02-16-2015 11:37 AM
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  1. mjrtoo's Avatar
    They are destroying the experience. I realize it's a tech preview, but if they continue in this direction it will be a failure much larger than the fiasco that was tablet PC. https://www.youtube.com/embed/MpzTLZU8UTU
    02-09-2015 07:51 AM
  2. Pete's Avatar
    It's a tech preview. Probably more work being done on tablet mode.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-09-2015 07:54 AM
  3. mjrtoo's Avatar
    It's a tech preview. Probably more work being done on tablet mode.
    Doesn't hurt to voice the concerns though, since that's the entire idea of a preview, and windows insider, where I post the same things.

    Right now, it's a total disaster, both the desktop and tablet experience. There are good things, but it's so kludgy, it's not even close to ready for prime time.
    02-09-2015 08:27 AM
  4. Pete's Avatar
    And you have voiced those concerns in the Windows 10 feedback app I'm sure....
    02-09-2015 08:29 AM
  5. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Out of the gate:
    "Now that the touch is refined"


    It isn't.


    "It's buggy"


    Yes, it's a tech preview.

    ​"Cortana is the exact same as on WP"

    ​Yes, it likely is just the same thing.

    ​"I want to use 'Hey Cortana'"

    ​Beta.

    ​"I saw in the demo..."

    ​Things that are coming out in the next few months. It's like he wasn't listening.

    ​Seriously, a lot of his complaints are just bad or wrong. He complains about how desktop mode isn't meant for touch and how he wants to use touch mode with a keyboard. As if the first isn't obvious and the second isn't possible. It gives you an option to go to desktop mode, it doesn't force it. He even mentioned the animation of the start screen... and lack of it right now.

    ​He even seems to suggest that people use the registry hack to get the old start menu, which will lead to problems for people doing it.

    ​I'm not saying complaining is wrong, but your complaints should make sense.
    MaxyBley, Jas00555, mjrtoo and 1 others like this.
    02-09-2015 09:18 AM
  6. mjrtoo's Avatar
    And you have voiced those concerns in the Windows 10 feedback app I'm sure....
    Of course, windows insider etc.
    02-10-2015 07:39 AM
  7. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Out of the gate:
    "Now that the touch is refined"


    It isn't.


    "It's buggy"


    Yes, it's a tech preview.

    ​"Cortana is the exact same as on WP"

    ​Yes, it likely is just the same thing.

    ​"I want to use 'Hey Cortana'"

    ​Beta.

    ​"I saw in the demo..."

    ​Things that are coming out in the next few months. It's like he wasn't listening.

    ​Seriously, a lot of his complaints are just bad or wrong. He complains about how desktop mode isn't meant for touch and how he wants to use touch mode with a keyboard. As if the first isn't obvious and the second isn't possible. It gives you an option to go to desktop mode, it doesn't force it. He even mentioned the animation of the start screen... and lack of it right now.

    ​He even seems to suggest that people use the registry hack to get the old start menu, which will lead to problems for people doing it.

    ​I'm not saying complaining is wrong, but your complaints should make sense.
    The entire point of the video to me is that instead of making an OS that is pleasurable to use for both mouse/ keyboard and touch users, they are making an OS that is good for neither. In fact, I think they are heading down the path of ruining the entire surface experience, their own product.

    Yes, yes, we know it's a technical preview, but the track record with Microsoft is that preview is pretty much what you get. If this is where they are heading, I'll stick with 8.1.
    02-10-2015 07:48 AM
  8. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    They are destroying the experience. I realize it's a tech preview, but if they continue in this direction it will be a failure much larger than the fiasco that was tablet PC. https://www.youtube.com/embed/MpzTLZU8UTU
    How did you get your startscreen so full screen and the tiles to go horizontal. Mine can only go vertical in the start/menu/screen in version 9926.

    Odd that you can not change the size of your start screen. I presume its a surface pro, because it looks similar to mine. Have you tried resizing with the tablet toggle off? In the video I saw your toggle was on all the time.
    02-10-2015 09:46 AM
  9. JamesDax's Avatar
    How many whining post like these do we need in this forum? Dozens of post crying about the same thing over and over. smdh
    Jazmac and MaxyBley like this.
    02-10-2015 09:58 AM
  10. horseybob's Avatar
    Au Contraire, is the politest thing I can say. I loaded Win10 TP Enterprise on an HP ElitePad 900 in November (64 bit, single core, 1GB, 10" tablet) and more recently, Win10 TP on an HP Stream 7 (32-bit, quad-core, 1GB, 7" tablet). Sure, I like Tablet Mode in Win 8.1 better; I actually tend to use desktop mode on both. I've used the ElitePad on business trips, and use the Stream 7 on a daily basis. Under NO circumstances would I characterize this as either "just worthless" or as "a disaster". I use Win10 on a tablet every day; sure it has some glitches every day. I document those (System, version, issue, troubleshooting, etc.), submit it to MS and move on enjoying my tablets.

    A Technical Preview is in effect, an Alpha or pre-Beta test, during which time a whoooole bunch of things are going to change on an ongoing, dynamic basis. If you choose to participate, please focus on constructive criticisms and feedback to help the end outcome be optimal. None of the feedback above was constructive or actionable from a development perspective, so there may be a case here to roll back to 8.1 and give it a few months for the 2 week old consumer TP to mature and then wade back in.
    02-10-2015 10:04 AM
  11. Alain_A's Avatar
    How did you get your startscreen so full screen and the tiles to go horizontal. Mine can only go vertical in the start/menu/screen in version 9926.

    Odd that you can not change the size of your start screen. I presume its a surface pro, because it looks similar to mine. Have you tried resizing with the tablet toggle off? In the video I saw your toggle was on all the time.
    he got 2 files from the internet to achieve that
    02-10-2015 12:23 PM
  12. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    The entire point of the video to me is that instead of making an OS that is pleasurable to use for both mouse/ keyboard and touch users, they are making an OS that is good for neither. In fact, I think they are heading down the path of ruining the entire surface experience, their own product.

    Yes, yes, we know it's a technical preview, but the track record with Microsoft is that preview is pretty much what you get. If this is where they are heading, I'll stick with 8.1.
    ​Microsoft has been making huge changes because of User Feedback. This isn't the Windows team of old. Also, the Surface experience isn't ruined.
    Ed Boland, horseybob and TheCudder like this.
    02-10-2015 03:47 PM
  13. CJ Thunder's Avatar
    I agree with many things. I like the start menu better in the first tech preview. And on my tablet, or full screen, the start screen should more or less be like the one on 8.1. Otherwise everything else seems to be improving.
    02-10-2015 04:00 PM
  14. Geddeeee's Avatar
    One word... Continuum...

    This has yet to be seen, so patience!!!
    02-10-2015 04:08 PM
  15. Nicholas Lovan's Avatar
    One word... Continuum...

    This has yet to be seen, so patience!!!
    >build 9926
    02-10-2015 04:13 PM
  16. mjrtoo's Avatar
    ​Microsoft has been making huge changes because of User Feedback. This isn't the Windows team of old. Also, the Surface experience isn't ruined.
    I never heard one complaint about windows 8.1 on a tablet, but they're changing that. Why is my question, it's silly to toss out the baby with the bathwater don't you think?
    02-10-2015 06:19 PM
  17. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I never heard one complaint about windows 8.1 on a tablet, but they're changing that. Why is my question, it's silly to toss out the baby with the bathwater don't you think?
    ​If I were to guess, and this is merely a guess mind you, it's to try to have a less jarring experience. Look at Windows 10 as it is now. You have the start menu for desktops/laptops and start screen for touch. Now imagine if it was the old way. We'd have one style of menu for one and one for another. It's something we can get used to, but it isn't cohesive. And it certainly isn't something most people will want to deal with.
    02-10-2015 06:28 PM
  18. mjrtoo's Avatar
    ​If I were to guess, and this is merely a guess mind you, it's to try to have a less jarring experience. Look at Windows 10 as it is now. You have the start menu for desktops/laptops and start screen for touch. Now imagine if it was the old way. We'd have one style of menu for one and one for another. It's something we can get used to, but it isn't cohesive. And it certainly isn't something most people will want to deal with.
    I'd rather not lose what we have now.because some.people can't learn. Essentially that's what happened. 8.1 is an excellent OS, lets hope 10 turns out better than it appears right now.
    02-10-2015 07:22 PM
  19. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I'd rather not lose what we have now.because some.people can't learn. Essentially that's what happened. 8.1 is an excellent OS, lets hope 10 turns out better than it appears right now.
    ​Windows is a mass market OS and needs to fit the needs of the majority. It isn't that they can't learn, it's that it doesn't work for them. The jarring experience is just something a majority can't deal with. Not once did I say in my post that people can't use Windows 8.1, just that they don't want to. It's essentially you saying 'everyone get used to what I want because I like it that way'.
    TheCudder likes this.
    02-10-2015 07:30 PM
  20. mjrtoo's Avatar
    ​Windows is a mass market OS and needs to fit the needs of the majority. It isn't that they can't learn, it's that it doesn't work for them. The jarring experience is just something a majority can't deal with. Not once did I say in my post that people can't use Windows 8.1, just that they don't want to. It's essentially you saying 'everyone get used to what I want because I like it that way'.
    So what, I'm saying that I think they're ruining the experience, and you are saying you don't think so. And I don't believe it's a majority, it's the vocal minority causing the changes.
    02-10-2015 07:39 PM
  21. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    So what, I'm saying that I think they're ruining the experience, and you are saying you don't think so. And I don't believe it's a majority, it's the vocal minority causing the changes.
    ​What makes you think it's a minority?
    02-10-2015 07:59 PM
  22. Jazmac's Avatar
    How many whining post like these do we need in this forum? Dozens of post crying about the same thing over and over. smdh
    Sounds like there should be some kind of NDA signed saying that if you agree to install and help make the product better, you can't whine like you tried to cash a bogus check.
    02-10-2015 09:21 PM
  23. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Lmao. While I am not saying anything about his post i find it hilarious the hypocrisy people have about people whining...when they are whining about people whining lmao.
    Sent From Micah's Lumia 1520
    02-10-2015 11:01 PM
  24. Dhruvansh Soni's Avatar
    They should provide the option to revert back to the imo much prettier 8.1 start screen, and for Windows 7 users who didn't like it just keep the normal one in win 10. I personally never liked the start menu, and the start screen is my favourite. Hope they include that option.
    Mahdi Ghiasi likes this.
    02-11-2015 01:15 AM
  25. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    Lmao. While I am not saying anything about his post i find it hilarious the hypocrisy people have about people whining...when they are whining about people whining lmao.
    Sent From Micah's Lumia 1520
    Which ones do you consider whining, and which constructive criticism?
    02-11-2015 05:46 AM
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