Uhh would it be better to complain AFTER they are done and have no chance to fix these issues? The preview is for complaints and bug fixes. THIS is the time to complain not after it goes final.
Another release, another bad experience on tablets
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Uhh would it be better to complain AFTER they are done and have no chance to fix these issues? The preview is for complaints and bug fixes. THIS is the time to complain not after it goes final.
That's how I feel too and I plan to reserve my final opinion, but we do need to be giving specific feedback to MS now otherwise we can't really complain when it's released and we don't like it.
AndyCalling
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It is already clear that MS feel they went too far, too fast with Win8. We all know, even MS knows, that a more flexible OS with a real touch interface is a destination MS must reach. They just want to keep the legacy crowd in tow. They may have been too early with Win8 but since (and in no small part because of) the Win8 release the landscape has changed. It is too late to release a legacy OS alone, now. That's why I fully expect that before Win8's support cycle is up an upgrade path for modern interface users will become apparent. Let's call that Win11 (could be 12 of course, or Win Greek). Win10 is like WinME (in concept, let's hope not in execution). It's to give legacy SKU users a soft landing. No-one seriously considered 'upgrading' to ME from Win2K. It was for 98se users who weren't ready for 2K yet.
I will move when MS releases the next modern OS. I doubt they will wait too long to do that, they couldn't afford to. I expect it's already pretty well developed behind a curtain somewhere in the catacombs of MS Towers.
I will move when MS releases the next modern OS. I doubt they will wait too long to do that, they couldn't afford to. I expect it's already pretty well developed behind a curtain somewhere in the catacombs of MS Towers.
The indication from MS is that Windows 10 is a platform that will be around for quite a while and be upgraded over time through Windows Update a lot more aggressively and completely than previous versions. I.e. You get the feel that this is just 'Windows' and there might not be another distinct version for a long time.
Might as well get in now while the upgrade is free.
Why when it will be a huge downgrade for tablets? I'd rather use Win and switch to Win 10 when they get the touch mode worked out even if it means paying for Win 10
Jas00555
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By "in a few months", you mean almost half of a year from now. There is tons of time to tweak the UI. Just look at how much they've got done so far.
"full start screen is gone"
No, its not. That's a lie.
I have to agree with the OP and other comments about tablet productivity being completely wrecked so far with Win 10. I always jump on early, beta releases, to include Windows 8. And keep them until they go RTM. I put Windows 10 on my SP3, and by the next day I was back to 8.1. The gestures are shot, no charms bar (probably one of the best and most useful things ever added to any OS). IE without metro is painful to use for touch. And Spartan seems like it may be better for touch, but it won't be specifically built for it. Like another comment said, they changed everything just to stop the whiners about being confused on going from a full screen start menu to the desktop they were familiar with. Hit the damn windows key on your keyboard or click the windows icon in bottom left and just stay there. No more confusion.... geez. Was it really worth the total 360 being done for all the tablet friendly elements?
Pretty sure you mean a total 180 there, but anyway.. I agree with what you are saying. We're right back at worse than WIN7 right now. I started the hashtag #werebackwithXP on twitter
Yes, there's the registry hack in the TP, but rest assured it will be gone when W10 goes RTM
They removed the reg hack in the latest build, no way to get win 8 start screen back
Jas00555
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What are you two talking about? I've got a full start screen right now on my tablet. Are you referring to getting rid of the title bar?
I also have concerns about tablet mode or lack of it, even going to the Windows Feedback app shows most of peoples complaints are in regards to Desktop. There isn't even a specific Tablet category to provide feedback in and very few complaints about it anywhere else to show MS that there is a need for change.
It's not full screen with the taskbar stuck at the bottom or the desktop centered app list on the side. The current start menu is centered around desktop users and even maximized is not full screen and does not function on tablets as well as the full metro start screen of Win 8.1. Also scrolling up/down is not nearly as efficient as the left/right scrolling of Win 8.1
Having the startmenu go full screen by default when you select tablet mode is in no way the same as the start screen in WIN8.x
Have you even ever user WIN8.x?
Jas00555
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Yes, I've got it on every one of my devices including my desktop, Surface, and small tablet. I frankly don't see what you're complaining about as it seems pretty much the same to me.
Jas00555
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So because the taskbar is there, it doesn't count? That's an odd way to justify when its made for tablets. Either way, the tablet mode makes the taskbar work great. Just because they're not gigantic squares doesn't mean they're hard to touch.
I'm also not seeing how one way of scrolling is more or less efficient. I actually find up/down with the app list to the side to be more way more efficient than Windows 8.X.
Jas00555
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No, I seriously don't get what the complaining is about. Is it because its different? To me, Windows 10 already makes a lot more sense for tablets. One of the thing I appreciate is when I'm in tablet mode, Modern apps and desktop apps are treated almost equally. When I swipe from the side to get the current app list, I'm able to easily close desktop apps with just a tap as opposed to going to the desktop and having to hit the tiny X in the corner.
If you have anything constructive to say, besides "trolling" (which is against the site rules by the way (; ) then I'd be glad to hear why you think Windows 10 is bad on tablets. Really, the only thing I'm missing is a touch centric browser and I'd be good to go.
a5cent
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I have not yet used the W10 TP, so I have no idea what the problem is, but I too would appreciate a comprehensive explanation. I'm not trolling. Just asking.
Pretty sure you mean a total 180 there, but anyway.. I agree with what you are saying. We're right back at worse than WIN7 right now. I started the hashtag #werebackwithXP on twitter
Yeah, 180.....wasn't thinking. It'll be a 360 in two years when they realize they had a good tablet mode in Windows 8.1 and start reimplementing all the elements from it in Windows 12. Lol
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