a smartphone camera I'm still convinced a better, more high quality lens and glass is the way to go. I think the 20 megapixel cmos sensors are fine. Much better would be the 40 mpix cmos sensor of the lumia 1020, but I have found the 20 mpix a good compromise. I don't think software can improve the picture much better. I have found that more agressive software tweaking is causing pictures to look more like artificial paintings, rather that a true image.

    2. better low life photography. They are okay on the 1520 and 950 xl, but not good.

    3. a screw mount on the device so we can mount lenses to the default lens.

    4. stable and sharp 1080 p video. Basic 1080 30 fps shooting is okay on the 950xl, but stretching it on the 1520. But both 1080 p are some has sensitive to frame loss or jerky video capture instabilities when moviing the camera about a bit. You really have to do your best to prevent sudden jeryky movements to causes the capture to influence the hardware capture device. I have a suspition this can be achied by a stable 2K video camera to take footage and then oversample is for 1080 p, much like the 1020 does for sharp 8 mpix images from oversampled 40 mpix images.

    If these four issues are adressed, that would be a great windows 10 mobile device with a great camera.
    09-20-2017 10:08 AM
  10. Bai's Avatar
    Camera is one of the BIG reason to pay for a highend phone, just look at how many time people asked how's the camera on the X3 compared to 950s. Look are phone reviews and see where they position the camera section. A great reliable(looking at you MS) camera on the phone is not just for taking vacation pic, it also make you more efficient. It help you read fine print, post ad on ebay, insurance claim, doc scan, take notes...etc. If not for the camera and camera button a lot of use will be using a Acer phone or 640/50 instead 950s.
    09-20-2017 10:11 AM
  11. Gundesalf's Avatar
    It is Carl Zeiss kind of important. I still wish the Lumia 1020 was Windows 10-compatible. That much important.
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    09-20-2017 10:13 AM
  12. Stamatis Dakos's Avatar
    Of course guys. We come from Nokia Lumia!
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    09-20-2017 10:17 AM
  13. aphrophyre's Avatar
    I agree as well. Even if they are focusing on enterprise, if you expect someone to replace their phone with your device, you should provide at least a camera that is equal to what you have on iPhone or Pixel.
    If this is a consumer facing device, then they absolutely CANNOT skimp on the camera. Everyone here wants a CONSUMER focused device. We do not want enterprise devices masquerading as consumer devices.
    09-20-2017 10:28 AM
  14. Sin Ogaris's Avatar
    I agree as well. Even if they are focusing on enterprise, if you expect someone to replace their phone with your device, you should provide at least a camera that is equal to what you have on iPhone or Pixel.
    I use my phone for photos and video a lot, a poor/average camera would be a major deal breaker for me.
    09-20-2017 10:32 AM
  15. neilbey's Avatar
    It's a relatively small thing that can make a huge amount of difference. Lumias were known for their camera quality, and taking a step back from that leading position in the market would not do MS and their new phone line (whatever that may be) any favors.
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    09-20-2017 10:36 AM
  16. nandakishorem98's Avatar
    Most people pick good camera phones. I think Surface Phone should have good camera which can take on iPhone and other phones.
    09-20-2017 10:39 AM
  17. Cosmin Petrenciuc's Avatar
    Even if the Surface Phone would be an enterprise focused device it will still have an above than average camera. Let's not forget that once upon the time Nokia and Microsoft were leaders in smartphone camera.
    If it will be a consumer focused device, being marketed as the ultimate mobile computing device, I think it will have to have the best possible camera.
    For me the mobile photography means a lot. I wouldn't invest in an expensive new smartphone/pocketable PC/mobile computing device if it wouldn't have a very good camera and a very good app for taking photos.
    09-20-2017 10:45 AM
  18. rchillin's Avatar
    The "best" Windows phone, according to a WC article, is the Elite x3 and its camera is mediocre at best. Does that answer your question?

    Sent from my HP Elite x3 on mTalk
    I bought an 950 off eBay because of the mediocre optics on my elite x3 (which the Microsoft Store replaced my 950 XL with)

    Camera optics being important is putting it midly and one of my biggest concern. I feel that Microsoft with such a device will play to its strengths which is the enterprise. And the HP Elite x3 is exactly great at what its for...an enterprise device.
    09-20-2017 10:53 AM
  19. n7slc's Avatar
    Important on existing phones, yes. Would I buy it? Can't buy what doesn't exist. #vaporware
    09-20-2017 11:08 AM
  20. efektos's Avatar
    Originally posted by Sedp23
    What if there is no surface phone
    It exists. Someone who's responsible for the development of some of its hardware, told me of its existence.
    That someone is 100% reliable.
    09-20-2017 11:30 AM
  21. salazka's Avatar
    Just for fun and giggles let's pretend it does exist

    If the camera is not great I am not buying one.
    It has to be at least as good as Lumia 925.

    (Surface Phone doesn't exist. It was just a red herring to make people think there is a secret mobile somewhere, instead of the humongous failure to defend Microsoft's WP unique identity.)
    09-20-2017 11:34 AM
  22. Adrian Frej's Avatar
    Camera needs to be great. Main reason I did not get HP is the camera.
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    09-20-2017 11:54 AM
  23. ZSkeledzic's Avatar
    When Microsoft or one of their numerous OEM partners issue true flagship Windows 10 phone device, it must have ALL hardware specs maxed, not only camera! Anything lesser would bring on the market just another half baked product, such as Lumia 950 or HP's and Alcatel's recent efforts... Dell should finally save the day with ultimate XPS Phone for consumer, and Latitude Phone for enterprise customers! :-)
    09-20-2017 11:59 AM
  24. Williaml99's Avatar
    Yes, you need a great camera.
    09-20-2017 12:19 PM
  25. Vivio vrvly's Avatar
    One generation better than every other phone would be satisfactory. XZP included.
    mtf1380 likes this.
    09-20-2017 12:27 PM
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