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  1. paulsalter's Avatar
    Lets say MS is trying
    Very true, and hopefully come release time nearly everyone will be happy
    10-05-2014 04:25 AM
  2. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Clean install 8.1, and then tell me if your statements hold true after that.
    even if it does , he probably will still crib about it :D :P
    10-05-2014 05:30 AM
  3. salmanahmad's Avatar
    dude calm down,vaio fit15 was always for $600-700 here
    you said chrome os is better,go see your previous posts
    It's more expensive in my country.

    I never said that Chrome OS was better than Windows.

    When you guys kept annoying me in another thread about Android's security, I just mentioned that if security is what matters to you most why do all of you use Windows and not Chrome OS?

    I never said Chrome OS was the best though.

    Clean install 8.1, and then tell me if your statements hold true after that.
    Obviously an OS won't lag after a clean install, but Windows 8 bogs down significantly after a while which shouldn't be the case.

    Luckily according to the videos I'm seeing from Windows 10 it seems to have gotten much faster, go Microsoft. Haha. :)
    10-05-2014 05:50 AM
  4. EC Translating Services's Avatar
    Google was never mentioned here, I'm still waiting on Microsoft to fix the issues I have with Windows, not Google.

    The problem with speed that I have is primarily with all Windows 8 applications and the UI in general. Most of my apps run just as well, primarily heavy gaming titles like FarCry 3 or Batman Arkham City but the UI is so god damn slow, even the Skype app takes ages to refresh, and many other Metro apps.
    For some reason i have the same issue on Modern UI. Both PCs are i7 no-slouch things that execute everything well, from BF3 to COD to Tropico and SimCity etc. Modern UI is slow. All the transitions, market etc. have always been very slow, especially on the other PC (Acer 8951G with some modifications made in Taiwan when purchased including 16GB ram and a slightly more powerful CPU+ 1.2 TB HDD, 7200rpm). Still it's slow. The Acer V7 is quick like hell instead. Everything works well.
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    10-05-2014 06:34 AM
  5. psoham777's Avatar
    Very true, and hopefully come release time nearly everyone will be happy
    Windows 10 is expected to release in mid 2015. 8 months at least before the official release
    Karthik Naik and paulsalter like this.
    10-05-2014 06:52 AM
  6. iamakii's Avatar
    There's a feedback app - if you don't like continuum (which is not yet even available/present) in the current technical preview build, then say it using that app. Windows 10 is far from being finished, good times ahead.
    10-05-2014 07:19 AM
  7. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    It's more expensive in my country.

    I never said that Chrome OS was better than Windows.

    When you guys kept annoying me in another thread about Android's security, I just mentioned that if security is what matters to you most why do all of you use Windows and not Chrome OS?

    I never said Chrome OS was the best though.



    Obviously an OS won't lag after a clean install, but Windows 8 bogs down significantly after a while which shouldn't be the case.

    Luckily according to the videos I'm seeing from Windows 10 it seems to have gotten much faster, go Microsoft. Haha. :)
    my apologies on the price thing i didnt realize itll be more expensive there,i thought we all got the same rates in Asia (except dubai etc and singapore etc)

    you think chrome os is secure?? oh man no,chrome os is a closed version of open source linux
    chrome os is like putting your head in a lions mouth,google will spy on you with pleasure
    also chrome os is massively limited and its better to buy a netbook and put elementary os or ubuntu on it if you dont like windows(not you,just a general terminology)
    i use elementary os sometimes,fastest OS ive used,except windows 10,thats even faster

    windows 8 doesnt bog down,hes saying a clean install because you probably installed malware or bloat by accident
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    10-05-2014 08:58 AM
  8. iamtim's Avatar
    Obviously an OS won't lag after a clean install, but Windows 8 bogs down significantly after a while which shouldn't be the case.
    Perhaps, just perhaps, you should apply some troubleshooting skills to your system upon which Windows 8 "bogs down significantly" rather than declare it as an issue with Windows 8 itself. Reason being, I have TWO systems which were given clean installs of Windows 8 the week of Windows 8's initial release; they've both been used daily since that time, they've both been kept updated, they were both updated to Windows 8.1 when it was released (not clean install, just an update from the Store) and I continue keeping them updated to this day.

    Neither shows any lagging or bogging-down in the slightest.

    In my experience, lagging or bogging-down systems are usually unique to that system and not pandemic to the operating system... except in very specific cases ("wow, I just installed Windows 8 on my 1ghz Pentium 4 with 512mb of RAM and it's a dog!")
    10-05-2014 10:36 AM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    In my experience, lagging or bogging-down systems are usually unique to that system and not pandemic to the operating system... except in very specific cases ("wow, I just installed Windows 8 on my 1ghz Pentium 4 with 512mb of RAM and it's a dog!")
    You forgot the 32MB shared memory and the AC '97 sound card.
    iamtim and xandros9 like this.
    10-05-2014 02:22 PM
  10. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    You forgot the 32MB shared memory and the AC '97 sound card.
    i actually found drivers for the exact same thing on my system
    you need intel drivers (regular) and realtek hd drivers
    10-06-2014 12:41 AM
  11. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Amazing that people think what was released last week is the final Windows 10.

    This is in reality "Windows 8.1 update 2" and resembles the final release probably as much as XP resembled Win7.

    It is mainly for gathering feedback, something they should have been doing long before Windows 8 was finalized.
    10-06-2014 01:11 AM
  12. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Amazing that people think what was released last week is the final Windows 10.

    This is in reality "Windows 8.1 update 2" and resembles the final release probably as much as XP resembled Win7.

    It is mainly for gathering feedback, something they should have been doing long before Windows 8 was finalized.
    its like Lumia with black and 8.1 update 1 DP
    10-06-2014 01:15 AM
  13. utopiate's Avatar
    I can die satisfied in the knowledge that I have now read the most retarded few paragraphs on the internet.
    10-06-2014 12:37 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I can die satisfied in the knowledge that I have now read the most retarded few paragraphs on the internet.
    Oh no, it can get better. Stay tuned.
    10-06-2014 12:58 PM
  15. rodan01's Avatar
    There's a feedback app - if you don't like continuum (which is not yet even available/present) in the current technical preview build, then say it using that app. Windows 10 is far from being finished, good times ahead.


    I don't like Windows 7 (aka Windows 10) in general. I believe the desktop environment is an overkill for most people. Simpler UIs will be adopted, big tablets with keyboards or simpler windowed environments like Chrome OS.

    Windows 7 is too niche. Sinofsky was right.

    I don't see any section in the feedback app to express that, and of course Microsoft won't listen to me.
    10-07-2014 01:00 AM
  16. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    I don't like Windows 7 (aka Windows 10) in general. I believe the desktop environment is an overkill for most people. Simpler UIs will be adopted, big tablets with keyboards or simpler windowed environments like Chrome OS.
    Currently, the desktop environment is way more productive than touch. People who are looking only for web surfing will be definitely fine with Chrome OS. However the OS has zero productivity.

    Windows 7 is too niche. Sinofsky was right.
    So you're saying that 90% of PC and Mac users are using a niche OS paradigm. Apparently you see what these 90% people don't.

    I don't see any section in the feedback app to express that, and of course Microsoft won't listen to me.
    Leave a feedback to improve the feedback app.
    10-07-2014 05:31 AM
  17. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    ^

    I believe the desktop environment is an overkill for most people.
    Are you refering to Tablets?

    You are saying this as if the "final" product on Mobility gadgets will be the same as with the Desktop UI right?
    10-07-2014 06:08 AM
  18. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Oh no, it can get better. Stay tuned.
    and it did,you were right!! :D :P
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    10-07-2014 06:31 AM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    and it did,you were right!! :D :P
    Didn't want to say "I told you so".
    10-07-2014 07:54 AM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I don't like Windows 7 (aka Windows 10) in general. I believe the desktop environment is an overkill for most people. Simpler UIs will be adopted, big tablets with keyboards or simpler windowed environments like Chrome OS.

    Windows 7 is too niche. Sinofsky was right.

    I don't see any section in the feedback app to express that, and of course Microsoft won't listen to me.
    I had to check my calendar to make sure it didn't say April 1. I won't go into a diatribe to prove what 98% of the computing world already knows. Desktops will NEVER go away. You are reading way too many mobile tech publications and they're affecting your judgment. I'll put it another way, you don't see engineers sending up space shuttles with iPads.
    10-07-2014 07:58 AM
  21. rodan01's Avatar
    Currently, the desktop environment is way more productive than touch. People who are looking only for web surfing will be definitely fine with Chrome OS. However the OS has zero productivity.



    So you're saying that 90% of PC and Mac users are using a niche OS paradigm. Apparently you see what these 90% people don't.



    Leave a feedback to improve the feedback app.


    You have to back your assertions with arguments. Why is the desktop more productive for most people? Managing windows make sense to fulfill the simple multi-tasking needs of the regular user, or is an overkill?



    IMO the complex Windows desktop is legacy, I see more and more people using tablets with keyboards or chromebooks. You can also see that in web traffic stats.

    A simpler OS with clean UI, optimized for the most common usage patterns has obvious advantages in productivity, for most people.

    A simpler office suit with a less cluttered UI, more consistent in the different form factors is more productive for most people.

    Simplicity and optimization for the most common tasks have a big value in productivity.



    The trend has started, it's going to take a few years to complete. Microsoft saw it, that's why they pushed Windows 8.
    10-07-2014 08:21 AM
  22. carlson03's Avatar
    Loaded Windows 10 on a dell inspiron 1720, 4gb ram...I think it runs great and is smooth. It boots up faster than my desktop with Windows 7 and 8gb ram...will be interesting to see how it changes on final release. I will also leave feedback to Microsoft as I go
    Karthik Naik likes this.
    10-07-2014 08:27 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    IMO the complex Windows desktop is legacy, I see more and more people using tablets with keyboards or chromebooks.
    That may be fine for students and for salespeople who just need access to emails and such. Chromebook? Useless without an internet connection and can't run any apps out of the box. Don't bring up hacks because your main argument is simplicity, most people don't have these skills.
    10-07-2014 09:23 AM
  24. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    You have to back your assertions with arguments. Why is the desktop more productive for most people? Managing windows make sense to fulfill the simple multi-tasking needs of the regular user, or is an overkill?
    So you're asking me for arguments, however you didn't tell nothing about your own "belief". Ok let's try.

    1. Can you code as productive on touch as using a mouse/keyboard? No. (I'm coding every single day and I know what I'm talking about)
    2. Is the software more customizable on touch than desktop? No.
    3. Are the touch devices as powerful as the desktop is (for gaming, encoding, compiling)? ABSOLUTELY NO.

    Fortunately Office is available for SOME touch devices, as well some Adobe stuff.

    While using touch devices you're replacing your motor and reflex skills with your sight. I never look on the keyboard while I type, but I will have to spend my time looking on the on-screen keyboard to type. That's what I call productivity.

    Now your turn.

    IMO the complex Windows desktop is legacy, I see more and more people using tablets with keyboards or chromebooks. You can also see that in web traffic stats.
    When you add the keyboard, the tablet becomes an environment, not a touch device. The word "touch" involves touch itself, not adding the keyboard/mouse.

    A simpler OS with clean UI, optimized for the most common usage patterns has obvious advantages in productivity, for most people.
    As I said above, for some people it's fine, but the touch doesn't increase the productivity.
    Ask yourself what people use the touch devices for? Like iPads, Nexus tablets, Surface (ONLY touch, no keyboard). Is there some productivity? No. It's just fun: playing games, surfing web, social networks etc. No productivity almost (again, except Office and Adobe).

    The trend has started, it's going to take a few years to complete. Microsoft saw it, that's why they pushed Windows 8.
    It has started when Apple announced the iPad and it still continues, yet touch didn't become more productive than mouse/keyboard.

    tl;dr The touch will become more productive when you will have better results using sight instead of reflexes.
    10-07-2014 09:39 AM
  25. spaulagain's Avatar
    So you're asking me for arguments, however you didn't tell nothing about your own "belief". Ok let's try.

    1. Can you code as productive on touch as using a mouse/keyboard? No. (I'm coding every single day and I know what I'm talking about)
    2. Is the software more customizable on touch than desktop? No.
    3. Are the touch devices as powerful as the desktop is (for gaming, encoding, compiling)? ABSOLUTELY NO.

    Fortunately Office is available for SOME touch devices, as well some Adobe stuff.

    While using touch devices you're replacing your motor and reflex skills with your sight. I never look on the keyboard while I type, but I will have to spend my time looking on the on-screen keyboard to type. That's what I call productivity.

    Now your turn.



    When you add the keyboard, the tablet becomes an environment, not a touch device. The word "touch" involves touch itself, not adding the keyboard/mouse.



    As I said above, for some people it's fine, but the touch doesn't increase the productivity.
    Ask yourself what people use the touch devices for? Like iPads, Nexus tablets, Surface (ONLY touch, no keyboard). Is there some productivity? No. It's just fun: playing games, surfing web, social networks etc. No productivity almost (again, except Office and Adobe).



    It has started when Apple announced the iPad and it still continues, yet touch didn't become more productive than mouse/keyboard.

    tl;dr The touch will become more productive when you will have better results using sight instead of reflexes.
    I think touch will always be a more consumption focused interaction method. With it getting into productivity work flows only where it makes sense like PhotoShop illustrating, etc.

    The keyboard and mouse are like wrenches and screw drivers for auto mechanics, while touch is like the steering wheel and pedals for drivers.
    10-07-2014 10:19 AM
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