12-11-2017 01:03 AM
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  1. abrichman's Avatar
    They should work with VMWare to make a virtual machine environment, like parallels on mac.
    Not sure this moves the meter. Say they were to convince VMware to write a port to Android so they could run a Windows Mobile hypervisor, think the issue gets worse than it is today. Not only are you fighting the "no apps" argument (if your interest is to supplant the host), now you are a Type 2 hypervisor that would potentially get knocked off it's rocker with a firmware changes to the underlying host. You would probably benefit more from having a Hyper-V guest in a current Windows Mobile device that ran Android Oreo (or whatever letter treat we are on today) in some sort of integrated mode (like VMware's Unity Mode) so that you wouldn't know you are running inside the guest OS. I assume MS would have done this if it was feasible to do so with either licensing Android OS as a Guest or there weren't issues with running a hypervisor on an ARM Cortex host.
    WandowsTan likes this.
    11-19-2017 09:37 PM
  2. BanditoTR's Avatar
    Fo a quick web search and use win 32 apps instead. They tend to be better anyways.
    11-19-2017 10:26 PM
  3. mwright53's Avatar
    At this point, my expectations or so low that I don't really care anymore.
    G4Grandad likes this.
    11-20-2017 12:33 AM
  4. thomasthomaslai's Avatar
    what are people 's experience running android amulator I heard Blackberry tried without much success, even chrombooks are not running perfectly, what about bluestack for windows?
    11-20-2017 05:22 AM
  5. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    That would not be a problem if Android stopped competing on Windows on price. Right now it is cheaper, and more feasible, to just get a cheap Android for Android apps, than to deal with Android apps on Windows Phone which would inevitably require more powerful hardware to do the same that Android can do on less capable hardware. It sounds great in theory though.

    The real advantage would be clean devices with no bloatware, and the ability to run every app off of the SD card, but that's really where the advantages would end. Plus Microsoft would need to gain access to Google Play Services to make it worthwhile, so they would have to pay the Google tax.

    Microsoft just needs to give us an Android phone and be done with it already. No need to emulate, because there isn't anything on Windows Mobile worth switching back to. I'd rather have Microsoft as an Android OEM. It sickens me to see Samsung Galaxy 8 sold in the store when Microsoft could be an OEM and sell their own Android devices in their own store.

    I just don't get it. There is no shame in being an OEM. Microsoft was never a serious contender in hardware anyway. The only thing they ever had was the Surface and the Xbox. Zune, depending on who you ask. That's it. I think they have a mouse and a keyboard that people swear by but phones, it just isn't going to happen unless Microsoft adopts to the marketplace. Isn't Blackberry now running full Android on their devices? At Microsoft would be able to move hardware in this space if they adopted Android. We know that the UI would be good. And we know that you would get exactly what you need, without any bloat, if they were to do it. I just can't wrap my mind around it. I would definitely purchase a phone from Microsoft if they were to do this.
    Last edited by Christopher Kendalls; 11-20-2017 at 07:15 AM.
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    11-20-2017 07:01 AM
  6. c4995z's Avatar
    Yes, I want to be able to access any app on the platform of my choice, or on the one which is most conveniently available to me. And developers want to make their products available to the largest audience at the least effort at the lowest commission competitive. This means letting iOS and Android apps flow freely to the Windows platform.

    It is a shame that the scarce resources of humanity must be spent to build three copies of the same program, one for iOS, one for Android, and one for legacy desktop. Or, that additional effort must be spent writing to some middle, least common denominator environment. The walls which have been built only serve platform monopolist who seek to enslave customers and developers in a financially abusive relationship.

    Nadella, Tear Down This Wall! Let the apps flow freely and seek their natural destination on the platforms on which people choose to use vs have to use. My ability to use the rich functionality which may exist in the Android or iOS marketplace should not be determined by someone else's opinion of whether I should be allowed to or not. On the way to building the ultimate mobile device, build the ultimate platform which allows unbound access to any app of my choice!
    11-20-2017 07:02 AM
  7. Vincent McLaughlin's Avatar
    Xbox is far from being too small of an ecosystem. The real problem is, it doesn't make sense to have all UWP apps to be available on Xbox. Some apps just wouldn't make sense to have on Xbox.
    11-20-2017 07:51 AM
  8. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    The question would be what would MSFT have to gain by doing that? From a hardware perspective, what could MSFT contribute into an already congested market that would rival the Pixel, latest Galaxy or Note or iPhone? Even when MSFT was producing phones at a more consistent basis, the real feature that was the tip of the spear used to be the camera features, especially on the LUMIA's. Windows hello is a great feature, but Apple and Android have similar features that are equivalent. If I'm an iPhone user or Android user, I don't think I'd be looking at a MSFT designed Android phone. From a software perspective, it would do nothing to further MSFT's push for the Windows OS either. The "app gap" is a factor for those who have transitioned to another platform, but for many who never even witnessed an Windows phone, it was never about the lack of apps, but what UI they are used to. To most of my friends the live tiles provide too much information to process. I think they're just conditioned to the generic icons of the iPhone and Android, but to each their own right?
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    11-20-2017 08:10 AM
  9. diego3336's Avatar
    With Windows 10 on ARM, I think MS should make their own version of Android to run alongside with Windows 10 on ARM, with the "MS Android" running when the device is in Phone mode and Windows running when docked.

    MS can do that and isn't that difficult, considering Android is open source and MS is the only one that has access to the whole Windows source code, nobody else has this 'privilege' to have access to the source codes of both OSes
    11-20-2017 08:32 AM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    The question would be what would MSFT have to gain by doing that? From a hardware perspective, what could MSFT contribute into an already congested market that would rival the Pixel, latest Galaxy or Note or iPhone?
    I think that a Microsoft-produced Android phone would be the first consideration for many ex-WM users. But whether they'd end up buying one is another story. It would no doubt be designed to promote Microsoft's services, which is probably their ultimate goal in a mobile device anyway.

    How many WP/WM users bought them because they were Microsoft fans though? I think a lot of users had them because they were Nokia. Some became Microsoft fans, while others are following Nokia to their current Android devices.

    Disclaimer: I'm not saying that I think Microsoft should produce an Android phone. I don't. I'm just offering an alternate perspective.
    11-20-2017 09:13 AM
  11. Joe Danko's Avatar
    If there's one company that can create flawless emulators, it's Microsoft. They've proven them selves with Xbox 360 on One and Windows 10 on ARM. So why not creating a built-in emulator for android or ask Bluestacks developers to build one for Surface? If this device is a Windows PC then it can easily handle the current Bluestacks app for Windows with no problem. However a built-in version is always better for performance. With this simple solution app gap will no longer be a problem. Who doesn't love a pocket sized PC that can run APKs like any other android device?
    I have used Bluestacks and ANDY Android emulators but the now I use NOX. NOX is so much better than anything else. NOX refers to itself as an Android Player. NOX has so much more in the way of controls and features, MS could do worse than adopt it as it stands.
    11-20-2017 09:35 AM
  12. WandowsTan's Avatar
    Why cant you just let it go and get an android phone instead ? do you really wanna kill the optimization windows mobile has cause the last time black berry tried this, it killed their market and sent it spiraling down so fast that they eventually had to utterly ditch their own platform, now blackberry is just a modified version of android and nothing more yet it still doesn't sell enough cause what they did killed their own market and drove away the majority of fans who where there for the platform experience. If ever they try that with windows mobile it will kill the platform and the windows store including UWP , all in one go so its best you stop calling yourself a Microsoft fan if you want android apps to be emulated on your Windows phone, its time to move on. you should get yourself a stock android phone and customize it into a phone that relies on Windows services instead, cause that is much easier to do than complain about it here, you should have some sense and not waste time on nonsense.
    covfefe likes this.
    11-20-2017 10:19 AM
  13. Pairadyce's Avatar
    Google didn't even want to make apps for the Windows OS (which started the death of the app ecosystem), what do they gain from having Microsoft as an OEM? Not like your Microsoft account will ever coherently sync with your Google account. Microsoft would be better off trying to coerce Apple to port their store apps with their conversion project they abandoned. At least Apple showed a willingness to align by working on an iTunes UWP, but even that has been virtually forgotten since it was announced. On would think they would have released that before the death of Groove but now it just seems like Apple said "nah, never mind" and then Microsoft said "well, I guess use Spotify"

    I think it would be good to have more apps, but practically it is nonsensical for both companies.
    11-20-2017 10:24 AM
  14. tecknotot's Avatar
    What if Microsoft purchased only the Android part of Google and combined the best of both worlds? I found the UX on Windows Phone to be the best of any smartphone out on the market.
    11-20-2017 10:49 AM
  15. Stiv X's Avatar
    Did it work for Blackberry?
    11-20-2017 11:01 AM
  16. Krystianpants's Avatar
    First you had the internet. Everything was done on webpages and native experiences suffered.
    Then you had the explosion of apps. Everyone moved the internet into apps. This has become a huge problem as every website or web application wants to be an app.
    Now will come the progressive web app world that combines the web and app experiences together. No need to emulate anything. Standard interfaces for native app experiences plus whatever extras an operating system may offer that is unique.
    This will really leave gaming as the focus for sometime. Except, gaming is going to eventually go into the cloud. Operating systems will go into the cloud. You will likely be running dumb terminals that are equipped with nothing but input interfaces and sensors. Operating systems will likely become subscription services that allow you to choose which your device uses.
    11-20-2017 11:42 AM
  17. tomakali's Avatar
    If there's one company that can create flawless emulators, it's Microsoft. They've proven them selves with Xbox 360 on One and Windows 10 on ARM. So why not creating a built-in emulator for android or ask Bluestacks developers to build one for Surface? If this device is a Windows PC then it can easily handle the current Bluestacks app for Windows with no problem. However a built-in version is always better for performance. With this simple solution app gap will no longer be a problem. Who doesn't love a pocket sized PC that can run APKs like any other android device?
    NO! Big NO! for emulators...
    Instead it would be better if Microsoft can create a hybrid "winux" filesystem which can let the OS support .appx and .apk files natively.
    it would be still better if it was named Andromeda OS
    the dawn of New Microsoft
    11-20-2017 11:49 AM
  18. Mike Buckhurst's Avatar
    The boat has sailed for Windows mobile, there's no point reviving it. If they want me to buy a new folding screen mobile connected PC, it's going to need to replace my Galaxy S8+ and therefore run the apps that I need. I got this phone because I was finding life traveling around the US was getting more difficult without all the airline, hotel and uber apps. I still wish I could use my 950XL daily, but it simply doesn't manage. So I travel with a Surface Pro 4 and a Galaxy S8+, but if they produce a powerful folding PC that can replace both, I'll jump at the chance, but it has to run the business apps I need both on Windows and on Android, but mostly I couldn't care less whether they talk to each other.

    I wouldn't build an Android emulator though, I'd build a phone emulator, if you could make a windows PC behave as though it was a Samsung or LG or whatever, you'd get round the issues of the Google apps, so long as it appears to the outside world as a real phone, everything should work, including updates.
    vt12 likes this.
    11-20-2017 02:10 PM
  19. lumianok smart's Avatar
    Why not make a 'bridge' towards the other way? UWPs could get a push if they would be available on Android? Maybe include it preinstalled with cooperation of other manufacturers. For sure it wont be that easy but might be another solution. What do you guys think?
    11-20-2017 04:09 PM
  20. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    I agree on the surface an android emulator on windows 10 or windows 10 mobile sounds wonderful. But when it comes to emulators, it immediately reminds me about project centennial for legacy apps. Spotify recently did this. Likely the software engineering is simply amazing, but the experience is hideous. The UI/UX is cringingly slow. If this is for every android app in an emulator, please no android emulator!!! Please use Xamarin instead and just develop a UWP app. It may be sound to do emulator's as a business solution/tool, but please let's also consider a good productive experience as well, instead of ending up back 30 years, despite modern powerful hardware and better software solutions. An emulator is not per se better. But get the performance and stability right simultaneously out of the box, then off course you have my blessing.
    11-20-2017 04:59 PM
  21. M_A_Adams's Avatar
    I think that Android would be a BAD idea, they do nothing to safeguard what is in the store, there is as many dangerous apps as safe ones. As much as I hate to say it, collaboration with the evil apple empire would be much wiser. At least they maintain the necessary safety precautions.
    11-20-2017 07:17 PM
  22. naddy6969's Avatar
    Lol, the “app gap” no longer exists. The problem is now the OS. Windows 10 is not a mobile OS. There, I said it.

    Cramming Windows 10 into a “telephony enabled tablet pc with a folding screen” is a silly idea. But of course it looks great to Microsoft, and most people here. Because when all you have is a desktop OS, all devices tend to look like desktop PCs. Like when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

    Windows 10 will never have MOBILE apps. It is not a mobile OS. It is too old, too heavy, too barnacle encrusted. Just accept that “Windows Mobile” is done, and move on. Life is much simpler when you are no longer fighting battles from 3 years ago.
    theefman likes this.
    11-20-2017 08:17 PM
  23. Emil Y's Avatar
    I think the comment about making .apk files work on Windows Phone, and that there shouldn't be a proper emulator. Maybe there should be an app that has the sole purpose of running apps from play store, and you could download the apps onto that so there would be a list of all the android apps you had downloaded and you could use them all. They would of course have to have maximum integration with the phone's hardware services as possible, i.e. gps, wifi because otherwise there would be no point
    11-21-2017 12:48 PM
  24. abrichman's Avatar
    I think the comment about making .apk files work on Windows Phone, and that there shouldn't be a proper emulator. Maybe there should be an app that has the sole purpose of running apps from play store, and you could download the apps onto that so there would be a list of all the android apps you had downloaded and you could use them all. They would of course have to have maximum integration with the phone's hardware services as possible, i.e. gps, wifi because otherwise there would be no point
    That is the essence of virtualization. Issue is that there are one of at least two issue as I mention above.
    11-22-2017 12:30 AM
  25. Chaos2000's Avatar
    Microsoft don't need to make a Android emulator, The only way they can come back and bite Android & Apple is to run win32 apps with xap, it might seem impossible but it can be done, Microsoft has everything as a Software Giant so why wasting consumers time, the phone doesn't have to be exactly like a PC but it can function like one, If Microsoft can put in exe and xap together than Android & Apple will have their demise, The reason is apps is not real like original pc software files, so Microsoft need to step up and stop running around looking for another way out, they have all the tools they just need to use it to bring a pocket pc to life.
    11-22-2017 05:24 PM
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