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  1. Prathameshk's Avatar
    I've Samsung series3 laptop having windows7 basic,I'm very curious to know about how they are going to provide w10 update to windows 7 platform...are they directly giving the update through OTA or we need to do something else!!??Any one knows??
    01-22-2015 09:45 PM
  2. Catholic Tech Geek's Avatar
    Odds are, they will try to push it via Windows Update.
    01-22-2015 09:51 PM
  3. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    Windows 7 to 10? No, It will not be a windows update - the change is too significant, even the "upgrade" will be a full OS install.

    You will have to either download an ISO file or optionally request a disk. Installation will check to ensure a verified windows 7 OS is installed - much like past upgrades. Free version limited to 365 days from release, after that you will pay the upgrade price.

    Windows 8.1 to 10 should be a far easier upgrade and will probably be available via the windows store. No time limit - always a free upgrade.
    01-22-2015 11:24 PM
  4. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    It likely will be something offered thru Windows Update, which will then download the ESD and launch its installer.
    01-22-2015 11:32 PM
  5. TheCudder's Avatar
    Windows 7 to 10? No, It will not be a windows update - the change is too significant, even the "upgrade" will be a full OS install.

    You will have to either download an ISO file or optionally request a disk. Installation will check to ensure a verified windows 7 OS is installed - much like past upgrades. Free version limited to 365 days from release, after that you will pay the upgrade price.

    Windows 8.1 to 10 should be a far easier upgrade and will probably be available via the windows store. No time limit - always a free upgrade.
    After the disaster of releasing Windows 8.1 through the Windows Store, do you really think they're going to go that route again? And what exactly is a tablet user going to do with an ISO or disk? It's already possible to upgrade to the Technical Preview via Windows Update on Windows 7...so that method is feasible & the most likely method.
    01-22-2015 11:39 PM
  6. Athull's Avatar

    Free version limited to 365 days from release, after that you will pay the upgrade price.

    Windows 8.1 to 10 should be a far easier upgrade and will probably be available via the windows store. No time limit - always a free upgrade.
    This is wrong...
    Read the article first
    Windows 10 to be free upgrade for first year for users of Windows 7 and 8.1, Windows Phone 8.1 | Windows Central
    Its a free upgrade for all W7/8/8.1 users and once upgraded the devices are supported for their lifetime.
    Only when u try and upgrade from W7/8/8.1 after one year of the W10 launch only then u need to pay meaning if ur an existing user then its basically free and no strings attached.
    01-22-2015 11:39 PM
  7. Jose_Rey's Avatar
    After the disaster of releasing Windows 8.1 through the Windows Store, do you really think they're going to go that route again? And what exactly is a tablet user going to do with an ISO or disk? It's already possible to upgrade to the Technical Preview via Windows Update on Windows 7...so that method is feasible & the most likely method.
    Not everyone is on the Tech Preview. I don't think Microsoft would be offering it FREE for a year with something as simple as a Windows Update. I think the store option would probably be the easiest and most feasible unless you're on WIN7 in which case, I'd imagine you'd have to go through the MS website. People would probably sue Microsoft if they tried something as easy as a Windows Update anyways. It's a huge difference from Windows 7 aesthetically and not everyone would like that.
    01-22-2015 11:51 PM
  8. TheCudder's Avatar
    Not everyone is on the Tech Preview. I don't think Microsoft would be offering it FREE for a year with something as simple as a Windows Update. I think the store option would probably be the easiest and most feasible unless you're on WIN7 in which case, I'd imagine you'd have to go through the MS website. People would probably sue Microsoft if they tried something as easy as a Windows Update anyways. It's a huge difference from Windows 7 aesthetically and not everyone would like that.
    Windows 7 doesn't have a store, and it too will receive Windows 10 for free --- so really that rules the Store option out. Plus Microsoft ran into way too many problems releasing 8.1 via the store. I think you miss read my post also, so I'll re-word it...Users currently running Windows 7 can open Windows Update and upgrade to the "Windows Technical Preview" if they choose, it is listed an an update.

    The only other option is to offer it the same way they handled the discounted Windows 8 upgrade. Register, verify your installation is valid and run the executable that will download and kick off the upgrade process.
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    01-22-2015 11:58 PM
  9. excalibur1814's Avatar
    After the disaster of releasing Windows 8.1 through the Windows Store, do you really think they're going to go that route again? And what exactly is a tablet user going to do with an ISO or disk? It's already possible to upgrade to the Technical Preview via Windows Update on Windows 7...so that method is feasible & the most likely method.
    What disaster? We've done quite a few updates here without issues (Thankfully)
    01-23-2015 02:45 AM
  10. Pete's Avatar
    It'll work the same way as the upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8.

    You click on a link, download and run an exe file. It downloads a ton of stuff and asks you a few questions. Screen with then flash in lovely trippy colours, computer will reboot and you'll have Windows 10.
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    01-23-2015 02:51 AM
  11. 12Danny123's Avatar
    It'll work the same way as the upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8.

    You click on a link, download and run an exe file. It downloads a ton of stuff and asks you a few questions. Screen with then flash in lovely trippy colours, computer will reboot and you'll have Windows 10.
    Except. Microsoft wants change. QUICKLY. It's likely through Windows update. I think with the fierceness of Microsoft's change to Windows 10. I think if people disable the update it'll still install no matter what
    01-23-2015 03:19 AM
  12. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Except. Microsoft wants change. QUICKLY. It's likely through Windows update. I think with the fierceness of Microsoft's change to Windows 10. I think if people disable the update it'll still install no matter what
    NO THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT TRUE.
    Microsoft will NOT force you to install windows 10 if you do not want it.
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    01-23-2015 03:51 AM
  13. envio's Avatar
    There will likely be a number of options but I doubt Windows Update will be one of them. It could be a downloadable ISO image; a small executable which then does all the heavy lifting in one setup routine; a disc in the post. I think the key thing here is not the medium used to install Windows 10 but rather the method by which users will qualify and what you get to keep in terms of data. As long as you have a licensed copy of 7 or 8.1, you'll be able to claim a shiny new Windows 10 key within the qualifying 1-year period. How you install it will be up to you but I would be inclined to save all my important documents do a clean install. I've never liked upgrades, even between sequential versions.
    01-23-2015 04:22 AM
  14. Steve Adams's Avatar
    I am excited that all my PC's will be updated to 10. but I am disappointed they left out my asus vivotab rt's. I hope the upgrade to 8.1 will suffice.
    01-23-2015 05:16 AM
  15. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    It is NOT possible to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 via the Windows update mechanism. Read this again: NOT POSSIBLE

    It will be a Disk or an ISO - done

    @Athull, I am sorry if I was not being clear - the verbiage can be hard. The upgrade will be free, no subscription, no additional payments... You own it and you will continue to get updates for that machine as long as it is supported. (can handle the upgrade)

    If you have Windows 7 you have one year to take advantage of this free offer. (Yes, I am suggesting there is no time limit on upgrading from Windows 8 to 10. I may be wrong, but I do not think so)
    Last edited by Scott Bradley; 01-23-2015 at 03:43 PM.
    01-23-2015 03:29 PM
  16. TheCudder's Avatar
    It is NOT possible to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 via the Windows update mechanism. Read this again: NOT POSSIBLE

    It will be a Disk or an ISO - done
    Why do you keep saying this? Windows 7 to Windows 8 was upgradeable WITHOUT AN ISO or DISK. Also, the Technical Preview for Windows 10 has been available via Windows 7 "Windows Update" if you manually open it up and look for it -- there is no debating this LOL. An ISO or disc may be offerered as an option, but that will not be the way the majority of upgrades are handeled --- tablets users won't beneit from an ISO or DVD, and the average user has no idea what an ISO is.
    01-23-2015 05:06 PM
  17. Jas00555's Avatar
    Just like how Windows 7 users could update to the Tech Preview via Windows Update, this will probably be the same thing. They want people on the latest OS, so that's the easiest and most logical way to do it.
    01-23-2015 05:11 PM
  18. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    Yeah.. Why are you saying it will be an ISO? That would rule out the majority of the population. People don't even know what an ISO is. It'll be through Windows update. Though, I'm sure you'll have to visit Windows.com & enable it
    01-23-2015 05:13 PM
  19. Jas00555's Avatar
    It is NOT possible to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 via the Windows update mechanism. Read this again: NOT POSSIBLE

    )
    Then would you mind explaining this?

    http://m.winsupersite.com/windows-10...windows-update

    Please, I want to hear your answer.
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    01-23-2015 05:14 PM
  20. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    That is simply saying they are not pushing 10 out to anyone other than those already in the testing program. You were not able to upgrade from windows 7 to Windows 10 without doing a full upgrade with a disk / ISO file.

    There was no migration path using Windows Update from Windows 7 to Windows 8. Let's make sure we are talking about the same thing - windows update is the mechanism that Microsoft uses to provide critical updates / driver updates and dot releases within the same OS... It is not a utility for performing an upgrade from one OS to another.

    It is also a mechanism where users often have little interaction as updates are set to perform automatically.

    No OS level update has ever been automatic!


    Come to think of it... I do believe that Microsoft had a Windows 8 upgrade assistant that created a process for purchasing online and upgrading without a disk or ISO - but it had nothing to do with the Windows update mechanism.
    Last edited by Scott Bradley; 01-23-2015 at 09:57 PM.
    01-23-2015 09:46 PM
  21. Prathameshk's Avatar
    Then would you mind explaining this?

    http://m.winsupersite.com/windows-10...windows-update

    Please, I want to hear your answer.
    I think they will provide one application, through they will check that a user is a licensed or not then they will provide update through windows update...


    This is better way...to upgrade if they provide update through this way(without downloading iso file, burn the iso file) because this way is too much lengthy will take more time than directly windows update
    01-23-2015 10:56 PM
  22. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Scott: Please consider what you are saying here. "Not possible" to install an OS upgrade using Windows Update.

    Windows 10 builds exist as ESD files aka encrypted ISO. The Windows Update mechanism is in fact being used in Windows 10 when new builds are available. Now I will admit I don't know all the technical details of exactly how it accomplishes this.

    It *can* be done, it took about 30 seconds for me to put this scenario in my head of how I think the WIndows 7 to 10 upgrade works. They could have implemented differently but trust me nothing is "not possible" for talented coders.

    1. Windows Update offers you an update which consists of an executable file.
    2. If you choose to install that update, it runs.
    3. The executable connects to Microsoft, downloads the latest Windows 10 ESD file for your architecture, expands/decrypts it to a temporary folder, and launches "setup.exe" in that folder.
    4. At this point the exact same thing happens as if you had a physical Windows 10 DVD, inserted it and ran setup. If it supports upgrading your current situation, that's what it will do.

    There, how hard was that? OS upgrade accomplished by using Windows Update.

    Now that I've explained that it *can* be done, I will say that it will never happen that way on any systems I have control of. I don't personally like the idea of all the individual machines connecting to Microsoft and downloading multi gigabytes of data when they feel like it, without my permission. Especially when I have a WSUS on site and very slow Internet. I will disable all the auto upgrade stuff, let it use WSUS for normal updates, and when there's a new build I will get the ISO and launch the upgrade myself when I want it to happen.
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    01-23-2015 11:07 PM
  23. stephen_az's Avatar
    Except. Microsoft wants change. QUICKLY. It's likely through Windows update. I think with the fierceness of Microsoft's change to Windows 10. I think if people disable the update it'll still install no matter what
    Perhaps you might want to look up the definition of fierceness and describe how that in any way applies. As to people being forced to upgrade, are you serious? That is probably the nonsensical thing I have read here in a long time and forums are frequently overrun with nonsense. It is not only bad business and PR suicide, it also is illegal. Honestly, do people read things before they click reply?
    01-24-2015 02:03 AM
  24. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    Perhaps you might want to look up the definition of fierceness and describe how that in any way applies. As to people being forced to upgrade, are you serious? That is probably the nonsensical thing I have read here in a long time and forums are frequently overrun with nonsense. It is not only bad business and PR suicide, it also is illegal. Honestly, do people read things before they click reply?
    Illegal, but Apple did it, they forced you to download a U2 album as well
    01-24-2015 04:42 AM
  25. Jas00555's Avatar
    Illegal, but Apple did it, they forced you to download a U2 album as well
    Lol no they didn't. They basically did the equivalent of gifting it to your cloud collection if you had the "show all music" option in Xbox music.
    01-24-2015 07:17 AM
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