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  1. rodan01's Avatar
    I think Windows 10 will be a really good OS for laptops and desktop PCs, but to achieve this MS sacrificed the hybrids and tablets. With Windows 8 they couldn't solve the duality of a convertible device and they privileged the touch interactions. With Windows 10 they couldn't solve it either but now they privileged mouse and keyboard interactions. It seems MS forgot that PCs are just 14% of the devices sold and falling.

    The "Continuum" concept they showed for hybrids like the Surface Pro 3 is ridiculous. The apps run in full screen except for the taskbar that is always visible, so the user has to use those little tiny icons to switch between apps. A back button is added to the taskbar, good luck reaching that small button, and since when Store Apps need a back button? Hybrids are just an afterthought in Windows 10, on the contrary hybrids were the most important form factor for Windows 8.

    And the most worrying thing is the small tablet that they showed in the picture of all the Windows devices. It's just Windows Phone scaled up, with the same three columns of tiles and the three buttons at the bottom. So, Microsoft just killed all the UI interactions that they introduced for tablets with Windows 8: app switching at the left, charms, closing apps swiping down, back button in the apps. It seems tablets will just run a scaled up WP OS.

    From what they showed I think Microsoft is just trying to secure the desktop market for a few more years until more apps come to Chromebooks. The few details about Windows 10 for touch devices are disappointing. I had high expectations for Windows vnext, but what they showed is mediocre, they couldn't came up with a solution for the duality problem and they decided to secure their position in the PC market.

    I guess Surface Pro 4 won't be called a tablet, that "Continuum" abomination is not a touch interface.
    09-30-2014 05:29 PM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    It's not finished yet. Why is it on wpcentral people like to enter panic mode months before a product is released.....
    09-30-2014 05:39 PM
  3. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    It's not finished yet. Why is it on wpcentral people like to enter panic mode months before a product is released.....
    This is what happened with Windows 8, and it makes sense for people to panic a bit, but Sinofsky isn't up there anymore.

    They're listening to user feedback, most likely.
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    09-30-2014 05:41 PM
  4. Ben Sailors's Avatar
    Yeah, I can't help but read your post without recoiling.

    It's a knee jerk reaction at best. I seriously doubt that tablets won't be able to have a horizontal scrolling option and must be used as Windows Phone's OS. That said, we don't know how W10 will even look on phones yet. I wouldn't take stock photos to be an accurate representation of what's going to happen.

    For all the rambling by the OP, this strong of a reaction just isn't warranted, even if it was going live today.
    09-30-2014 05:45 PM
  5. xboxonthego3's Avatar
    I think it looks good. I'm a little concerned with how well it will work myself. But I'm going to wait and try it before I make judgment. Either way ill learn to use it.
    09-30-2014 05:52 PM
  6. rodan01's Avatar
    It's not finished yet. Why is it on wpcentral people like to enter panic mode months before a product is released.....

    In a few months they have to freeze the development and stabilize the code for release. There is no time for major changes, expect only small tweaks. The final version will be similar to this preview.
    09-30-2014 06:00 PM
  7. theefman's Avatar
    In a few months they have to freeze the development and stabilize the code for release. There is no time for major changes, expect only small tweaks. The final version will be similar to this preview.

    They are going to be talking about it right up to build in April, and there is still plenty that hasn't been revealed. If you think this is the final build by all means start tearing your hair out but for me now is not the time for doom and gloom.
    09-30-2014 06:09 PM
  8. jmshub's Avatar
    This was the first preview of the next version of Windows and it was geared specifically to enterprise users, you know, people who use windows on desktops with mice and keyboards.

    Down the road, closer to release, Microsoft will introduce Windows 10 to developers and then to consumers. Then, they will show off the tablet-centric touch UI.
    09-30-2014 06:10 PM
  9. chinesepiratefood's Avatar
    Metro 2.0 will not be in builds until early next year.
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    09-30-2014 06:14 PM
  10. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    They nailed windows 10.
    Windows 10 for phones/tablets however, will be revealed in january/february at the earliest if rumors are correct. And why do you think Belfiore emphasized on feedback? Perform a duty to your favorite platform(if?) and cheer up a little.
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    09-30-2014 06:22 PM
  11. Jas00555's Avatar
    It's not finished yet. Why is it on wpcentral people like to enter panic mode months before a product is released.....
    Hell, it's almost a year at this point.


    @OP if you don't like it, you can leave them feedback in the preview (which you haven't even tried out yet).
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    09-30-2014 06:23 PM
  12. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    It's not finished yet. Why is it on wpcentral people like to enter panic mode months before a product is released.....
    It's kinda phenomenon for people to cry/whine/complain about Windows.

    To OP, Joe B didn't even test the Continuum on a computer. he just showed the very early bits in a prerecorded demo. If you will wrap up all of the reports about Win10, you will notice that MS did NOT kill the touch, you will have the same UI/UX on the touch (except few additions). MS did improve the mouse/keyboard interaction.
    09-30-2014 06:41 PM
  13. JamesPTao's Avatar
    Lo. This forum has so many doom and gloom members. Its the end of the world aaahgggh. They must be discontinuing WP! No more tablets! They decided to stop making software and design clothes instead. Ahhhg! Lol....Take a valium and breath it'll all be okay.
    09-30-2014 06:45 PM
  14. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Lo. This forum has so many doom and gloom members. Its the end of the world aaahgggh. They must be discontinuing WP! No more tablets! They decided to stop making software and design clothes instead. Ahhhg! Lol....Take a valium and breath it'll all be okay.
    Cortana on iOS/Android.
    MS buy Nokia.
    630/635/730/830/930/whatever_phone_will_MS_make is a fail.
    Life is a pain.
    09-30-2014 06:49 PM
  15. rodan01's Avatar
    They nailed windows 10.
    Windows 10 for phones/tablets however, will be revealed in january/february at the earliest if rumors are correct. And why do you think Belfiore emphasized on feedback? Perform a duty to your favorite platform(if?) and cheer up a little.

    The preview showed today is the OS for: PCs, hybrids like the Surface Pro and the Asus T100, and big tablets that offer compatibility with x86 apps like the Toshiba encore 2 (10-inch) and the Hp Omni 10.

    Sadly, this version is mostly a desktop OS optimized for mouse and keyboard. The touch UI is an horrible mess, an afterthought.
    I understand they want to secure the PC market, but to make happy the Windows 7 users they dismantled the touch aspect of the OS. Maybe a bit of geniality could had prevented the fatidic outcome, but no, they couldn't solved it, this is just Windows 7 with live tiles, and a ridiculous "continuum" UI unfit for touch devices.
    Of course tech bloggers are praising Windows 10 because they only see it as a desktop OS, but with the focus in the touch interface I only see mediocrity and failure.


    They'll show the ARM version in early 2015, here a glimpse:

    http://wmpoweruser.com/first-tablet-...hone-pictured/

    Just a scaled up WP.


    The major design decisions can be changed in so little time, It took a couple of years to develop what they showed today.
    09-30-2014 07:03 PM
  16. aximtreo's Avatar
    It's not finished yet. Why is it on wpcentral people like to enter panic mode months before a product is released.....


    Especially when they know little to nothing about the final product. Really sad that some people's glass is always empty.
    09-30-2014 07:08 PM
  17. ronaldme's Avatar
    The preview showed today is the OS for: PCs, hybrids like the Surface Pro and the Asus T100, and big tablets that offer compatibility with x86 apps like the Toshiba encore 2 (10-inch) and the Hp Omni 10.

    Sadly, this version is mostly a desktop OS optimized for mouse and keyboard. The touch UI is an horrible mess, an afterthought.
    I understand they want to secure the PC market, but to make happy the Windows 7 users they dismantled the touch aspect of the OS. Maybe a bit of geniality could had prevented the fatidic outcome, but no, they couldn't solved it, this is just Windows 7 with live tiles, and a ridiculous "continuum" UI unfit for touch devices.
    Of course tech bloggers are praising Windows 10 because they only see it as a desktop OS, but with the focus in the touch interface I only see mediocrity and failure.


    They'll show the ARM version in early 2015, here a glimpse:

    Just a scaled up WP.


    The major design decisions can be changed in so little time, It took a couple of years to develop what they showed today.
    WTF!? which part of "it is an early preview" can't you understand?

    Things you don't know:

    - It is the final look
    - Taskbar options (hidding when full screen, for example)
    - Continuum behavior
    - etc

    If you know the Windows story, MS always change things, UI, usability, etc. Please calm down and wait to the beta or RTM version to judge.
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    09-30-2014 07:10 PM
  18. Jas00555's Avatar
    The preview showed today is the OS for: PCs, hybrids like the Surface Pro and the Asus T100, and big tablets that offer compatibility with x86 apps like the Toshiba encore 2 (10-inch) and the Hp Omni 10.

    Sadly, this version is mostly a desktop OS optimized for mouse and keyboard. The touch UI is an horrible mess, an afterthought.
    I understand they want to secure the PC market, but to make happy the Windows 7 users they dismantled the touch aspect of the OS. Maybe a bit of geniality could had prevented the fatidic outcome, but no, they couldn't solved it, this is just Windows 7 with live tiles, and a ridiculous "continuum" UI unfit for touch devices.
    Of course tech bloggers are praising Windows 10 because they only see it as a desktop OS, but with the focus in the touch interface I only see mediocrity and failure.


    They'll show the ARM version in early 2015, here a glimpse:

    http://wmpoweruser.com/first-tablet-...hone-pictured/

    Just a scaled up WP.


    The major design decisions can be changed in so little time, It took a couple of years to develop what they showed today.
    Um, we've known for months that WP is going to replace RT for tablets. I don't see how you didn't see it coming.

    And yes, we've got literally almost a year before the official release. They can make some medium-sized changes in that time, so if there's some things that you don't like in Continuum, you can leave your feedback.
    09-30-2014 07:11 PM
  19. David_da_Silva's Avatar
    After reading all of this crap I just want you to calm down for a bit.
    If you can open your mind and be creative for a bit, for sure you will understand that probably this kind of difference between the devices must likely will be because of the screen size or OEM.
    I don't believe at all that this will happen to Surface or whatever tablet that have at least 8 inches of screen. For me that looks like a small tablet and to be reasonable, a "phone" OS would be the correct answer. I wouldn't won't my 7 inch tablet to run like Surface, that would be just stupid.
    Last edited by snowmutt; 09-30-2014 at 09:42 PM. Reason: a tad harsher language then needed.
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    09-30-2014 07:24 PM
  20. Ken Stanley's Avatar
    Really early!! I do really hope they make it as fun and productive for touch devices as windows 8 has been. I run my business from an all in one desktop, a surface pro, and my windows phone. Love all of them!
    09-30-2014 07:27 PM
  21. jdholland79's Avatar
    No its not its brilliant you see windows 8.1 while it was a disappointment it still has a bigger market share then does windows phone and with the changes they made they stand a good chance of getting alot of people that used windows 7 back with windows 10 now they merge all into one os that mean and instant boost in market share as a whole and since there is only one store and one OS windows ten there market share will grow alot literally overnight and even if you use the argument that on table and phone you cant use legacy apps and on windows ten for the desktop you can so more people on desktop will be using legacy apps then metro apps dont matter cuz all the developers are going to see is the numbers or market share and that's good cuz we will get alot more developers to support windows 10 as it will have bigger market share hell even google is going to have a hard time saying we dont have enogh market share for them to put there apps on MS products so in the end its a win win MS just made the WP market share go up alot oh and by the way chrome sucks a browser anit no os no matter what google says
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    09-30-2014 07:38 PM
  22. jnjroach's Avatar
    Also.... remember this wasn't a general audience unveiling, it was targeted specifically at Enterprise IT Shops that have XP and Windows 7, this was targeted at those who are not using new form factors...

    The Consumer Preview will give us a better picture of Windows 10 on Consumer Devices, Phones and Tablets....
    09-30-2014 07:39 PM
  23. flapadlr's Avatar
    I believe the statement that this TP is late in the development cycle and won't be changed much is incorrect. There were specific things stated in the presentation today about continuum and Belfiore stated it was the way it is now but they are trying a few different directions. This is not your father's Release Candidate. This TP is being released to testers much earlier in the dev cycle than previous versions of Windows. Because corporate IT needs it this way.

    Lots can change, and will. Download it, install it and send MS your opinions.
    09-30-2014 07:41 PM
  24. jdholland79's Avatar
    Not really of you been reading the new MS has came up with a way to fix problems and add or remove features on the fly in a week not a month this is probably the last windows from now on it will just keep getting tweaks and features and if there are bugs or a feature that needs it can be fixed in like a week and with there new back end they can see any problems in almost real time so say IE is messing up MS will see it and within days as soon as the code is ready for the fix it will be delivered to the effective product so this ain't like previous windows they still got alot to show us at build and it will constantly evolve from there and now MS can better give there user what they want and fix what they dont like not just untill it is released but for the entire lifetime of the product witch is now forever
    09-30-2014 07:48 PM
  25. Asskickulater's Avatar
    Um, we've known for months that WP is going to replace RT for tablets. I don't see how you didn't see it coming.

    And yes, we've got literally almost a year before the official release. They can make some medium-sized changes in that time, so if there's some things that you don't like in Continuum, you can leave your feedback.
    Actually its opposite, RT is gonna replace WP

    The preview showed today is the OS for: PCs, hybrids like the Surface Pro and the Asus T100, and big tablets that offer compatibility with x86 apps like the Toshiba encore 2 (10-inch) and the Hp Omni 10.

    Sadly, this version is mostly a desktop OS optimized for mouse and keyboard. The touch UI is an horrible mess, an afterthought.
    I understand they want to secure the PC market, but to make happy the Windows 7 users they dismantled the touch aspect of the OS. Maybe a bit of geniality could had prevented the fatidic outcome, but no, they couldn't solved it, this is just Windows 7 with live tiles, and a ridiculous "continuum" UI unfit for touch devices.
    Of course tech bloggers are praising Windows 10 because they only see it as a desktop OS, but with the focus in the touch interface I only see mediocrity and failure.


    They'll show the ARM version in early 2015, here a glimpse:

    First tablet running Windows Phone pictured

    Just a scaled up WP.


    The major design decisions can be changed in so little time, It took a couple of years to develop what they showed today.
    For starters, major design decisions CAN change in little time, in fact, visuals are literally the LAST thing they do before going into feature freeze, also, there are many different branches of development for windows, and one of those branches are UX, which is what handles the design of things, and guess what doesn't merge with the winmain branch until feature freeze? the ux branch.

    Also, WTF you talking about feature freeze? There is sooooo much time before feature freeze happens, this is a TECHNICAL preview, this is probably about alpha state, if that, I dont know where you pulling this "knowledge" from but its incredibly inaccurate, i gurantee you, by the time this is released it will look incredibly different!

    Oh, and quit whining about **** you don't understand, makes you look like an *****.
    Last edited by Asskickulater; 09-30-2014 at 08:23 PM.
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    09-30-2014 08:12 PM
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