10-11-2014 11:38 AM
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  1. sashlon's Avatar
    A disclaimer: I never liked Windows 7, or Vista, or XP. I used them, but never enjoyed the experience. Windows Phone and Windows 8, and then 8.1 are the first OS Microsoft ever made that I liked. I fact I loved 8/8.1.

    I installed the Windows 10 Technical Preview on my Surface Pro.

    I'm not loving it so far.

    I feel like its a huge retrograde step so far. A lot of what made Windows 8/8.1 great on a touchscreen has been either compromised, or completely removed. Where's the touch IE? I can no longer swipe up to access app functions. Instead I have to try to hit a tiny button in the app title bar. Or resort to either my pen, or a mouse. I can't dismiss apps with a swipe either.

    Now I'm aware they're going to add lots of stuff to this early preview. But as it stands right now, its a disaster for Windows tablet users.

    I'm buying a new computer in February. I sure hope they've improved this by then. I was strongly considering getting a Surface Pro 3. Now I'm totally second guessing that. If I was going to the store today, right now, to get that new system I'd probably get a cheap laptop and a 128GB IPad instead. And I despise iOS. But, its TOUCH FRIENDLY.

    Sure hope it gets better.
    rodan01 likes this.
    10-03-2014 04:38 PM
  2. vaultsurvivor's Avatar
    The technical preview has been stated as being mainly for enterprise customers, and ms have said that a lot of the touch features are missing. What you have is basically an alpha windows aimed at winning business over before release. I wouldn't worry too much, that's what the whole continuum thing is all about. The right experience for the right hardware.
    Maonsie and heat 33330 like this.
    10-03-2014 04:42 PM
  3. lparsons21's Avatar
    MS was pretty upfront about the state the W10 preview would start from, and that was for the desktop/mouse-keyboard types and that the touch and tablet stuff would be along later.

    I've got it on my SP (1st gen) and it hasn't disappointed, but it does make me want my 'metro ui' back sometimes.


    Sent from my Surface with Windows 8 Pro using Tapatalk
    10-03-2014 04:42 PM
  4. rodan01's Avatar
    The continuum feature they showed is horrible, the Windows 7 taskbar is always visible, and they used a Surface in the mock-up of the demo.
    10-03-2014 05:57 PM
  5. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Whats weird is that I wasn't a big Win 8 fan when it first came out. Now that I have a WP 8.1 phone and a Surface Pro 2 I realized how quickly my brain adapted and enjoyed the touch based system. How can I tell I'm getting too used to Windows 8.1?

    -I try to swipe down on my Android tablet to close things
    -I try to swipe up to access my apps on my Android tablet
    -When Im killing time at an Apple store, I'm constantly touching the laptop and desktop screens to open programs and I feel like a "special" person when people catch me doing it. Its just habit now.
    -Instead of turning pages of a book, I try to swipe left.
    -I try to pinch zoom my daily newspaper.
    Ok the last two were jokes...

    With that said, If this came out before Windows 8/8.1, it would have been a perfect progression to the touchbased future. Now that we were traumatically thrown into the touchbased future by Ballmer, Windows 10 kinda feels like a child molester apologizing. The damage is done. Im screwed up for life. I need large Live tiles and swipe gestures to feel safe.#MicrosoftStockholmSyndrome.
    foaf likes this.
    10-03-2014 07:14 PM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    They said from the beginning that the TP would focus in keyboard and mouse, and tablet features would come later, so I'm not sure why you're suddenly in shock that it doesn't have many tablet-specific features.
    11B1P and ronaldme like this.
    10-03-2014 07:57 PM
  7. muneshyne21's Avatar
    I was expecting the build to be like Windows 8.1 with the adjustments tacked on. Instead it ended up being a ground up build made to look like Windows 8.1 but only about 50% hashed out. That's what surprised me. I didn't think the preview would be this stripped down. Plus the use of the word "focus" made me think it was emphasized but not the only things they would address. Probably for timing sake (not sure what) they had to announce it even though they weren't quite ready even for a preview. It would have made more sense to show the non-touch and touch based systems side by side.
    10-03-2014 08:07 PM
  8. Maonsie's Avatar
    I was expecting the build to be like Windows 8.1 with the adjustments tacked on. Instead it ended up being a ground up build made to look like Windows 8.1 but only about 50% hashed out. That's what surprised me. I didn't think the preview would be this stripped down. Plus the use of the word "focus" made me think it was emphasized but not the only things they would address. Probably for timing sake (not sure what) they had to announce it even though they weren't quite ready even for a preview. It would have made more sense to show the non-touch and touch based systems side by side.
    But they were ready for a preview. A mouse-and-keyboard, desktop focused preview, pushed out to begin wooing over that side of the consumer base, and for enterprise users to work with hands-on and submit their own findings and errors and anything else directly back to Microsoft.

    Continuum was shown to illustrate what the team has in the pipeline, and with that would come the new modern experience for touch; most likely that will come when the ARM/phone preview is released and those details are shared towards the beginning of next year.
    10-03-2014 08:18 PM
  9. Bodeanicus's Avatar
    Calm down, man. As someone else stated, this preview is geared towards winning enterprise back. You know all the touch stuff you love? They hate it. With a passion. All the touch stuff will be there in the final release.
    10-04-2014 05:39 AM
  10. theefman's Avatar
    Its not finished.


    Sent from my Surface Pro 3 using Tapatalk
    10-04-2014 09:27 AM
  11. boltman2013's Avatar
    Im disappointed in this post claiming to be disappointed in a very early beta product
    koolnaija, 11B1P and ronaldme like this.
    10-04-2014 09:40 AM
  12. psoham777's Avatar
    Im disappointed in this post claiming to be disappointed in a very early beta product
    I agree
    Jazmac likes this.
    10-04-2014 09:41 AM
  13. wuiyang's Avatar
    there was disclaimer said that the windows 10 aren't touch-user friendly for now, but will after fully-developed
    mjrtoo likes this.
    10-04-2014 10:41 AM
  14. muneshyne21's Avatar
    I understand its basically just out of "concept" stage. Plus it's easy to forget that not only are they trying to make a desktop beta but also a touch beta at the same time. Windows 7 beta only had to address the desktop side so even the beta felt like a complete idea.
    On a positive note, lacking the touch side of things really made me realize how much I have grown to like it. I even...*gasp*...prefer it in most situations that don't require a legacy program now. It makes me really yearn for touch friendly legacy programs now.
    10-04-2014 11:51 PM
  15. psoham777's Avatar
    So much disappointment in this thread. Windows 10 hasn't even launched & here people are disappointed! Wow. Let the official windows 10 come out, then cursing it would make sense.
    ronaldme, xandros9 and 11B1P like this.
    10-05-2014 01:30 AM
  16. mjrtoo's Avatar
    This is an alpha release, calm down. Give people exactly what they want and they still complain about it. Tiring...
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-05-2014 01:36 AM
  17. RichardBurt's Avatar
    A disclaimer: I never liked Windows 7, or Vista, or XP. I used them, but never enjoyed the experience. Windows Phone and Windows 8, and then 8.1 are the first OS Microsoft ever made that I liked. I fact I loved 8/8.1.

    I installed the Windows 10 Technical Preview on my Surface Pro.

    I'm not loving it so far.

    I feel like its a huge retrograde step so far. A lot of what made Windows 8/8.1 great on a touchscreen has been either compromised, or completely removed. Where's the touch IE? I can no longer swipe up to access app functions. Instead I have to try to hit a tiny button in the app title bar. Or resort to either my pen, or a mouse. I can't dismiss apps with a swipe either.

    Now I'm aware they're going to add lots of stuff to this early preview. But as it stands right now, its a disaster for Windows tablet users.

    I'm buying a new computer in February. I sure hope they've improved this by then. I was strongly considering getting a Surface Pro 3. Now I'm totally second guessing that. If I was going to the store today, right now, to get that new system I'd probably get a cheap laptop and a 128GB IPad instead. And I despise iOS. But, its TOUCH FRIENDLY.

    Sure hope it gets better.
    The continuum feature they showed is horrible, the Windows 7 taskbar is always visible, and they used a Surface in the mock-up of the demo.
    You know it's not the release version, you know it's a technical preview, you even clicked on the "Accept" button for the EULA which told you it was a preview version when you installed the software AND YOU STILL COMPLAIN?

    Don't moan to us, use the Microsoft official feedback channels to tell THEM. You will see better results that way.
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-05-2014 01:50 AM
  18. lparsons21's Avatar
    I've been reading the 'disappointed' posts in many forums and find it hard to believe that some didn't pay attention when MS clearly said this was a very early tech preview and emphasized that it wasn't ready for the consumers yet.

    I put it on my SurfacePro 1st gen and found it very solid and faster than W8.1. Overall I think MS is on the right path with this one. I'm really looking forward to what is coming as it develops.

    All that said, I took it off my SP1 and went back to W8.1. For those that don't have the 1st gen SP, you cannot imagine the PITA it is to go back! The OS load is W8 which then needs 93 updates before you can get W8.1. It is a long and not painless process.

    But on the 10" screen with my old eyes, the desktop isn't a joy to use at all, so back to mostly 'modern UI' and its apps for me. I'll jump back in when they get further along.


    Sent from my 23-n010 using Tapatalk
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-05-2014 07:45 AM
  19. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Yeah, people evidently don't read, watch videos, or use common sense anymore. They just wipe their hard drives and install alpha software and ***** about out how incomplete it is and make outrageous predictions on the failure of it before they've used the real deal.
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-05-2014 10:19 AM
  20. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Ok, my issues with 10 are quickly fading. I figured out how to get the Start Screen back in lieu of the Start Menu on a non-touch pc. I also realized how nice it was to have right-click start options. Not even three days and I'm warming up to it faster than 8/8.1. The touch layout is in there but you have to change properties and sign out to get them back.
    10-05-2014 01:44 PM
  21. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Ok, my issues with 10 are quickly fading. I figured out how to get the Start Screen back in lieu of the Start Menu on a non-touch pc. I also realized how nice it was to have right-click start options. Not even three days and I'm warming up to it faster than 8/8.1. The touch layout is in there but you have to change properties and sign out to get them back.
    8.1 has had right click start options forever.
    10-05-2014 01:58 PM
  22. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Thanks for making me feel stupid mjrtoo. I guess I'm hanging out too much on the touch side of things on my Surface Pro 2...
    10-05-2014 05:36 PM
  23. awilliams1701's Avatar
    I suspect the final version will let you make it look and act like windows 8.x. I personally want it to look more like windows 7 and am very happy with the current release.
    10-06-2014 05:01 PM
  24. JaiMento's Avatar
    8.1 has had right click start options forever.
    Same options were in 8.0, save for the "Shut Down or Sign Out" options.
    10-06-2014 06:17 PM
  25. sashlon's Avatar
    I love how arrogant and judgement some people are.

    I can read perfectly well
    I am VERY computer literate
    I am a big Microsoft fan/customer
    I said that I knew it would get better
    I said that I knew its a preview

    And yet, my opinion that its not brilliant so far on my Surface is somehow offensive and means that people think they can be insulting and rude.

    OK. Nice.
    10-08-2014 03:42 AM
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